Topic: OBAMA EXPECTED TO REVERSE HIS DECISION ON MILITARY TRIBUNALS
msharmony's photo
Tue 03/09/10 09:05 AM

i find this very uncredible a) it came from fox
B) either the poster or the article states the photo is that of khalid sheik mohammad when that's actually a photoshopped pic of bin laden
C) why should they get military trials with no rights when the military has a track record of locking away ppl with no evidence , we're not officially at war with anybody, and 9 11 if you actually believe terrorists were really involved but that's a whole other issue, was a CRIME not an act of war. should the military try americans that get speeding tickets too?
And please...daniel pearl? that video looks so fake and although the tragedy that he died is sad and i dont agree with it...he was still in a war zone tresspassing in another country...a white person has the right to stroll down harlem or compton but most don't right?


a) even a broken watch is accurate twice a day, though I usually view fox commentaries to be slanted and near ridiculous, it doesn't mean their information is always false

b)I agree, that picture looks an AWFUL lot like pictures I have seen of Bin Laden, but Im not sure if it is photoshopped or not

c) I am in agreement that it matters little what type of 'trial' occurs so long as the law is followed and justice is served on all sides. I also think , even though 9/11 was an act of terrible consequence, no war was actually declared upon us (not by legal definition anyhow, which requires a nation to declare war upon a nation). I think we needed to respond but not in the manner which we did.

d) As far as Daniel Pearl, we have to disagree on this. I do believe it was a real beheading and I think that is an awful way to die. Yes, we must be careful where we tread but if someone were to walk in a high crime area and be killed, it would still be a crime in the eyes of the law. That being said, death is death and everyone is mourned by someone. We are not without responsibility for the deaths of many people in our own history and whether someone dies headless or gassed, or burned, or so disassembled that the parts cant even be put back together, or have ann open casket,,,,HOWEVER horrible way people die during 'national arguments' , someone is mourning them and it is unfortunate whenever they are people who had nothing to do with the argument in the first place.

markumX's photo
Tue 03/09/10 01:31 PM


lol i didnt condone it i just dont think it's real.. and wouldnt call it an atrocity and if i'm off topic so are you. daniel pearl has nothing to do with obama....and my apologies about the photo still that's not KSM


YOU ARE SO VERY WRONG ABOUT THE PICTURE.....OH, WELL......

Beheading someone is an atrocity.............

This thread, KINDLY re-read the first post........is about obama considering switching the trial of the 9/11 /terrorists/plotters to a military trubunal.............

Daniel Pearl was beheaded by terrorists.............



ummm..no i am not wrong about the picture. the picture is osama bin laden not KSM..if you don't believe me google it

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/09/10 01:45 PM

lol i didnt condone it i just dont think it's real.. and wouldnt call it an atrocity and if i'm off topic so are you. daniel pearl has nothing to do with obama....and my apologies about the photo still that's not KSM


Yeah, I browsed through several photos of Khalid, and you are right, that pic looks nothing like him but ALOT like Osama

InvictusV's photo
Tue 03/09/10 02:51 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/09/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-photos


the above.. is a link that has the KSM 2003 photo and the 2009 photo..

the article states that KSM's family released the new picture..

its not al jazeera or the pali telegraph, but...

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/09/10 04:23 PM
Considering that the OP is completely invalid to any concern at all the pic being wrong would be of no consequence to who wrote it.

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 03/09/10 05:12 PM
You have to be pretty arrogant and stupid not to believe a terrorist would behead anyone who is their enemy.They kill women and children on a daily basis so I find it hard to believe they would find beheading a Jew or a Christian from the United states or Israel or anyone else who gets in their way morally objectionable.

Pictures say a little but videos show a whole lot more.You can watch the beheading from start to finish and draw your own conclusion.Video is very gruesome so watch at own risk.


http://www.angelfire.com/ill/haiter/

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/09/10 05:17 PM
There are gruesome videos of Americans doing awful things too. Makes no difference to this discussion nor the invalidity of the OP.

Lindyy's photo
Tue 03/09/10 05:52 PM



lol i didnt condone it i just dont think it's real.. and wouldnt call it an atrocity and if i'm off topic so are you. daniel pearl has nothing to do with obama....and my apologies about the photo still that's not KSM


YOU ARE SO VERY WRONG ABOUT THE PICTURE.....OH, WELL......

Beheading someone is an atrocity.............

This thread, KINDLY re-read the first post........is about obama considering switching the trial of the 9/11 /terrorists/plotters to a military trubunal.............

Daniel Pearl was beheaded by terrorists.............



ummm..no i am not wrong about the picture. the picture is osama bin laden not KSM..if you don't believe me google it


READ THE ORIGINAL POST.........I DO BELIEVE THE AP KNOWS MORE THAN YOU.


Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/09/10 05:58 PM
slaphead rofl

Lindyy's photo
Tue 03/09/10 06:51 PM


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/04/obama-aides-recom



Photo purporting to show Khalid Sheik Mohammed in detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. (AP)


Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
By William Lee Adams, Eben Harrell and Tara Kelly Friday, Nov. 13, 2009






Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the self-proclaimed mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. Born in Kuwait to parents from Pakistan, he has admitted, the Pentagon alleges, responsibility "from A to Z" for the attacks in New York City and Washington. In addition, Mohammed reportedly told a legal hearing that in 2002 he personally decapitated kidnapped U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl. Captured in Pakistan in March 2003, Mohammed has been subjected to harsh interrogation techniques during his questioning. He and four other alleged 9/11 plotters will now be transferred to the U.S. and tried in New York City.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1939309_1939306,00.html#ixzz0hjnGRTjh




PICTURES OF OSAMA BIN LADEN:










THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO (2) MALES IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS.

BUT...........WHAT REALLY DISTURBS ME IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL ON THIS THREAD REFERS TO OSAMA BIN LADEN AS "OSAMA"................MAKES ONE WONDER IF THAT INDIVIDUAL IS CLOSELY RELATED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION TO BIN LADEN AS, IN GENERAL, PEOPLE ONLY REFER TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS BY THEIR FIRST NAME IF THEY ARE ON A SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR BASIS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL...........


msharmony's photo
Tue 03/09/10 10:37 PM
using first names in a thread where the full name is already mentioned is cause for distress?,,,,,,hmmmmmhuh

these threads could stand to lighten up on times

markumX's photo
Tue 03/09/10 11:24 PM
You posted one correct photo of KSM..the second which may i add was taken after he was captured. You can clearly see the differences in the nose structure but more importantly, how could anyone grow a beard of that length and thickness in just a few years. The first is clearly that of Sheik bin Laden. btw if you're going to insinuate that just because i'm an arab muslim that i'm a terrorist go ahead and say my name instead of "someone on this thread".
thanks and peace

markumX's photo
Tue 03/09/10 11:26 PM

You have to be pretty arrogant and stupid not to believe a terrorist would behead anyone who is their enemy.They kill women and children on a daily basis so I find it hard to believe they would find beheading a Jew or a Christian from the United states or Israel or anyone else who gets in their way morally objectionable.

Pictures say a little but videos show a whole lot more.You can watch the beheading from start to finish and draw your own conclusion.Video is very gruesome so watch at own risk.


http://www.angelfire.com/ill/haiter/


please provide your proof of this occurring on an everyday basis.

Lindyy's photo
Wed 03/10/10 12:18 AM
Edited by Lindyy on Wed 03/10/10 12:22 AM

You posted one correct photo of KSM..the second which may i add was taken after he was captured. You can clearly see the differences in the nose structure but more importantly, how could anyone grow a beard of that length and thickness in just a few years. The first is clearly that of Sheik bin Laden. btw if you're going to insinuate that just because i'm an arab muslim that i'm a terrorist go ahead and say my name instead of "someone on this thread".
thanks and peace



rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Had no idea what religious affiliation you were till now.....

ALL the pictures are accurate................like it or not......

You just do not want to believe the truth thrown right in your face....UNBELIEVABLEslaphead

But your attitude certainly does not surprise me..........so SAD....

Lindyy's photo
Wed 03/10/10 12:21 AM


You have to be pretty arrogant and stupid not to believe a terrorist would behead anyone who is their enemy.They kill women and children on a daily basis so I find it hard to believe they would find beheading a Jew or a Christian from the United states or Israel or anyone else who gets in their way morally objectionable.

Pictures say a little but videos show a whole lot more.You can watch the beheading from start to finish and draw your own conclusion.Video is very gruesome so watch at own risk.


http://www.angelfire.com/ill/haiter/


please provide your proof of this occurring on an everyday basis.


Why do you defend the terrorists?what whoa sad2 spock

markumX's photo
Wed 03/10/10 02:42 AM
the same reason you support the terrorism of both america and israel, however i don't support terrorists, i support freedom fighters....and how is the truth thrown in my face? i told you facts. All but one of your pictures are that Osama Bin Laden but this debate's getting old and irrelevant to the topic.

daniel48706's photo
Wed 03/10/10 10:03 AM
Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

Some definitions also include acts of unlawful violence and war.


That is an excerpt from wikipedia online. By that definition, anyone who is being tried as a terrorist, or for terrorism related issues, needs to be tried by a military tribunal, not a civilian court, as terrorism is directed towards non-combatants (non-military).

If I broke a civilian law while I was in the Army, I would be tried and punished through a civilian court. If I broke a military law, or did something that involved the military, then I would be tried and punished under UCMJ (Uniform Code of MILITARY Justice).

in regards to a non-American being tried in military tribunal or civilian court and receiving the same benefits as an American citizen, I disagree vehemently. Certain HUMAN rights, yes, but not AMERICAN rights.

daniel48706's photo
Wed 03/10/10 10:07 AM
no war was actually declared upon us (not by legal definition anyhow, which requires a nation to declare war upon a nation). I think we needed to respond but not in the manner which we did.



You do not have to stand up and verbally declare war in order to declare war. Look back to Pearl Harbor. When japan attacked us, it was considered an act of war, even though they attacked PRIOR to verbally declaring war. This is but one example. Do you need someone to stand there and TELL you that they are going to hit you before they hit you, for it to be considered an assault?

no photo
Wed 03/10/10 10:16 AM
Who effin' cares ... ? Time for him to die. Only after a 'fair trial', tho' - you know, like the one they gave to Daniel Perl ... if KSM is lookin' for 'sympathy', it's in the dictionary between 'shiiit' and 'syphilis' ...

markumX's photo
Wed 03/10/10 03:02 PM

Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

Some definitions also include acts of unlawful violence and war.


That is an excerpt from wikipedia online. By that definition, anyone who is being tried as a terrorist, or for terrorism related issues, needs to be tried by a military tribunal, not a civilian court, as terrorism is directed towards non-combatants (non-military).

If I broke a civilian law while I was in the Army, I would be tried and punished through a civilian court. If I broke a military law, or did something that involved the military, then I would be tried and punished under UCMJ (Uniform Code of MILITARY Justice).

in regards to a non-American being tried in military tribunal or civilian court and receiving the same benefits as an American citizen, I disagree vehemently. Certain HUMAN rights, yes, but not AMERICAN rights.


then please explain to me why the soldier that raped a 14 year old iraqi and murdered her family in cold blood was tried in a civilian court and not a military court. Bush's explanation was..."he wasn't in the military when the charges were brought against him" so...it's ok to try criminals that are middle eastern in military courts but not US soldiers? Might i add...this guy got off for his crime.