HI ANdrea.
I hope u r having a great day.

I have a button, a big button, I did not know how big it was until I
began posting on JSH. Whenever I see the two words, tolerance
and acceptance used interchangeably, I cringe. And yes it is for very
personal reasons.

From my point of view:
Tolerance can be a very precarious word. To be tolerant simply means to
put up with, allow for, ignore. In many ways tolerance is not only a
good attitude, it can be a way to keep peace for an individual.
However, to extend tolerance beyond the wholesome peace of self, is to
put up with, allow and ignore those things in this world that lead to
bigotry, hate that thrive on crime and unjust laws and worse.

Acceptance is a much more difficult route and does not always seem to
give one peace. As in the case of those with rigid religious
convictions. For they fear for the salvation of those they love or
maybe just feel there are irreconcilable differences and thus choose to
ignore them.
Acceptance includes attempting to understand, to wrap your mind around
the differences and love the diversity. BUT, this has a price, for in
acceptance one must be ready and willing, beyond any other belief, to
extend this understanding to the fullest extent of love and justice and
equality. This means fighting for the rights of others, even when they
do not coincide with your beliefs. Understand? Not waving away the
injustice because it does not affect you, but accepting the
responsabilty
to right wrongs, to fight causes because they affect others.

Tolerance is good for the individual, but it is a threat to society.
Acceptance is better it does not alter ones beliefs but rather extends
the love and peace within the faith, to all, regardless of belief.

Thanks for the chance spider to say my "peace" regarding this issue, I
find so touchy.

farrroooouuut red ya sure do babble on dont ya i did look the meaning up
for tolerance ,acceptance is only one aspect of tolerance.

Here, Fred, I've copied it for you

tol·er·ance (plural tol·er·ances)


noun
Definition:

1. acceptance of different views: the acceptance of the differing views
of other people, e.g. in religious or political matters, and fairness
toward the people who hold these different views

2. tolerating of somebody or something: the act of putting up with
somebody or something irritating or otherwise unpleasant


That is the best definition I could find, and it says that tolerance and
acceptance are connected.

Tolerance: The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and
respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

Acceptance: Belief in something; agreement.

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I'm afraid I have to disagree with both Red and Kari. Tolerance is not
acceptance and acceptance is not just accepting someone's right to
believe as they do.

Acceptance of someone's belief is to acknowledge that they are correct
in their belief, something that no faithful Hindu, Sek, Muslim, Parsi,
Jew, Christian, etc would do of someone with a different faith.

Tolerance is recognizing the beliefs of others. If you were to enter
the house of a Hindu, it would be proper and respectful to take off your
shoes when you enter the room where they worship. If you were to have a
cook-out with Muslims and/or Jews attending, it would be proper to serve
non-Pork / Kosher dishes. Tolerance does not require that you recognize
their beliefs as the truth, but it does require that you recognize their
right to believe the way they do and treat them with respect.

While having dinner with someone of another religion, it would be rude
to discuss religion at all, but if religion was being discussed, it
wouldn't be rude to offer an opinion on the subject. Tolerance is a two
way street, if someone's beliefs don't coincide with your own, you
cannot claim that they are "intolerant" and then treat them rudely. To
be tolerant means to respectfully disagree with another's beliefs. A
straight man can be tolerant of a homosexual man, without having sex
with him or agreeing that homosexuality is the best way. The straight
man could say "I perfer women, to me there is nothing better than the
smell of a woman's hair or the softness of her skin" without being
intolerant, correct?

But truth be told, discussing religion is different, isn't it. When you
discuss religion, you aren't just saying "I disagree", but you are
saying "You are wrong". This is the reason that my father used to tell
me "Never discuss religion or politics in polite company". Discussing
religion requires a special degree of tolerance of which most people
aren't capable. Discussing religion requires that one be tolerant of
the fact that the other person probably thinks you are wrong in your
beliefs.

that's why i gave up religion!


one of the reasons.... what a hassel sheesh!!!

Me too

Nobody to explain to why I don't go to church, no big brimborium, just
God.

Tolerance is when you don't agree with someone and you keep your mouth
shut anyway. Or you just agree to disagree everyone's point of views are
diffrent i may never agree or accept your as my own or vice versa but
we'll tolerate each others point of view.

you are a pretty smart spider spider funny how christians find
pleasure in their persecution and their persistance with conversions of
others to their faith and it is the duty of a christian to be a deciple
and make deciples that does not show tolerance in my eyes.they beleive
they have the only truth they continually try to convert others .

kariZman,

I'm just sharing my view point. Would I be disappointed if someone here
became a Christian? No? Am I "shoving my religion down your throat"?
Not at all. In fact, there is nothing about Christian doctrine in my
post, I was explaining the concepts of acceptance and tolerance as I
understand them. This forum is for everyone to share their different
religous beliefs, it's not an echo chamber for those who agree with one
another.

thinking
(boy that sure is stupid
i hope nobody is harmed from that)

turning and walking away shaking head

well old mate ya come across as a self opinated holier than thou know it
all to me mate must take my hat off to ya for ya persistance
. its all just banter in here for me.

previous post

that's why i gave up religion!


one of the reasons.... what a hassel sheesh!

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organized religion ======= the root of all evil

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my goodness im a shhiitthouse speller

kariZman,

I'm sorry that I come off that way to you. I thought I was just sharing
my opinion like everyone else, but I must be doing something different.
Maybe you can help me, by showing me what it is that I say to make me
appear that way. Please be specific, it's the only way that I will grow
as a person and don't worry about my feelings, I can handle the truth.

Maybe Spider, it is quite simple.

Your world is divided in Christians, Non-Christians and Non-believers.

Our world consists of human beings, each one with his own issues, his
own beliefs and his own sense of humour. We don't divide them, we take
them as they are, flaws, faults and glitches.
This way we get to know and to love them, each one of them for what he
is.

Much love and support Spider for being the "BIGGER man."
You handle situation calmly and respectfully.





Applause for you.

invisible,

You shouldn't assume you know how I think, you should ask me. You start
off by suggesting that I put people into boxes and then you place me
into a box. I believe that if you really think about it, you will find
that you put people into boxes all the time. The reason I know that you
do that is because you are human. It's been years since I took
psychology courses, so I believe Jess can explain the concept better
than I...I can't even remember what it was called, but here is an
example: My son used to call our ferrets, "cats". Because he only knew
"cat" as a category. I know that ferrets can be placed into the weasel
family and that they are vertebrates and that they are mammals, all
categories or "boxes" as you like to call them. It's how the human
brain works. When I look at someone, I immediately and subconciously
start placing them into categories. I might see a woman in an elevator
and think "She's black", "She's tall", "She's pretty", "She's a
Christian (because she's carrying a Bible)", "She has bad vision
(wearing glasses), etc. It's human nature, we can only understand
something when we compare it to another thing or a standard. That's why
so many people say "Light cannot exist without darkness" "Good cannot
exist without evil", the human mind must compare one thing to another to
understand it.

Personally, I believe people can be seperated into two top level
categories: believers and non-believers. TThen each of the top level
categorys are broken down into various sub categories. I'm not sure how
this makes me intolerant. Intolerance would be based on how I treated
or mistreated people based on the box I put them into.

Got it. Boxes or categories are called "schemata" in psychology. Every
human uses "schemata" and therefore places people into categories.

we all make judgements that is good.we all have our own judgements to
make. we must make judgements we are able to make choices when we make
judgements. i make judgements with everyone i meet and some people i
just dont like, they have different values to me,so i dont play.i dont
have any right to condem or hang anyone i just try to be tolerant with
everyone some people like poken each others noses.i stay away from
dipsshhiittss like that.