Ok I am a realist. I know that all I have to offer a woman is brains,
and humor so I know my limitations. Due to that, I rarely make a try to
date women that I consider "outside of my league". My friend keeps
telling me that i should "try for someone "outside my comfort zone". So
I suggested she go out with me, (she is a gorgeous red head, a former
model). Anyway, she told me, "I said try outside your comfort level,
not shoot for the moon on the first try". To me this indicates that she
was just feeding me a line of crap and I will never have a chance with a
"hot" woman. Any feedback?

was she joking or serious? i've heard similar exchanges and also had a
few myself where it was only a joke.
i say, approach any woman that you are interested in no matter whether
it is for looks or personality. she doesn't hold the opinion of every
woman, don't let it bother you.

Oh she was quite serious. She later told me, that while I need to aim
higher, I should be realistic in my expectations". To me that means I
should know my place and avoid the "hotties".

If a woman like that is what you consider a "hot" woman, why would you
want a chance? There is so much more to a person than a hot body and a
pretty face. There's.... humor and brains.. just to name a couple.
I would say the women that brush you off because you aren't a hunk
probably aren't worth your time. Down the road they may find that Mr.
Tanned and rippling muscles can't pay the rent!
If you feel you have to pursue this path, you're going to have to be
unique in your approach to generate some interest. You can only control
what you do in the situation. They may still shoot you down. But don't
underestimate what you have to offer.

I don't, but I am also, above everything else, a realist. In other
words, George Clooney I'm not. So I know I won't have a shot with a
women of "movie star" looks. Just as an example.

Reality is what you make of it. If you don't ask a hottie, you'll never
date a hottie. I have heard people complain that they can't meet anyone.
When asked where they go to meet people.. they say, well I don't go out
much. The only person you're going to meet that way is the UPS guy (or
girl).
It's always nice to think that people find you attractive, but it surely
isn't a measure of worth.

No it isn't. I mean I do go out, and I also volunteer in the community
so i do get to meet different people and quite a few women. The few
that have interested me romantically have shot me down when I approached
them. So it is either I keep trying or stop trying.

Sorry, but it sounds like she was trying to tell you she wasn't
interested. No harm in trying, of course...I hear that "the beautiful
people" are often lonely because the other "beautiful people" are too
shallow (or preoccupied staring at themselves), and we "mere mortals"
are afraid to approach them.

I sent you a reply on your "General" topics post. Go see...

i still say go after who you are interested in without the barriers.
alot of women may say no but not everyone judges on looks. just because
your friend does doesn't mean the next woman will.

I agree with king.

Be confident in what you have to offer. Even George Clooney, in the
privacy of his own home, is simply a man. Be careful you don't pass over
the one you connect with while you search for the 'hot model-type'.
Sometimes you'll find both in one package...sometimes not. The perfect
woman may be staring you in the face, trying to get your attention, but
you can't see her because of an ideal society has painted for you. As
for reaching for the moon...there are choice words for a woman like the
red-head. :)

I second that...if i see a good looking guy on the street, doesn't hurt
to come up and give him a compliment. Living this kind of world,
everyone of us does need some encouragement you know, i know i
do........ so go for it !!!

My question is this...would you just date an average looking woman? That
woman that you asked that question to, and she answered the way she
did...would you really want to be with someone that way? To me, she
sounded pretty conceited and honestly she acted like a total bytch...she
was actually pretty rude! So, why would you really want someone like
that?
Heres the thing, looks fade!! Then what are those gorgeous model type
women going to do when they hit 50 and they aren't so gorgeous? HMMM
maybe their shallow butts will be begging for a date then :)

i swear if everyone listened when they were told what could and couldnt
be done we'd all still be in the stone age and im sorry have you ever
seen some of the rock starts and their supermodel wives ...like gene
simmons or mic mars both of whom are ugly as sin but have smokin wives
....so dont listen to naysayers

Exactly lionsbrew! There are GORGEOUS moviestars with some not so
gorgeous significant others ("not so gorgeous" by their standards I
mean). Obviously they're offering those "goregous moviestars" something
or they wouldn't be keeping them for long. So who says you can't have
that???? :)

Hot could be different for him then what we think. I say try going out
with someone that is different then what you are use to. It will open
your mind to somethings and you will find out what you are capable of.
And it will be a lot better then just staying in the same spot in life.
We never grow if we don't try new things in life. I think she is right
whether she likes you or not. You should always try for what you think
you deserve.If that means aim a little higher then do it. Shit! IL never
settle for less then what I think I deserve.And that does not have to do
with looks people. But look do help. :)

I think your beating yourself. I am a plain, simple, self educated
country boy, but I have had the privilage to have dinner with and visit
with some of the world most beautiful models, best musicians, and
politicial figures. These meeting were sometimes luck and sometimes
because I keep knocking on doors till I found one that would open. So
maybe you just knocked on the wrong door this time.

my ex was a model so its no big deal!! dont feel any less than
them!!!!!!!!!

Hey vaf, drop me an e-mail in here if you want some hope lol...I'm not
much of a looker either, but I'll send you a pic of the last two women I
went out with and a pic of the future Mrs. Animal so you can see that
even regular non- hot looking guys can still date(and other
things<wink>) beautiful women...sry, they'll be clean pics, I'd never
send the other kind out without their permission and I ain't gonna ask
lol

I have to agree with the majority on this one vafyredawg, nothing
ventured nothing gained. And I too would like to know if you would date
an average looking woman. I see no problem in your looks, you look great
to me.

You say that your a realist, I think that maybe you have some
self-confidence issues, and that can be improved upon my sweet. As for
the red head, well, you would not have to shoot for the moon to obtain
her, her personality has her crashing back to earth with a bang.

So vafyredawg, reach for the stars, shoot for the moon, but never knock
anyone aside in the process. The one your looking for may very well be
one of the people you over look.

Its too bad you don't live closer to me vaf.