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Thu 03/11/10 06:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

Also see.....http://www.infowars.com/food-security-threat-goverment-set-to-ban-public-fishing-individual-food-production/


The Obama administration has ended public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing some of the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

AP/Luis M. Alvarez
One sign at the United We Fish rally at the Capital summed up the feelings of recreational and commercial fishermen. This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

Fishing industry insiders, who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force, had grown concerned that the public input would not be taken into account.

"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big-game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

"Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard-working American families and small businesses are being ignored.

"In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."

Unless more anglers speak up to their Congressional representatives so their input will be considered, it appears the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March. President Barack Obama then could possibly issue an Executive Order to implement its recommendations.

Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling. As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008.

What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper, according to Morlock.

In late summer, just after the administration created the task force, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.

Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias with their attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.

Also, recreational angling and commercial fishing have been lumped together as harmful to the resource, despite protests by the angling industry.

Morlock's evidence of collusion -- the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February.

On Feb. 12, the New York Times reported on that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."

Click here for archiveMorlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition again voiced their concerns to the administration.

"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.

"Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.

"With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.

"Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.

"We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."

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Thu 03/11/10 06:46 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Thu 03/11/10 06:48 PM
That's riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ... no more 'Andy 'n Opie' moments for you ... or anyone else. 'The ONE' has spoken. Praise Dear Comrade Leader (PBUH) ... remember the three magic phrases (soon this will be 'required learning') ...

War is Peace.

Freedom is Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength.

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 03/11/10 06:56 PM
And to think Obama has our best interests in mind! NOT.

Teditis's photo
Thu 03/11/10 06:58 PM
Oh, now see that hits close to home... fishing guide is my line of workmad

Thomas3474's photo
Thu 03/11/10 07:24 PM
Not only fishing but also home grown food.Since the government can't regulate this type of food it came be suspect to terrorism tampering and thus can't be trusted.No more growing your own food in your garden.It must have a Government stamp on it before you can eat it.I posted a second link that talks about the home grown food.

We only got three more years of Obama!By the time he is done with us we are going to be locked in some Government run white room,chained to a chair feeding us baby food.

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Thu 03/11/10 09:09 PM
Better hurry and put on your tin foil hats!

Buy gold!

Buy non genetically modified seeds!

Everything is collapsing!

laugh

markumX's photo
Thu 03/11/10 11:22 PM
who cares?

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/11/10 11:36 PM
lol,,,,lol,,,,,sigh

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Fri 03/12/10 02:02 PM

Not only fishing but also home grown food.Since the government can't regulate this type of food it came be suspect to terrorism tampering and thus can't be trusted.No more growing your own food in your garden.It must have a Government stamp on it before you can eat it.I posted a second link that talks about the home grown food.

We only got three more years of Obama!By the time he is done with us we are going to be locked in some Government run white room,chained to a chair feeding us baby food.



Thomas3474,

I understand your 'fundamentalist christian' dogma you adhere to, dictates that you and your 'comrades' show DISGUST and HATE for the current President of the United States. I understand that it is the 'party line', and that you must obey and uphold it, in order to remain a comrade yourself.

But aren't you starting to scrape the bottom of the 'revolt prone' barrel with this call for INDIGNATION against President Obama???

I mean we got it, you have no freedom in the matter, you must obide by your dogma, and blame President Obama for 'bad weather'! But apart from your comrades, do you really expect to 'indignate' a large proportion of the population with such a petty, personal and unfounded blaming and hateful game!?!?!


Teditis's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:05 PM

who cares?

I do... it's my livelihood, thanks for not caring.

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Fri 03/12/10 02:25 PM


who cares?

I do... it's my livelihood, thanks for not caring.


The issue is real and shouldn't be belittled.

But for the host to bring everything back to the President of the country, with an evident 'hidden agenda', demonstrates that it is he, using your very real issue as 'bait' (sorry for the pun) in his gratuitous hate campaign, WHOM DOESN'T CARE!!!

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:30 PM
Well, only FACTS I got from the OP concerning OBamas connection is action to prevent use of lead and 'overfishing',,,,doesnt sound so terribly unreasonable or unthoughtful....but I dont have all the details of these plans

Teditis's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:32 PM



who cares?

I do... it's my livelihood, thanks for not caring.


The issue is real and shouldn't be belittled.

But for the host to bring everything back to the President of the country, with an evident 'hidden agenda', demonstrates that it is he, using your very real issue as 'bait' (sorry for the pun) in his gratuitous hate campaign, WHOM DOESN'T CARE!!!

That's a fair point for you to make and I appreciate you making it for my understanding.
However, (and I speak humbly to you) it's not your job to clarify his statements, is it?

Teditis's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:43 PM

Well, only FACTS I got from the OP concerning OBamas connection is action to prevent use of lead and 'overfishing',,,,doesnt sound so terribly unreasonable or unthoughtful....but I dont have all the details of these plans

That's accurate too but I'm not the type of individual who sees some post on a blog and assumes it to be some kind of ultimate truth, in fact I tend to be skeptical if not cynical b/c of the source (not the OP, the venue)... for the record I personaly haven't jumped onto the "let's hate Obama bandwagon"... but I always get concerned when the Gov't starts tweaking things...
Personally, (on a secondarily lvl) I'm a tad bit offended that ppl would assume that I think that way... have I posted things that have led to that conclusion?

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Fri 03/12/10 02:44 PM




who cares?

I do... it's my livelihood, thanks for not caring.


The issue is real and shouldn't be belittled.

But for the host to bring everything back to the President of the country, with an evident 'hidden agenda', demonstrates that it is he, using your very real issue as 'bait' (sorry for the pun) in his gratuitous hate campaign, WHOM DOESN'T CARE!!!

That's a fair point for you to make and I appreciate you making it for my understanding.
However, (and I speak humbly to you) it's not your job to clarify his statements, is it?


You are quite right, I wasn't answering in lieu of the poster you are addressing.

Sorry for the confusion.


Teditis's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:47 PM





who cares?

I do... it's my livelihood, thanks for not caring.


The issue is real and shouldn't be belittled.

But for the host to bring everything back to the President of the country, with an evident 'hidden agenda', demonstrates that it is he, using your very real issue as 'bait' (sorry for the pun) in his gratuitous hate campaign, WHOM DOESN'T CARE!!!

That's a fair point for you to make and I appreciate you making it for my understanding.
However, (and I speak humbly to you) it's not your job to clarify his statements, is it?


You are quite right, I wasn't answering in lieu of the poster you are addressing.

Sorry for the confusion.



Peace & understanding, ty.

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/12/10 02:49 PM


Well, only FACTS I got from the OP concerning OBamas connection is action to prevent use of lead and 'overfishing',,,,doesnt sound so terribly unreasonable or unthoughtful....but I dont have all the details of these plans

That's accurate too but I'm not the type of individual who sees some post on a blog and assumes it to be some kind of ultimate truth, in fact I tend to be skeptical if not cynical b/c of the source (not the OP, the venue)... for the record I personaly haven't jumped onto the "let's hate Obama bandwagon"... but I always get concerned when the Gov't starts tweaking things...
Personally, (on a secondarily lvl) I'm a tad bit offended that ppl would assume that I think that way... have I posted things that have led to that conclusion?


I am not either, didnt mean to imply differently. I was only posting a VERY brief summary of how I read the OP as I was curious how that tied into the assumption that OBama is less than concerned with fishers.

Teditis's photo
Fri 03/12/10 03:01 PM
Edited by Teditis on Fri 03/12/10 03:07 PM



Well, only FACTS I got from the OP concerning OBamas connection is action to prevent use of lead and 'overfishing',,,,doesnt sound so terribly unreasonable or unthoughtful....but I dont have all the details of these plans

That's accurate too but I'm not the type of individual who sees some post on a blog and assumes it to be some kind of ultimate truth, in fact I tend to be skeptical if not cynical b/c of the source (not the OP, the venue)... for the record I personaly haven't jumped onto the "let's hate Obama bandwagon"... but I always get concerned when the Gov't starts tweaking things...
Personally, (on a secondarily lvl) I'm a tad bit offended that ppl would assume that I think that way... have I posted things that have led to that conclusion?


I am not either, didnt mean to imply differently. I was only posting a VERY brief summary of how I read the OP as I was curious how that tied into the assumption that OBama is less than concerned with fishers.

Well, I'm happy that you didn't intend to imply things differently. My post was vague at best... but I never directed anything at Pres. Obama, I made no "ties" to him at all. If a connection is made because the post heading includes Obama's name... just for the record, to me, Obama=Gov't not Obama=somebody all WASP's should hate... that ain't me.

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/12/10 03:17 PM




Well, only FACTS I got from the OP concerning OBamas connection is action to prevent use of lead and 'overfishing',,,,doesnt sound so terribly unreasonable or unthoughtful....but I dont have all the details of these plans

That's accurate too but I'm not the type of individual who sees some post on a blog and assumes it to be some kind of ultimate truth, in fact I tend to be skeptical if not cynical b/c of the source (not the OP, the venue)... for the record I personaly haven't jumped onto the "let's hate Obama bandwagon"... but I always get concerned when the Gov't starts tweaking things...
Personally, (on a secondarily lvl) I'm a tad bit offended that ppl would assume that I think that way... have I posted things that have led to that conclusion?


I am not either, didnt mean to imply differently. I was only posting a VERY brief summary of how I read the OP as I was curious how that tied into the assumption that OBama is less than concerned with fishers.

Well, I'm happy that you didn't intend to imply things differently. My post was vague at best... but I never directed anything at Pres. Obama, I made no "ties" to him at all. If a connection is made because the post heading includes Obama's name... just for the record, to me, Obama=Gov't not Obama=somebody all WASP's should hate... that ain't me.


well said. my post was to noone in specific and I agree with you one hundred percent.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 03/12/10 05:24 PM
Someday we will have to be conservative about our resources and overall environment. The over-fishing and the vast abuse of our ecosystem cannot continue, we can’t sustain at the current rate. We have 6 billion people on this small planet and beyond what we have is…nothing.

As far as economics businesses have to change…for example I worked for a major oil pump company. The CEO saw early on in the 90’s that the economy would have to change according to the environment’s resources. He diversified into other product lines…the company has been solid ever since. Smart. People need to learn to adapt to the environment than expect a profit from tearing it down.

"Water and air, the two essential fluids on which all life depends, have become global garbage cans."

— Jacques Cousteau

"Water Pollution Fact #1
40% of America's rivers are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.

Water Pollution Fact #2
Even worse are America's lakes—46% are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.


Water Pollution Fact #3
Two-thirds of US estuaries and bays are either moderately or severely degraded from eutrophication (nitrogen and phosphorus pollution).

Water Pollution Fact #4
The Mississippi River—which drains nearly 40% of the continental United States, including its central farm lands—carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico each year. The resulting hypoxic coastal dead zone in the Gulf each summer is about the size of Massachusetts.

Water Pollution Fact #5
1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, stormwater, and industrial waste are discharged into US waters annually. The US EPA has warned that sewage levels in rivers could be back to the super-polluted levels of the 1970s by the year 2016.

Water Pollution Fact #6
In any given year, about 25% of beaches in the US are under advisories or are closed at least one time because of water pollution

Water Pollution Fact #7
Asian rivers are the most polluted in the world. They have three times as many bacteria from human waste as the global average and 20 times more lead than rivers in industrialized countries.

Water Pollution Fact #8
In 2004, water from half of the tested sections of China's seven major rivers was found to be undrinkable because of pollution.

Water Pollution Fact #9
The quality of water in Europe's rivers and lakes used for swimming and water sports worsened between 2004 and 2005, with 10% of sites not meeting standards.

Water Pollution Fact #10
Slovakia has the lowest compliance with EU guidelines for freshwater areas, with only 22.4% of bathing sites meeting the standards.

Water Pollution Fact #11
Thirty percent of Ireland's rivers are polluted with sewage or fertilizer.

Water Pollution Fact #12
The Sarno is the most polluted river in Europe, featuring a nasty mix of sewage, untreated agricultural waste, industrial waste, and chemicals.

Water Pollution Fact #13
Greece has the cleanest coastal waters, followed by Spain and Germany. Lithuania and Estonia have the dirtiest coastal waters.

Water Pollution Fact #14
The King River is Australia's most polluted river, suffering from a severe acidic condition related to mining operations.

Water Pollution Fact #15
Pollution of freshwater (drinking water) is a problem for about half of the world's population. Each year there are about 250 million cases of water-related diseases, with roughly 5 to 10 million deaths.

Water Pollution Fact #16
Diseases caused by the ingestion of water contaminated with pathogenic bacteria, viruses, or parasites include:

•cholera
•typhoid
•schistosomiasis
•dysentery and other diarrheal diseases
Water Pollution Fact #17
Bangladesh has some of the most polluted groundwater in the world. In this case, the contaminant is arsenic, which occurs naturally in the sediments. Around 85% of the total area of the country has contaminated groundwater, with at least 1.2 million Bangladeshis exposed to arsenic poisoning and with millions more at risk.

Water Pollution Fact #18
Each year, plastic waste in water and coastal areas kills up to:

•100,000 marine mammals,
•1 million sea birds, and
•countless fish.
Water Pollution Fact #19
The world's seas are beset by a variety of water pollution problems. See the table below for 10 of the worst areas."

http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/07-26/water-pollution-facts-article.htm


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