Topic: Do we expect a lower standard from women?
wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:35 AM

I have noticed that a rated "R" movie can have a fully naked woman in it. But it needs to be rated X to see a naked man. grumble


That's because censors expect less (of sexual awareness and wherewithal) of our young women in society than of young men.

RKISIT's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:36 AM

(Before you jump on me for generalizing let me just say yes, I am. For the sake of discussion I'd like to talk about the two groups collectively rather than individually. I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this notion)

Do you ever notice that when you look at popular youtubers the guys are almost always funnier than the girls, and that girls generally depend on showing boobs and being beautiful for hits?

Do you ever notice that it's easier for beautiful women to be "famous for nothing" while men, even attractive men, almost always have to be skilled in some area such as acting, music, wit etc in order to earn fame?

Do you think Sarah Palin would be considered as qualified to be John McCain's running mate if she were a man?

I guess what I'm getting at is, as a society, do people expect less from women? If so, isn't this to the detriment of the female sex? Are women in the media generally stupider and less talented than the men?


well it's kind of like if a TV station gets good ratings cause they have a bubble headed bleach blonde as the news anchor,then everyone rushes out to get bubble headed bleach blondes as anchors.....if a TV show gets good ratings cause of drama (which i find funny cause mo0st say they can't stand drama, then your gonna see more drama reality shows.

take Mtv for example it's ratings were falling so they decided to start showing reality shows and thanks to Mtv,music television?we have so many reality shows.


and of course women can be popular cause of their looks,and not brains or talent,because which gender of pornstars make the most money?laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:37 AM

Also, being arrested has nothing to do with talent/intelligence.


I don't know. A really smart criminal never gets arrested. Look at George W. Bush or the Pope.

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:40 AM
Edited by wux on Fri 01/08/10 11:40 AM


Also, being arrested has nothing to do with talent/intelligence.


I don't know. A really smart criminal never gets arrested. Look at George W. Bush or the Pope.


Oops. I take my words back. George Bush and "intelligence" do not go into the same sentence without causing a tsunami or a major world financial meltdown, or a Hollywood actress losing all her hair and teeth overnight.

So he had a different trick up his sleeve.

XenomorphEyez's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:40 AM
Edited by XenomorphEyez on Fri 01/08/10 11:44 AM



I've never heard of the Jersey Shore crew.... are they as famous as the other female pseudo celebs I mentioned?

It's on MTV...kind of like the Real World except it's sole purpose is to embarrass Italian Americans. I would say they are having their 15 minutes at the moment. I think they were actually on talk shows making the rounds.



But men only make up half of the population. Do you think it's men who buy gossip magazines and frequent online gossip sites about paris hilton etc?

If only men are interested in the female pseudo celebrities, why aren't they reported on soley in men's magazines?


Most people that run gossip sites on the net are gay men.

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:45 AM



I guess I would have to ask who you are asking this question to --men or women.

I think women hold women to a higher standard. It is not women who make other women famous just because they are beautiful. To be honest a woman could walk around me topless all day and I'm not going to do any more for her than I would if she was in a winter parka. Sarah Palin was brought in to get the woman's vote and we see how well women fell for that one. Men are not famous for just being good looking because although women appreciate the attractive guy we want more.

So if you are looking for the answer it's JMO that men are the ones who will make someone famous or do that extra favor just because a woman is attractive or half dressed.




But men only make up half of the population. Do you think it's men who buy gossip magazines and frequent online gossip sites about paris hilton etc?

If only men are interested in the female pseudo celebrities, why aren't they reported on soley in men's magazines?


Most people that run gossip sites on the net are gay men.


That's a redundant statement. ALL men on the net are gay. They drink coke, they're too stupid to know what to do with the empty bottle so they just stuff it somewhere.

RKISIT's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:49 AM




I guess I would have to ask who you are asking this question to --men or women.

I think women hold women to a higher standard. It is not women who make other women famous just because they are beautiful. To be honest a woman could walk around me topless all day and I'm not going to do any more for her than I would if she was in a winter parka. Sarah Palin was brought in to get the woman's vote and we see how well women fell for that one. Men are not famous for just being good looking because although women appreciate the attractive guy we want more.

So if you are looking for the answer it's JMO that men are the ones who will make someone famous or do that extra favor just because a woman is attractive or half dressed.




But men only make up half of the population. Do you think it's men who buy gossip magazines and frequent online gossip sites about paris hilton etc?

If only men are interested in the female pseudo celebrities, why aren't they reported on soley in men's magazines?


Most people that run gossip sites on the net are gay men.


That's a redundant statement. ALL men on the net are gay. They drink coke, they're too stupid to know what to do with the empty bottle so they just stuff it somewhere.
to them thats pleasure not stupidityrofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

CatsLoveMe's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:49 AM
Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.

RKISIT's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:54 AM
Edited by RKISIT on Fri 01/08/10 11:54 AM

Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.
ok cats then is this men and women doing the same jobs as each other? not every job pays the same....also you have to take into account more men work then women so there are more opportunities and chances that a man will make more, so the average will be higher....but then again not everyone takes that into consideration

XenomorphEyez's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:55 AM

Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.


Wow, really? That's pretty sad. How do people live on that?

XenomorphEyez's photo
Fri 01/08/10 11:57 AM


That's a redundant statement. ALL men on the net are gay. They drink coke, they're too stupid to know what to do with the empty bottle so they just stuff it somewhere.

Is that right? Never thought about that aspect before. Thanks. drinker

CatsLoveMe's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:20 PM


Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.
ok cats then is this men and women doing the same jobs as each other? not every job pays the same....also you have to take into account more men work then women so there are more opportunities and chances that a man will make more, so the average will be higher....but then again not everyone takes that into consideration



Yes, these are averages. To me, they seem to reflect that on average, men earn more, still. And women have the option of not working in some cases, this is usually not the case for men. There are some stay at home dads, but they are a small minority.

RKISIT's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:27 PM



Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.
ok cats then is this men and women doing the same jobs as each other? not every job pays the same....also you have to take into account more men work then women so there are more opportunities and chances that a man will make more, so the average will be higher....but then again not everyone takes that into consideration



Yes, these are averages. To me, they seem to reflect that on average, men earn more, still. And women have the option of not working in some cases, this is usually not the case for men. There are some stay at home dads, but they are a small minority.
but i know what you were getting at there are cases where a man and a woman doing the same work,but the man makes more.you are correct about that and i think it is unfair

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:28 PM


Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.


Wow, really? That's pretty sad. How do people live on that?



Well... they sell dope on the side, of course.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:30 PM
It depends upon ones definition of standard. I think women are held to a much more rigid standard when it comes to beauty and selflessness.

typically, people EXPECT the woman to be perfect, female models are featured much more often than male in the media so there is intense pressure on women to look a certan way. People also EXPECT the woman to look after everyone else in her family besides herself, whereas the man is just expected, in most cases, to work(like he is expected to do when he is single).

Men are held to a more rigid standard when it comes to career choice and parenthood and relationships. I think women can go into caretaking or lower paying careers without the stigma that a man faces for those same choices. I think women are given ALOT more leeway than men (to make up for the uneven expectation in responsibility, in my opinion) in parenting and because the child happens to gestate inside their wombs. I think when women kill their kids the question is asked or oonsidered how overwhelmed or ill they may have been, but a man doing the same is given no chance to rationalize it. I think when men beat up on women, women can go to the cops with little stigma and even eventually kill that man and that man is immediately demonized, whereas when a woman is beating on a man if he even strikes her, he is demonized.

I think there are very clear double standards for women and men, I think some of them are reasonable and some are not. I dont know if it is a matter of an overall higher or lower standard though,,,just different.

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:33 PM
Edited by wux on Fri 01/08/10 12:41 PM


Davenport, Iowa: The median income for a household in the city is $40,378 with families earning $51,445. Males had a median income of $41,853 versus $30,002 for females

Cinncinati, Ohio: The median income for a household in the city was $29,493, and the median income for a family was $37,543. Males had a median income of $33,063 versus $26,946 for females.

Greensboro, NC: The median income for a household in the city in 2000 was $39,661, and the median income for a family was $50,192. Males had a median income of $34,681 versus $26,797 for females.

Galveston, TX: The median income for a household in the city was $28,895, and the median income for a family was $35,049. Males had a median income of $30,150 versus $26,030 for females.

I could go on and on...look at the per capita discrepencies between genders.


Wow, really? That's pretty sad. How do people live on that?


The more I look at your picture, the more and harder I laugh. It does not stop being funny even for a moment. Especially when you talk and make statements, and carry on non-chalantly and smartly, as if the whole world did not know. It's priceless. Shows a strong character and a well-balanced woman, with the healthiest self-esteem. Well done, sister.

Jtevans's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:34 PM

(Before you jump on me for generalizing let me just say yes, I am. For the sake of discussion I'd like to talk about the two groups collectively rather than individually. I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this notion)

Do you ever notice that when you look at popular youtubers the guys are almost always funnier than the girls, and that girls generally depend on showing boobs and being beautiful for hits?

Do you ever notice that it's easier for beautiful women to be "famous for nothing" while men, even attractive men, almost always have to be skilled in some area such as acting, music, wit etc in order to earn fame?

Do you think Sarah Palin would be considered as qualified to be John McCain's running mate if she were a man?

I guess what I'm getting at is, as a society, do people expect less from women? If so, isn't this to the detriment of the female sex? Are women in the media generally stupider and less talented than the men?





well i will admit,i do expect a woman to be on her knees most of the time....





know what i'm sayin'???drool drool drool

no photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:35 PM
I thought this whole equal rights thing ended along time ago....whoa

wux's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:36 PM
Edited by wux on Fri 01/08/10 12:38 PM

It depends upon ones definition of standard. I think women are held to a much more rigid standard when it comes to beauty and selflessness.


That's so easy to explain. Women are held to a rigid standard put up by men. If the women are not held to this standard, the standard would lose its rigidity. Also, if a woman is not beautiful, then no matter how close she's held to a standard, the standard won't get rigid.

(I apologize MsHarmony... you set it up so beautifully. I just could not resist.)

Jill298's photo
Fri 01/08/10 12:37 PM

I thought this whole equal rights thing ended along time ago....whoa
It's not equal til I start seeing peni$es on a rated R movie laugh