The 16th amendment give them the right to institute an income tax.

I haven't found an accredited historian who agrees with the assertions in the first part of the movie. That's all I watched, I felt it was safe to assume the quality of research wasn't going to improve.

How much of anything on the internet or youtube is 'FACTUAL"?

I take it all with a grain of salt and most of it as selected details to support peoples own pre determined beliefs.

Neither have I. But, there was a lot of good info in parts 2 and 3 that led me to do some of my own research into a few things. Some of their information is very good. As with most things, always check your facts.

What are your thoughts? I can give the link, it's a 2 hour doc. I really suggest EVERYONE watch this with a very open mind please. : )

Do not go in with expectations, just think of it as a learning experience.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#


It all makes sense now.

The history portrayed in the movies is factual - You can verify most of it through college level history books, I have done so myself. If you are an astuit web surfer and can read the validity of websited you can easily verify all the inforamtion on-line. But it is not the history by itself that is of value to Zeitgeist.

The information about the Federal Reserve is accurate, I have studied the Federal system of banking for 30 years and the information presented is verifiable through many history, business, economics, and finacial books and on-line information. You can even get most of this information directly from government sites and from the Federal Reserve sites. Try the THOMAS Library or other law libraries all on-line.

What you WONT find is an easily tracable path to the generational nepotism of the elitists who have controlled the Federal Banking system since its inception. I spent a year trying to do so and its sickening what we have allowed to develop and that we remain so complicit in its continuance.

BUT, I digress. The real point is that history is how we got to where we are, and Fresco implements many psychological tools to explain why we accept what we do and why we can't find a way out of it.

He has a great vision,is highly intelligent, an inventor and a scientist he provides us with proof that is vision is possible - but like all great visions we cannot just change, we must find a way to transition. That is the great challenge and I absolutely love it.

After watching the second one I have to say I agree with this statement. It has some good info, but it also has a very obvious agenda as we get to the end of it.

I did some quick research into the claims made at the beginning of the movie about Jesus and you are right. It does lack scholarship. There's too much exageration in some of their claims about Jesus and other gods who pre-dated him. However, I believe the information on the religious establishments (not the religious beliefs) is true. I did a lot of research on Catholicism years ago and it is not a pretty picture how the Catholic Church came about and then forced Christianity on the world.

If the guy just somehow gone around regarding the religious parts regarding Egypt, Sun-worshipping,Monotheism vs. Polytheism and the Abrahamic religions, Buddhism and Hinduism, the movie would have been more credible.

There are two problems I have found with the movie so far. The first is on their claim that the facts about Jesus have been copies from previous religions. I thought it was strange that I had never heard this since it's one of my interests.

Apparently, the movie gets most of these facts from one book in particular. This author has been discredited by historians who have looked at her book, some of whom were atheists, so they were not biased. The fact is that there are no pre-Christian stories or accouts of these mythological gods that have all the similarities to Jesus that the movie claims. Most of these stories were added AFTER Jesus so they probably copied Christianity.

Horus is the only one to contain any similarities, and even those are weak.

The other fact that I am concerned about is the one where they say that there is no law that forces us to pay income tax to the IRS. If that is the case, how did they put Al Capone in jail for tax evasion?

As far as the sections on 9/11 go, I am in full agreement with that and have found nothing in the way of good contraditory material. And, the info on the Federal Reserve is also true to my knowledge and very important for people to understand.

They force you to enter a contract when you sign up for payroll at work - you know that little sheet you fill out claiming how many dependents you want deducted for (your W-2)form? That's the contract in which you accept tax deductions. Once you have accepted that part - you have little to stand on.

The 16th amendment give them the right to institute an income tax.

What are your thoughts? I can give the link, it's a 2 hour doc. I really suggest EVERYONE watch this with a very open mind please. : )

Do not go in with expectations, just think of it as a learning experience.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#


It all makes sense now.

The stuff covered in Zeitgeist is just the tip of the iceburg. The rabbit hole goes much, much deeper

The following addressed the post above - has nothing to do with the poster - I'm just adding another point of view.

I only respond to the above for one purpose – research is a tool we all need to use and if you do not believe the basis of the Zeitgeist films you will have a pre-conceived bias toward the information that is being presented. So by all means research, because the information the Venus Project is presenting is worth viewing without bias or prejudice.

http://www.treasury.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml

If you read the information from the treasury dept you will find that taxes predominantly came into effect to support wars – most those employed simply never went away – the military money machine - but only grew with entitlements and other social benefits. Make no mistake governments are IN BUSINESS and their priority is to stay in business, it is not to serve the public interest – we are only dogs who are occasionally satiated with the throwing of a bone.

The 16th amendment is controversial at best and illegal at worst. Other information on the 16th amendment can be found on-line.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment16/01.html#2

I haven't seen the movie

I was gonna watch it but all the reviews I've found say that there is a lot of factual untruths and manipulation so I never watched it


“these are surreal perversions of genuine issues and debates, and they tarnish all criticism of faith, the Bush administration and globalization—there are more than enough factual injustices in this world to be going around without having to invent fictional ones."
-Irish Times

Some of what it asserts is true. Unfortunately, this material is liberally—and sloppily—mixed with material that is only partially true and much that is plainly and simply bogus. Zeitgeist is The Da Vinci Code on steroids.
-Skeptic Magazine

“The postmodernist belief in the relativism of truth, coupled to the clicker culture of mass media where attention spans are measured in New York minutes, leaves us with a bewildering array of truth claims packaged in infotainment units. It must be true—I saw it on television, at the movies, on the Internet, The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, That's Incredible, The Sixth Sense, Poltergeist, Loose Change, Zeitgeist the Movie.”
-Scientific American


A more severe overall treatment is given by Jane Chapman, a film producer and reader in media studies at the University of Lincoln, who analyzes Zeitgeist (“A fast-paced assemblage of agitprop”) as an example of unethical film-making.[27] She accuses Joseph of deceit through the use of unsourced and unreferenced assertions, and standard film-making propaganda techniques. While parts of the film are, she says, “comically” self-defeating, the nature of “twisted evidence” and the false attribution of Madrid bomb footage as being in London (which she calls a “lie”) amount to ethical abuse in sourcing (in later versions of the movie, a subtitle is added to this footage identifying it as from the Madrid bombings).
-wiki

Senior lecturer in Ancient History Chris Forbes of Macquarie University has severely criticized Part I of the movie as having no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, relying on amateur sources that "borrow ideas from each other, and who recycle the same silly stuff" and "not a single serious source" can be found in official reference lists attached to the movie.[28] Of the film he says "It is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true."[28]

Forbes claims there is no evidence in Egyptian sources saying that Horus' mother Isis was a virgin. Similarly, neither Krishna (the eighth son), Dionysus (whose mother had slept with Zeus) nor Attis were ever supposed born of virgins. He points out that "son" and "sun" are not homophonic words in either Latin, Ancient Egyptian, or Greek, and therefore no such misunderstanding would occur; that the December 25 birth is not part of any of the myths—including that of Jesus, for whom Christmas Day was appointed as a festival day in open knowledge that the real date was not known.

Dr. Forbes also criticizes the movie's use of Roman sources to suggest that Jesus didn't exist, noting that a long list flashed across the screen of supposed contemporary historians that did not mention Jesus is actually comprised of geographers, gardening writers, poets and philosophers, who should not be expected to mention him. The allegation that Josephus' mention of Jesus was added later is criticized as misleading. Josephus actually mentions Jesus twice, with only one reference believed by scholars to have been doctored in the Middle Ages but to change an already existing mention of him. He also argues that the film misrepresents Constantine when it presents him as making Christianity compulsory (when he only legalized it) and inventing the historical Jesus (when early church records show that the historicity of Jesus had been a key element of faith from early on).
-wiki

now these are not my opinions

just the reasons why I didnt watch it

While I watched both and I like "some" parts of it and make a lot of sense..

Anyone who studied about religion, western history and going all the way back to the times of the Babylonian empire- on university level- would quickly pick up on the false info given out.

If the guy just somehow gone around regarding the religious parts regarding Egypt, Sun-worshipping,Monotheism vs. Polytheism and the Abrahamic religions, Buddhism and Hinduism, the movie would have been more credible.

Why? Because that's the weakest part of the entire movie, the guy virtually did zero research, regarding how these religions developed and spread and what is real what is not, regarding scriptures and written materials.

Yes, I wish he had done that, too. Because there is a lot of good information later in the film. But, people don't get past the first part because of his bad information there.

I watched Zeitgeist shortly after its release - I was sooooo ticked off because I felt it was some crazy call to arms or activism without any focus or purpose. I even left a nasty email on the site at which I fist watched it.

A couple years later - still unable to get Zeitgeist out of my mind, I discovered "Zeitgeist Addendum" and that's what brought it all together.

You cannot watch one without the other and gain full comprehension of what is being shared.

I have joined the movement and follow it along. No matter what you walk away with from the movies I would HIGHLY recommend the folling websites as well.

Also check out "Designing the Future" by Jacque Fresco and absolutely take some time to listen to his radion interviews. He and his life partner have some amazing vision.

Fresco has designed actual working models for many of his ideas. Below are a couple other web sites from which to obtain more information and where I got the booklet and listened to Fresco and his partner.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Click on "In English"

Check the web site out and give a listen to the verbal interviews with Jacque Fresco. This too takes a while.


http://www.thevenusproject.com/
The Venus Project