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Edited by
CowboyGH
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I love OBamas eloquence and intelligence. Faith and works are supposed to be a choice, even in the Bible. It cannot not be politically enforced but political values and biblical values can often coincide. We do still proclaim to be a nation under God so from a faith perspective we should honor his word if we expect his blessings,,but that is an individual decision and not a government one. It is a decision which a majority of individuals can support or refuse, which is the beauty of choice , democracy, and faith. There is not one of Gods laws which conflicts with mans laws but many of mans have conflicted with Gods. I hope for people everywhere to be blessed and in the end, our works (whether we attribute them to politics, religion, or some 'common good') will dictate our 'consequences'. WOW!!! 'msharmony, talk of an ideological 'tug-of-war'!!! This planet, and the human race, among other phenomenons living upon it, are not going to survive 'bible-in-errancy-christian-fundamentalist' SUPREMACY!!! We will live by 'UNIVERSAL' (not biblical in-errant exclusive) values, and yes, 'love your neighbor as you would yourself' is one of those, but so are some Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, and non-religious universal statements and values of predilection. Aye Universal. So here is one. This is my Mecca. Wherever I go, God is with me. amen God is with us always everywhere we go. If you're doin bad, God is their but it's more of him sitting their shaking his head full of tears. Doing good, God is right there with a smile helping you along and making it that much more producefull whatever it is you're doing at the time. People would like to think God stays in the churches. Yes he is there, but people don't tend to think that God is also with them at the bar acting like a fool, God is there again with tears in his eyes. That is what our conscence is. That is God letting you know whatever action you are doing is wrong and should not do that. God is in us all. |
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funny thomas you portray yourself to be this great christian yet you yourself post some of the most hateful rhetoric towards people that don't think as you do. I greatly appreciate Thomas's honesty. Obama's words here point us in the direction of mature and intelligent discourse. |
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http://standardspeaker.com/opinion/letters/one-nation-under-god-or-one-under-the-siege-of-greed-1.640153?localLinksEnabled=false
I thought this was an interesting take on it. |
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http://standardspeaker.com/opinion/letters/one-nation-under-god-or-one-under-the-siege-of-greed-1.640153?localLinksEnabled=false I thought this was an interesting take on it. 
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Hi, Robin.
You know after reading that article the one thing that bothered me was that I like Hershey's chocolate. 
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Christianity: (78.5%) Protestantism (51.3%) Roman Catholicism (23.9%) Mormonism (1.7%) Jehovah's Witnesses (0.7%) Orthodox Church (0.6%) other Christian (0.3%) Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%) Judaism (1.7%) Buddhist (0.7%) Islam (0.6%) Hinduism (0.4%) other (1.2%) Those stats are utterly meaningless, not to mention being totally incorrect even on a technical basis. The vast majority of the public have been brainwashed to check "Christian" as their religious affilation even when in truth, they have no clue what's actually in the religious doctrine they claim to be affiliated with. All they "know" is that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their "savior" and they are being good little followers to support that ideal. 
The stats are virtually meaningless. All they show is how easily people can be brainwashed to follow the crowd and do what they've been taught to believe even though they truly have no frigg'in clue what it is that they are actually supporting. |
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Christianity: (78.5%) Protestantism (51.3%) Roman Catholicism (23.9%) Mormonism (1.7%) Jehovah's Witnesses (0.7%) Orthodox Church (0.6%) other Christian (0.3%) Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%) Judaism (1.7%) Buddhist (0.7%) Islam (0.6%) Hinduism (0.4%) other (1.2%) Those stats are utterly meaningless, not to mention being totally incorrect even on a technical basis. The vast majority of the public have been brainwashed to check "Christian" as their religious affilation even when in truth, they have no clue what's actually in the religious doctrine they claim to be affiliated with. All they "know" is that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their "savior" and they are being good little followers to support that ideal.
The stats are virtually meaningless. All they show is how easily people can be brainwashed to follow the crowd and do what they've been taught to believe even though they truly have no frigg'in clue what it is that they are actually supporting. does this mean most republicans arent really republicans and most dems arent really dems  THIS IS GOING TO SERIOUSLY DISRUPT OUR POLITICAL DEBATES.....
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does this mean most republicans arent really republicans and most dems arent really dems THIS IS GOING TO SERIOUSLY DISRUPT OUR POLITICAL DEBATES.....
Actually there's a lot of truth to that too. 
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Edited by
MiddleEarthling
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Sat 03/06/10 08:49 PM
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Christianity: (78.5%) Protestantism (51.3%) Roman Catholicism (23.9%) Mormonism (1.7%) Jehovah's Witnesses (0.7%) Orthodox Church (0.6%) other Christian (0.3%) Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%) Judaism (1.7%) Buddhist (0.7%) Islam (0.6%) Hinduism (0.4%) other (1.2%) Those stats are utterly meaningless, not to mention being totally incorrect even on a technical basis. The vast majority of the public have been brainwashed to check "Christian" as their religious affilation even when in truth, they have no clue what's actually in the religious doctrine they claim to be affiliated with. All they "know" is that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their "savior" and they are being good little followers to support that ideal.
The stats are virtually meaningless. All they show is how easily people can be brainwashed to follow the crowd and do what they've been taught to believe even though they truly have no frigg'in clue what it is that they are actually supporting. I would agree with that for the most part...let's look at it this way. How many in Americans do not believe in evolution? ...perhaps a better way of seeing how many are "religious" This graph indicates about a little less than 40%....who do not believe in evolution. So there's the number and the "not sure" people probably should not count...  I realize there are some who are religious and believe in evolution but not that many probably.
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Christianity: (78.5%) Protestantism (51.3%) Roman Catholicism (23.9%) Mormonism (1.7%) Jehovah's Witnesses (0.7%) Orthodox Church (0.6%) other Christian (0.3%) Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%) Judaism (1.7%) Buddhist (0.7%) Islam (0.6%) Hinduism (0.4%) other (1.2%) Those stats are utterly meaningless, not to mention being totally incorrect even on a technical basis. The vast majority of the public have been brainwashed to check "Christian" as their religious affilation even when in truth, they have no clue what's actually in the religious doctrine they claim to be affiliated with. All they "know" is that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their "savior" and they are being good little followers to support that ideal.
The stats are virtually meaningless. All they show is how easily people can be brainwashed to follow the crowd and do what they've been taught to believe even though they truly have no frigg'in clue what it is that they are actually supporting. I would agree with that for the most part...let's look at it this way. How many in Americans do not believe in evolution? ...perhaps a better way of seeing how many are "religious" This graph indicates about a little less than 40%....who do not believe in evolution. So there's the number and the "not sure" people probably should not count... I realize there are some who are religious and believe in evolution but not that many probably.
I dont know why you assume not many can believe in evolution AND God (or religion). Except, in so far as many dont truly really know what evolution is. So even the question of how many believe in evolution would be no more or less valid than the question of how many are religious. |
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well thats because scientists only accept science and alot of christians believe the earth is only 5000 years old which is nutty. i dont see how one cant accept both let alone claim proof on the other. in the quran there is acceptance of both and many basic priciples of science were revealed almost 500 years before they were discovered..this is where i get my faith that there is a higher power..just look past the manmade dogmas
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 03/09/10 09:16 AM
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well thats because scientists only accept science and alot of christians believe the earth is only 5000 years old which is nutty. i dont see how one cant accept both let alone claim proof on the other. in the quran there is acceptance of both and many basic priciples of science were revealed almost 500 years before they were discovered..this is where i get my faith that there is a higher power..just look past the manmade dogmas there are religious scientists as well, and you are right, I dont know where (In KJB anyway) it says how OLD the earth is to even compare it to scientists estimates. It makes sense to me that alot of the things Scientists discover are that way because GOD made it so. There is no conflict of the two with me. The only conflicts I have are 1. with the BIG BANG theory, which to be honest, takes just as much FAITH to believe as it does to BELIEVE in God. and 2. The theory that all of this life is JUST some cosmic occurrence of coincidences and accidents. I DEFINITELY feel intelligent design is a much more logical explanation than that. |
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