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Well please excuse my choice of wording.
But now that you do understand my question. What YOUR opinions as to the coaches who OUR ABLE to be in the locker rooms with their players or students,,and able to view them NAKED??? Those being openly gay and with the same sex students? I'll put it this way.... If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? Hurray, hurray. Being good at their job is what matters! I hated the group showers in high school, hated them to the point of skipping PE and failing even though I excelled on the trampoline and could jump my height in the standing high jump. I was however bad at most all the rest - last picked for any team and all of that jazz...but the public showers were the worst, let's just say that at a skinny dipping pool party I was grossly over dressed in my swim suit (this is true) So who cares what sex or sexual preference the coach is/has. If they do the job well and teach us with encouragement and skill...we should praise them. This makes me think back to when only whites could teach whites etc etc etc ad nusieum... |
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Well please excuse my choice of wording.
But now that you do understand my question. What YOUR opinions as to the coaches who OUR ABLE to be in the locker rooms with their players or students,,and able to view them NAKED??? Those being openly gay and with the same sex students? I'll put it this way.... If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? ITS not a FEAR,,it is SOMETHING we have ALWAYS DID HERE...in the US. WE never found it PROPER to allow a man to watch out batheing children in our schools,,,,CORRECT? Nor the boys have a woman watching them bathe.... BUT NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS OVER-LOOKING this issue as ITS NOT THERE....yet it lives even MORE present,,,as its just over-looked NOW. THIS whole thing and my question is related solely to the issue of WE NEVER ALLOWED THIS BEFORE,,,with people who we seen and knew to be MALE,,or seen and knew to be female,,,so WHY NOW,,do we THINK different as to I am sorry,,,BUT,,IF you a dude and your able to see naked women,,YOU will LOOK and it will have SOME thought of as sex in anyones far thought reasoning....NO your NOT going to get all excited,,although many I think might,lol,But I am saying YOUR brain will see a object of your sexual liking nude before you.. SO being GAY,,,WILL NOT STOP that inner viewing THEM as THEIR sexual objects,,CORRECT? But yet we don't and haven't addressed this issue in society??? |
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Being gay isn't anything new. Just because people are more open to stating their sexual preference, I don't think that changes anything. I'm sure there are equal amounts of lesbian/gay PE teachers now as there were 30 years ago (although it's a stigma attached sometimes unwarranted). I wouldn't view a 16 year old boy naked and be stimulated (there's the morality you are talking about) and I wouldn't expect a lesbian teacher to view my child as such either, unless she was attracted to children, otherwise known as a pedophile. I'm just not sure where you are going with this.
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I'll put it this way....
If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? ITS not a FEAR,,it is SOMETHING we have ALWAYS DID HERE...in the US.
WE never found it PROPER to allow a man to watch out batheing children in our schools,,,,CORRECT? Nor the boys have a woman watching them bathe.... BUT NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS OVER-LOOKING this issue as ITS NOT THERE....yet it lives even MORE present,,,as its just over-looked NOW. THIS whole thing and my question is related solely to the issue of WE NEVER ALLOWED THIS BEFORE,,,with people who we seen and knew to be MALE,,or seen and knew to be female,,,so WHY NOW,,do we THINK different as to I am sorry,,,BUT,,IF you a dude and your able to see naked women,,YOU will LOOK and it will have SOME thought of as sex in anyones far thought reasoning....NO your NOT going to get all excited,,although many I think might,lol,But I am saying YOUR brain will see a object of your sexual liking nude before you.. SO being GAY,,,WILL NOT STOP that inner viewing THEM as THEIR sexual objects,,CORRECT? But yet we don't and haven't addressed this issue in society??? I must be missing something here. Should we now allow a male ( as long as he is openly gay ) in a female locker room since he wouldn't have the " normal " thoughts when seeing naked females?? As far as I am concerned...what someone " thinks " isn't a concern to me. Now, if that person were to ACT on those thoughts, it would be an entirely different story. We recently had a case here of a teacher/football coach that got a 14 year old female student pregnant. He ACTED on the thoughts he had, and took advantage of a young girl. THAT is when there is a pretty serious problem. |
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Gay
straight bi what reason does anyone have for even caring or hating? Is it the sexual part? If it's not in my bed ~~really it's none of my biz! Is it the lifestyle in general~~? Why would it bother anyone except the bible thumpers and in my humble opinion they are also children of god!! 
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I'll put it this way....
If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? ITS not a FEAR,,it is SOMETHING we have ALWAYS DID HERE...in the US.
WE never found it PROPER to allow a man to watch out batheing children in our schools,,,,CORRECT? Nor the boys have a woman watching them bathe.... BUT NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS OVER-LOOKING this issue as ITS NOT THERE....yet it lives even MORE present,,,as its just over-looked NOW. THIS whole thing and my question is related solely to the issue of WE NEVER ALLOWED THIS BEFORE,,,with people who we seen and knew to be MALE,,or seen and knew to be female,,,so WHY NOW,,do we THINK different as to I am sorry,,,BUT,,IF you a dude and your able to see naked women,,YOU will LOOK and it will have SOME thought of as sex in anyones far thought reasoning....NO your NOT going to get all excited,,although many I think might,lol,But I am saying YOUR brain will see a object of your sexual liking nude before you.. SO being GAY,,,WILL NOT STOP that inner viewing THEM as THEIR sexual objects,,CORRECT? But yet we don't and haven't addressed this issue in society??? I must be missing something here. Should we now allow a male ( as long as he is openly gay ) in a female locker room since he wouldn't have the " normal " thoughts when seeing naked females?? As far as I am concerned...what someone " thinks " isn't a concern to me. Now, if that person were to ACT on those thoughts, it would be an entirely different story. We recently had a case here of a teacher/football coach that got a 14 year old female student pregnant. He ACTED on the thoughts he had, and took advantage of a young girl. THAT is when there is a pretty serious problem. What can't you see that I am trying to view other-wise. If for all of my life THEY,parents teachers school boards have all agreed that it was morally unexceptible for a men to teach girls gym classes and females to teach boys gym classes,,as THAT WAS SEEN BY THEM as inmoral to do.. YET NOW,,,,a man who is admited gay,,they find him being able to coach a boys gym class,,and its NOT his abilities at coaching we are discussing but IF,,,,I say IF he is allowed to see boys naked. OR,,a woman see her gym class girls naked... Because THERE can be no other way for THEM BOTH to see their students NOW,,as them liking their same sex...that they view them in some form of sexual over-tures .. THIS same way that we have ALWAYS knew man over girls gym class was wrong to do as well as women over a boys gym class would be seen as wrong. YET,,this is completely over-looked yet THEY felt the need to bring out their sexual likes, or prefrence... SO it seems WE HAVE LOST ANY CARE IN THAT MANNER,,so a man seeing his class of girls naked now,,at ANY AGE,,,IS COOL to see for YOU? Because THAT is what your saying,,,as long as HE or SHE doesn't ACT on their feelings,, where WE have always NOT LET THE CHANCE TO HAVE AN ACT OF FEELINGS SHOW BEFORE. |
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And, now that I think about it...I ran track in high school and my coach was a man. yep me too and mine too.... You ran track? What did you run? 
100 yd dash and second leg in the relay...coach wanted me to do hurdles..my legs were too short and still are.. 
low hurdles here, dad wouldn't let me go high hurdles. I hate running though. LOL! |
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Ok I get what (((T))) is asking here. I am in no way gay bashing either. I have a gay daughter. When I was in school in junior high and high school we only had female gym teachers for the girls and male gym teachers for the boys. Later on in high school males started coahing girls but were not allowed in the locker rooms. They had a woman assistant for that. They used to stand outside the shower room, our gym teachers and hand us towels as we all paraded on by naked. I always hated that part and the fact that we all had to shower together in one big room. No privacey what so ever. I believe what T was asking is, if the gym teacher was gay- should we allow them to be able to be in the locker rooms where students of the same sex are. My answer is no they should'nt be allowed to do that. I am not saying they are molesters or rapist. It just does'nt seem right to me. It would be like letting a male gym teacher that is straight stand there and observe naked female students, or a female gym teacher that is straight stand there and observe naked male students. It would be not proper. IMO 
OMG,,,Miss Teddy,,,THANK YOU,,,you said all that this post was,,and what I am and was asking,,,THANK you for viewing its content w/o being predigest to ones first thoughts reading it..
Its more the moral views the public has ALWAYS had that NOW seems to be MISSING in thoughts because our their sexualilty expressions. In full agreement here |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Sun 02/07/10 10:17 PM
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The mis-conception here is that gays are molesters.... 
My PE coach was a man and all of my sporting coaches were men. Okay I just remembered my dance coach and my gymnastic coach were women but all other coaches were men. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 02/07/10 10:34 PM
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OK,,lets lite-up the forums,lol Homosexuality, they have passed many new laws that makes it illegal to discriminate against them for all-most ANYTHING. Recently it in our armed forces.. NOW,,let me just ask for all of your opinions on my topic here. WHICH IS,,lol Do YOU feel its right for your son to have a gay P.E. COACH? OR your daughter to have a gay P.E. COACH? See, its VIEWED that YOU cannot be a man and coach a girls sports team,,as YOU get to see them all in the showers. And the SAME for a lady coach of a boys sports team. WHY should it NOW be viewed or seen as ANYTHING DIFFERENT? If the coach is GAY,,then HE or SHE is attracted to THAT SAME SEX,,CORRECT? Then why do we STILL close our EYES to this and KNOW THATS WRONG? What are your views on this?? This is NOT anything against homosexuals, it is a question that our society has over-looked as to just being REAL with individuals sexual orientation, and what we have ALWAYS felt was right or wrong to do in our schools and lives really.. I agree, in mandated private situations that involve potential nudity,, like showers, dorm rooms, barracks etc.....noone should be forced to be in a situation where possible ogling might occur. The same that a female should be able to CHOOSE not to have a male roomate she should be able to CHOOSE not to have a roommate that is female attracted to females. Of course, if there is never any indication of what one is attracted to,, ignorance can be bliss and the situation is not nearly as much a discomfort. If a coaches privileges dont include shower rooms,, than it doesnt matter. If it does,, than it matters quite a bit. |
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I had gym teachers/coaches of both genders. From grade school all the way up and various afterschool activities- they never entered the locker rooms. They would tell us what they had planned for the class or lesson that day then send us in, giving us a time when we were expected to be out and ready to go.
It shouldn't matter what sexuality you are. Because really when you get down to it if some teacher/coach decided to touch a student it's wrong. |
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Well please excuse my choice of wording.
But now that you do understand my question. What YOUR opinions as to the coaches who OUR ABLE to be in the locker rooms with their players or students,,and able to view them NAKED??? Those being openly gay and with the same sex students? I'll put it this way.... If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? I think gender and race are quite different issues. I would have a problem with a WOMAN in my sons locker room , whether she acted inappropriately or not because she just wouldnt belong there. Anyone who had an attraction to males wouldnt belong in a situation where males were nude(unless those males shared the attraction). Hurray, hurray. Being good at their job is what matters! I hated the group showers in high school, hated them to the point of skipping PE and failing even though I excelled on the trampoline and could jump my height in the standing high jump. I was however bad at most all the rest - last picked for any team and all of that jazz...but the public showers were the worst, let's just say that at a skinny dipping pool party I was grossly over dressed in my swim suit (this is true) So who cares what sex or sexual preference the coach is/has. If they do the job well and teach us with encouragement and skill...we should praise them. This makes me think back to when only whites could teach whites etc etc etc ad nusieum... |
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I'll put it this way....
If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? ITS not a FEAR,,it is SOMETHING we have ALWAYS DID HERE...in the US.
WE never found it PROPER to allow a man to watch out batheing children in our schools,,,,CORRECT? Nor the boys have a woman watching them bathe.... BUT NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS OVER-LOOKING this issue as ITS NOT THERE....yet it lives even MORE present,,,as its just over-looked NOW. THIS whole thing and my question is related solely to the issue of WE NEVER ALLOWED THIS BEFORE,,,with people who we seen and knew to be MALE,,or seen and knew to be female,,,so WHY NOW,,do we THINK different as to I am sorry,,,BUT,,IF you a dude and your able to see naked women,,YOU will LOOK and it will have SOME thought of as sex in anyones far thought reasoning....NO your NOT going to get all excited,,although many I think might,lol,But I am saying YOUR brain will see a object of your sexual liking nude before you.. SO being GAY,,,WILL NOT STOP that inner viewing THEM as THEIR sexual objects,,CORRECT? But yet we don't and haven't addressed this issue in society??? I must be missing something here. Should we now allow a male ( as long as he is openly gay ) in a female locker room since he wouldn't have the " normal " thoughts when seeing naked females?? As far as I am concerned...what someone " thinks " isn't a concern to me. Now, if that person were to ACT on those thoughts, it would be an entirely different story. We recently had a case here of a teacher/football coach that got a 14 year old female student pregnant. He ACTED on the thoughts he had, and took advantage of a young girl. THAT is when there is a pretty serious problem. My personal answer is ,,yes,, if a male were homosexual it would be different. I would prefer a homosexual male to view my daughter than a gay female or a straight male. |
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I'll put it this way....
If the coach is good at what he/she does....why would their sexual orientation matter?? AS long as there are no accusations of them doing anything outside the boundaries of being the coach, then why fear them being in the locker room? ITS not a FEAR,,it is SOMETHING we have ALWAYS DID HERE...in the US.
WE never found it PROPER to allow a man to watch out batheing children in our schools,,,,CORRECT? Nor the boys have a woman watching them bathe.... BUT NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS OVER-LOOKING this issue as ITS NOT THERE....yet it lives even MORE present,,,as its just over-looked NOW. THIS whole thing and my question is related solely to the issue of WE NEVER ALLOWED THIS BEFORE,,,with people who we seen and knew to be MALE,,or seen and knew to be female,,,so WHY NOW,,do we THINK different as to I am sorry,,,BUT,,IF you a dude and your able to see naked women,,YOU will LOOK and it will have SOME thought of as sex in anyones far thought reasoning....NO your NOT going to get all excited,,although many I think might,lol,But I am saying YOUR brain will see a object of your sexual liking nude before you.. SO being GAY,,,WILL NOT STOP that inner viewing THEM as THEIR sexual objects,,CORRECT? But yet we don't and haven't addressed this issue in society??? I must be missing something here. Should we now allow a male ( as long as he is openly gay ) in a female locker room since he wouldn't have the " normal " thoughts when seeing naked females?? As far as I am concerned...what someone " thinks " isn't a concern to me. Now, if that person were to ACT on those thoughts, it would be an entirely different story. We recently had a case here of a teacher/football coach that got a 14 year old female student pregnant. He ACTED on the thoughts he had, and took advantage of a young girl. THAT is when there is a pretty serious problem. My personal answer is ,,yes,, if a male were homosexual it would be different. I would prefer a homosexual male to view my daughter than a gay female or a straight male. If a heterosexual is STILL HELD TO THAT STANDARD, then a homosexual should ALSO BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD! YET,,WE DON'T DISCUSS THAT NOW,,or SEE IT AS AN ISSUE in our school systems?? I know what it felt like to be eyed by MY PE COACH,,,and it was even more YUK,,than the embarrassment if HE would have been a SHE. But NOW, I just can't understand why the public does not take THIS into considerations??? |
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I don't feel it's right. This is why we see many stories over the years on the news. They should do it like the do with all the other classes. You have a teacher and you have a sub teacher. If it's a male coach for the girls, they shold always have a female sub with them. it doesn't matter what the sexual preference is
As far as a coach being gay, doesn't mean he like boys, but it could make some studence uncomfortable, and thats where a problem could start. |
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Doesn't seem to be an issue for rec centers and health clubs.
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