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Topic: Dems intend to bypass GOP on health compromise
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Mon 01/04/10 07:05 PM
WASHINGTON – House and Senate Democrats intend to bypass traditional procedures when they negotiate a final compromise on health care legislation, officials said Monday, a move that will exclude Republican lawmakers and reduce their ability to delay or force politically troubling votes in both houses.

The unofficial timetable calls for final passage of the measure to remake the nation's health care system by the time President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address, probably in early February.

Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

These officials said there are no plans to appoint a formal House-Senate conference committee, the method Congress most often uses to reconcile differing bills. Under that customary format, a committee chairman is appointed to preside, and other senior lawmakers from both parties and houses participate in typically perfunctory public meetings while the meaningful negotiations occur behind closed doors.

In this case, the plan is to skip the formal meetings, reach an agreement, then have the two houses vote as quickly as possible. A 60-vote Senate majority would be required in advance of final passage.

"I look forward to working with members of the House, the Senate and President Obama to reconcile our bills and send the final legislation to the president's desk as soon as possible," Pelosi said late last year as the Senate approved its version of the legislation.

"We hope to get a bill done as soon as possible," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid.

The issue is so partisan that only one Republican, Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao of Louisiana, has cast a vote in favor of the legislation.

GOP leaders have vowed to try and block a final bill from reaching Obama's desk. "This fight isn't over. My colleagues and I will work to stop this bill from becoming law," Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the Republican leader, said shortly before the Senate cleared its version of the bill last month.

Both houses have already passed legislation to remake the health care system, extending coverage to millions who lack it while cracking down on industry practices such as denying insurance on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.

There are literally hundreds of differences between the two bills, a House measure that ran to 1,990 pages and a Senate version of 2,074, not counting 383 pages of last-minute changes. The biggest differences involve a dispute over a government-run insurance option — the House wants one, but the Senate bill omitted it — as well as the size and extent of federal subsidies to help lower-income families afford coverage.

Bypassing a formal conference committee enables Democrats to omit time-consuming procedural steps in the Senate and prevents Republicans from trying to delay the final negotiations.

Under Senate rules, three separate votes are required before negotiators for the two houses may hold a formal meeting. While the three normally are agreed to within seconds, each may be filibustered, and Democrats would then have to produce 60 votes to cut off debate.

Additionally, Republicans would have the right to demand votes on nonbinding proposals once negotiators for the two houses were appointed. That could, in turn, require Democrats to vote on political controversies such as wiping out the legislation's proposed cuts in Medicare, the type of issue that could easily be turned into attack ads in next fall's campaign.

Congress plans no formal sessions until Jan. 19, but Pelosi intends to meet this week with key committee chairmen and other leaders, and a separate meeting is also planned for members of the rank and file.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100105/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul



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Mon 01/04/10 07:11 PM
so, the Democrats are changing the rules to make it easier for themselves?

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:16 PM

so, the Democrats are changing the rules to make it easier for themselves?


Not changing rules.
There really aren't any rules.
There really isn't any sense to include the Anti-American Party though.
Every time there is a vote they vote no, and they do nothing up to that vote but delay it, and attempt to obstruct it.

They have no interest in helping "the people", only in helping their sponsors, Insurance lobbyists. So why include them?

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Mon 01/04/10 07:16 PM
This whole health care fiasco is nothing but a huge new tax.Why does a person who has tens of millions or even a million dollars need to pay thousands of dollars a month into a health care plan when he can pay the entire hospital bill on the spot for what ever they go there for?What we have is Obama's Socialist plan for spreading the wealth around.Anyone making over 88,000 a year are just getting a massive tax increase to pay for something they can
afford anyways.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:29 PM
We just had 8 years of a Republican fiasco. Despite the low approval rating the Pubs still don't get it!

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Mon 01/04/10 07:31 PM

This whole health care fiasco is nothing but a huge new tax.Why does a person who has tens of millions or even a million dollars need to pay thousands of dollars a month into a health care plan when he can pay the entire hospital bill on the spot for what ever they go there for?What we have is Obama's Socialist plan for spreading the wealth around.Anyone making over 88,000 a year are just getting a massive tax increase to pay for something they can
afford anyways.
Oh thomas,
SAY IT AINT SO....CRY ME A RIVER... HAVE YOUR HEAD BEEN IN THE SAND FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS DEBATE???? PLEASE CATCH UP! OBAMA ROCKS!!!!!

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Mon 01/04/10 07:46 PM

so, the Democrats are changing the rules to make it easier for themselves?


You mean they are pulling a GW Bush?

Dragoness's photo
Mon 01/04/10 07:50 PM
The healthcare needs to be approved and it needs to have a public option.

We can work out the technicalities as they come up.

We are a rich country and there is no reason not to have healthcare for all.

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Mon 01/04/10 07:57 PM
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http://www.standwithdrdean.com/

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Mon 01/04/10 08:00 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 01/04/10 08:01 PM
sorry my button is not working correctly

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:06 PM
I signed, but I'll Take what we can get!









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Mon 01/04/10 08:07 PM


This whole health care fiasco is nothing but a huge new tax.Why does a person who has tens of millions or even a million dollars need to pay thousands of dollars a month into a health care plan when he can pay the entire hospital bill on the spot for what ever they go there for?What we have is Obama's Socialist plan for spreading the wealth around.Anyone making over 88,000 a year are just getting a massive tax increase to pay for something they can
afford anyways.
Oh thomas,
SAY IT AINT SO....CRY ME A RIVER... HAVE YOUR HEAD BEEN IN THE SAND FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS DEBATE???? PLEASE CATCH UP! OBAMA ROCKS!!!!!


Republican bloggs.

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Mon 01/04/10 08:35 PM

We are a rich country and there is no reason not to have healthcare for all.


Is that why China felt the need to remind Saint Obama how much we OWE them??

We are not the " rich " country that you folks seem to think.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:36 PM

WASHINGTON – House and Senate Democrats intend to bypass traditional procedures when they negotiate a final compromise on health care legislation, officials said Monday, a move that will exclude Republican lawmakers and reduce their ability to delay or force politically troubling votes in both houses.

The unofficial timetable calls for final passage of the measure to remake the nation's health care system by the time President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address, probably in early February.

Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

These officials said there are no plans to appoint a formal House-Senate conference committee, the method Congress most often uses to reconcile differing bills. Under that customary format, a committee chairman is appointed to preside, and other senior lawmakers from both parties and houses participate in typically perfunctory public meetings while the meaningful negotiations occur behind closed doors.

In this case, the plan is to skip the formal meetings, reach an agreement, then have the two houses vote as quickly as possible. A 60-vote Senate majority would be required in advance of final passage.

"I look forward to working with members of the House, the Senate and President Obama to reconcile our bills and send the final legislation to the president's desk as soon as possible," Pelosi said late last year as the Senate approved its version of the legislation.

"We hope to get a bill done as soon as possible," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid.

The issue is so partisan that only one Republican, Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao of Louisiana, has cast a vote in favor of the legislation.

GOP leaders have vowed to try and block a final bill from reaching Obama's desk. "This fight isn't over. My colleagues and I will work to stop this bill from becoming law," Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the Republican leader, said shortly before the Senate cleared its version of the bill last month.

Both houses have already passed legislation to remake the health care system, extending coverage to millions who lack it while cracking down on industry practices such as denying insurance on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.

There are literally hundreds of differences between the two bills, a House measure that ran to 1,990 pages and a Senate version of 2,074, not counting 383 pages of last-minute changes. The biggest differences involve a dispute over a government-run insurance option — the House wants one, but the Senate bill omitted it — as well as the size and extent of federal subsidies to help lower-income families afford coverage.

Bypassing a formal conference committee enables Democrats to omit time-consuming procedural steps in the Senate and prevents Republicans from trying to delay the final negotiations.

Under Senate rules, three separate votes are required before negotiators for the two houses may hold a formal meeting. While the three normally are agreed to within seconds, each may be filibustered, and Democrats would then have to produce 60 votes to cut off debate.

Additionally, Republicans would have the right to demand votes on nonbinding proposals once negotiators for the two houses were appointed. That could, in turn, require Democrats to vote on political controversies such as wiping out the legislation's proposed cuts in Medicare, the type of issue that could easily be turned into attack ads in next fall's campaign.

Congress plans no formal sessions until Jan. 19, but Pelosi intends to meet this week with key committee chairmen and other leaders, and a separate meeting is also planned for members of the rank and file.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100105/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul





Oh look. An end around by the Democrats.

What a shocker.

" TO HELL with what the people have to say. We'll do whatever we want. "

Yep. That's the party that speaks for " the little guy " alright.

What a freakin joke.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:39 PM



Oh look. An end around by the Democrats.

What a shocker.

" TO HELL with what the people have to say. We'll do whatever we want. "

Yep. That's the party that speaks for " the little guy " alright.

What a freakin joke.


Hell when GW did it people said it showed strength and patriotism, what is the difference now?

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Mon 01/04/10 09:17 PM




Oh look. An end around by the Democrats.

What a shocker.

" TO HELL with what the people have to say. We'll do whatever we want. "

Yep. That's the party that speaks for " the little guy " alright.

What a freakin joke.


Hell when GW did it people said it showed strength and patriotism, what is the difference now?


I was never one that said any such thing.

I am getting sick and tired of seeing the people of this country left without a voice. I thought that Obama might change that and actually HEAR what the people have to say...but he's no better than the rest.

And since there is no one to call out Obama < the media LOVES him after all > the rest of the Democrats figure they can do whatever the hell they want and there will be no consequences.

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Mon 01/04/10 09:40 PM


so, the Democrats are changing the rules to make it easier for themselves?


Not changing rules.
There really aren't any rules.
There really isn't any sense to include the Anti-American Party though.
Every time there is a vote they vote no, and they do nothing up to that vote but delay it, and attempt to obstruct it.

They have no interest in helping "the people", only in helping their sponsors, Insurance lobbyists. So why include them?


GWB skipped the entire congress. Both houses.

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Mon 01/04/10 09:43 PM



so, the Democrats are changing the rules to make it easier for themselves?


Not changing rules.
There really aren't any rules.
There really isn't any sense to include the Anti-American Party though.
Every time there is a vote they vote no, and they do nothing up to that vote but delay it, and attempt to obstruct it.

They have no interest in helping "the people", only in helping their sponsors, Insurance lobbyists. So why include them?


GWB skipped the entire congress. Both houses.


So, of course....two wrongs making a right...

It's perfectly alright for the Dems to ignore the people as well.

Doesn't sound lot a whole lot of " change " is going on.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 09:44 PM
Heck, he sent Gonzales to the AG's hospital death bed to get him to sign a warrantless phone tap order.
When he was waylaid by an alert acting AG, he just signed the order without him.

This breaks no rules,
strips no rights from the people, and

There really isn't any sense to include the Anti-American Party.
Every time there is a vote they vote no, and they do nothing up to that vote but delay it, and attempt to obstruct it.

They have no interest in helping "the people", only in helping their sponsors, Insurance lobbyists. So why include them?



Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/04/10 09:50 PM
The Republicans have no interest in Participation in health-care reform.
They all voted no every time, so why include them in this step?

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