radical aye???

Yeah. I knew about the Federal Reserve System and had read a book years ago called "The Creature from Jekyll Island". And, I always knew the Pentagon story was BS. But, there was still so much I didn't know.

Thanks for posting the link, hellkitten. That was well worth the 2 hours.

That's why I think we are screwed, too. Anyone who gains enough support, money and recognition (which would be hard enough to do anyway) to actually even begin to try to stop this, will end up dead very quickly.

The Addendum to Zeitgeist is very interesting as well.

I think that if 9/11 truly was an inside job, those responsible should be caught and made to horribly suffer for all of the innocent life that is on their hands.

No problem. It's an eye opener for sure. I'm gonna watch the other tonight if I have time.

The only section that sounds questionable in terms of scholarship is the part on Christianity. It seems to lack scholarship. I do suggest people see it, but avoid the sequel due to its collectivism and departure from the tone of the first one.

Creature from Jeckyll Island is an excellent book, btw.

After watching the second one I have to say I agree with this statement. It has some good info, but it also has a very obvious agenda as we get to the end of it.

I did some quick research into the claims made at the beginning of the movie about Jesus and you are right. It does lack scholarship. There's too much exageration in some of their claims about Jesus and other gods who pre-dated him. However, I believe the information on the religious establishments (not the religious beliefs) is true. I did a lot of research on Catholicism years ago and it is not a pretty picture how the Catholic Church came about and then forced Christianity on the world.

Zeitgeist is dead on with facts and evidence but it's a little opinionated, one sided and they seem to think technology will save the world. I found Zeitgeist 2 and 3 to be better.
Amazing movie I have 30 Documentaries on similar topics and Zeitgeist is defiantly the best.
Other must see eye opening documentaries based on America.

'Loose change final cut' is a more in depth analysis of the 911 attacks,

'farenheight 911' is also an eye opener and has good info on the war following 911,

'Earthlings' is amazing if you want to know about food, also

'food matters', 'food inc' and 'future of food' are good food movies but similar.

'bowling for columbine' is very funny but sad.

'flow for the love of water' is good on water and third world countries.

There are two problems I have found with the movie so far. The first is on their claim that the facts about Jesus have been copies from previous religions. I thought it was strange that I had never heard this since it's one of my interests.

Apparently, the movie gets most of these facts from one book in particular. This author has been discredited by historians who have looked at her book, some of whom were atheists, so they were not biased. The fact is that there are no pre-Christian stories or accouts of these mythological gods that have all the similarities to Jesus that the movie claims. Most of these stories were added AFTER Jesus so they probably copied Christianity.

Horus is the only one to contain any similarities, and even those are weak.

The other fact that I am concerned about is the one where they say that there is no law that forces us to pay income tax to the IRS. If that is the case, how did they put Al Capone in jail for tax evasion?

As far as the sections on 9/11 go, I am in full agreement with that and have found nothing in the way of good contraditory material. And, the info on the Federal Reserve is also true to my knowledge and very important for people to understand.

"The Obama Deception"

Look up the movie. We all know how torrents work.

Thanks, Mr. Pancakes. And, I like your headline.

This is a tricky subject, because the law and its interpreters use a lot of jargon and word-play. The way it was explained to me is that the IRS distinguishes our tax system from those that withhold earnings. Thus, they can get away with calling our system "voluntary"-that is, you "voluntarily" comply with the IRS. The penalty for not voluntarily complying is punishment by law. Sneaky, huh? The way around this is to get a tax attorney to help find all the loopholes and such.

Oh wow I was hoping someone would answer that question. Thanks!

I don't really understand how our tax system works but I guess its made that way on purpose.

he actually got a bill to undo the fed res and print u s currency by the treasury dept

i think the article said they even printed some

the law is still on the books but everyone is to afraid to us it


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On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. ............

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

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it is what it is

Good article. I had never heard that he was working on this. I guess it just proves that if you are a politician who is really for the people of this country and not a puppet, you will most likely end up dead.

I haven't found an accredited historian who agrees with the assertions in the first part of the movie. That's all I watched, I felt it was safe to assume the quality of research wasn't going to improve.

The 16th amendment give them the right to institute an income tax.

I haven't seen the movie

I was gonna watch it but all the reviews I've found say that there is a lot of factual untruths and manipulation so I never watched it


“these are surreal perversions of genuine issues and debates, and they tarnish all criticism of faith, the Bush administration and globalization—there are more than enough factual injustices in this world to be going around without having to invent fictional ones."
-Irish Times

Some of what it asserts is true. Unfortunately, this material is liberally—and sloppily—mixed with material that is only partially true and much that is plainly and simply bogus. Zeitgeist is The Da Vinci Code on steroids.
-Skeptic Magazine

“The postmodernist belief in the relativism of truth, coupled to the clicker culture of mass media where attention spans are measured in New York minutes, leaves us with a bewildering array of truth claims packaged in infotainment units. It must be true—I saw it on television, at the movies, on the Internet, The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, That's Incredible, The Sixth Sense, Poltergeist, Loose Change, Zeitgeist the Movie.”
-Scientific American


A more severe overall treatment is given by Jane Chapman, a film producer and reader in media studies at the University of Lincoln, who analyzes Zeitgeist (“A fast-paced assemblage of agitprop”) as an example of unethical film-making.[27] She accuses Joseph of deceit through the use of unsourced and unreferenced assertions, and standard film-making propaganda techniques. While parts of the film are, she says, “comically” self-defeating, the nature of “twisted evidence” and the false attribution of Madrid bomb footage as being in London (which she calls a “lie”) amount to ethical abuse in sourcing (in later versions of the movie, a subtitle is added to this footage identifying it as from the Madrid bombings).
-wiki

Senior lecturer in Ancient History Chris Forbes of Macquarie University has severely criticized Part I of the movie as having no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, relying on amateur sources that "borrow ideas from each other, and who recycle the same silly stuff" and "not a single serious source" can be found in official reference lists attached to the movie.[28] Of the film he says "It is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true."[28]

Forbes claims there is no evidence in Egyptian sources saying that Horus' mother Isis was a virgin. Similarly, neither Krishna (the eighth son), Dionysus (whose mother had slept with Zeus) nor Attis were ever supposed born of virgins. He points out that "son" and "sun" are not homophonic words in either Latin, Ancient Egyptian, or Greek, and therefore no such misunderstanding would occur; that the December 25 birth is not part of any of the myths—including that of Jesus, for whom Christmas Day was appointed as a festival day in open knowledge that the real date was not known.

Dr. Forbes also criticizes the movie's use of Roman sources to suggest that Jesus didn't exist, noting that a long list flashed across the screen of supposed contemporary historians that did not mention Jesus is actually comprised of geographers, gardening writers, poets and philosophers, who should not be expected to mention him. The allegation that Josephus' mention of Jesus was added later is criticized as misleading. Josephus actually mentions Jesus twice, with only one reference believed by scholars to have been doctored in the Middle Ages but to change an already existing mention of him. He also argues that the film misrepresents Constantine when it presents him as making Christianity compulsory (when he only legalized it) and inventing the historical Jesus (when early church records show that the historicity of Jesus had been a key element of faith from early on).
-wiki

now these are not my opinions

just the reasons why I didnt watch it