that the health care bill wouldn't even pass own its own merit with 51 votes ....that's why student aid reform now will be attached to the health care bill...another political football as no democrats wants to be accussed of voting againt more student aid.

So Obama debated the republicans on C span and then went back to the "backroom deals".

As I understand it, the House has to pass the Senate version with all the previous back room deals in it plus student aid reform and then there is an agreement to amend the bill once it has passed????

Pitiful....

it won't pass

Americans want health care reform but they don't want this bill

I will be glad when SOMETHING passes so that changes can start taking place. The longer it gets postponed, the longer progress gets put off.

I will be ecstatic when this attempt to Communize our healthcare system AND put an onerous repayment burden ( 6.8% interest) on students when government is paying only 2.8% interest - that's a 4% spread that's gonna be a helluva slush fund to spread around to buy influence. I want this Democrat-only attempt to turn our healthcare system into something less than that of Zimbabwe's to die. It should never have gotten this far. Had it not been for Obama's malignant narcissistic insistence that it be done 'for Barack', it would have died long ago. I can only hope it dies now. REAL reform (like tort reform, sales of insurance across state lines, etc) can take place once this is dead and buried.

zimbabwe,,,lol,,,,ur funny



My mom had/has government insurance and I bet Zimbabwe would LOVE it.

oh no...say it ain't so...

"The administration is caught in a funding bind in large part because it made a miscalculation when it raised the ceiling for Pell grants to $5,300 from $4,800 last year as part of the stimulus bill. Combined with a surge in new Pell grant recipients, the higher ceiling has sharply driven up costs for the program, which has run a $19 billion deficit since 2008. An administration official said that about 800,000 more students than predicted have received Pell grants since last fall."

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/12/is-student-aid-bill-pelosis-ac

now that's a combination of efficiency....government run health care and student aid...

Backroom deals....OMG!!!! Our government would never do that

an interesting premise that I've run across a few times lately in op-eds and blogs

that the backroom deals are the only time that the legislature can get anything done. the premise being that video cameras on the floor of Congress (CSPAN etc) has reduced all Congressional debate and discussion to political posturing and sound bites for the cameras and the only time any progress is made is in the backrooms where there are no cameras

Now THAT I believe.

I agree but add that backroom deals have been a good/bad part of our Government for decades, cameras or not

If 'ObamaCare' ever sees the light of day, your Mom's not gonna keep the insurance she has now 'cuz the new rules won't allow it ... Zimbabwe doesn't know from insurance, so they wouldn't know if it was worthwhile or not. They'd also love whatever Rwanda or Chad have, too ...

Now the dems in the House are circulating something called the "Slaughter rule" so they actually won't have to vote for the bill that the Senate passed...so they can say they voted for the rule but not the bill.

This bill needs to DIE - take a good hard look at all the circumversion in the legislative process that is going on just to get it passed.

You realize that even if they pass this or any Health Care bill right now it wont take effect until 2012 or 2013 at the earliest?

Then in 2010 and 2012 the majority of the people who voted for the bill will be voted out of office by people who will kill it once they are in. Politics at its finest.

But Obama and all the peopple in Washington who supported this junk bill will get to keep their current insurance, tell me how that is fair :(

where in the bill does it say she wont keep the insurance, can you point me to it?...lol

Well, since you choose to let other people do your research for you, here's one answer ... you'll need to research the rest yourself ...


http://www.newsweek.com/id/212588

FACTCHECK.ORG

Will You Keep Your Insurance?

Despite Obama's claims, it's unlikely that everyone will be able to keep their current health care coverage under the current reform plan.

By Lori Robertson | factcheck.org | Aug 18, 2009

Summary 
President Obama has repeatedly said that under the health care overhaul efforts in Congress, "if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan." But he can't make that promise to everyone.

• In fact, under the House bill, some employers might have to modify plans after a five-year grace period if they don't meet minimum benefits standards.

• Furthermore, some firms are likely to buy different coverage for their workers than they have now, or simply drop coverage and pay a penalty instead, leaving workers to buy their own private coverage or go on a new federal insurance plan.

That's FactCheck.org's answer - but you can find more out there if you look ...

I'll just be glad when it's over one way or the other. There are far more pressing concerns that have been pushed under the rug by this inept administration..

From politifact.com

Karl Rove = Under a public health care option, 120 million Americans will "lose what they now get from private companies and be forced onto the government-run rolls as businesses decide it is more cost-effective for them to drop coverage." False

Rove, a Republican strategist, cites a study that actually says that many people would select the cheapest health insurance plan if given a choice. People would not be forced onto a government-run plan.


This is about PERSONAL selection, on the side of the employee and the employer. Yes, it is possible an employer may decide to change insurance or not offer it,but it is not LIKELY this would happen with the GOVERNMENTS own insurance....

I stated my mom is retired from a GOVERNMENT position, I doubt she is at risk of losing the excellent coverage she already has under her plan, the same coverage I believe the President wants EVERYONE to have access to.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. States are cutting "guaranteed" pensions and health care coverages. California is going to be the model for what comes next at the federal level. At some point the debts will have to be addressed and massive cuts will be forthcoming. If the eugenic lovers are still in power I will guarantee that the oldest recipients of "guaranteed" coverage will be thrown under the bus..