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Topic: Be nice to the Extremists
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Thu 11/26/09 06:31 AM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 11/26/09 06:45 AM
It's about time to tell Hussein, Congress and all our Reps to get real and give these boys a hero's Party!

I would also like to suggest we boycott any business owned by Liberals and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.

Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.
Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.
Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.
Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.
Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.
The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.
FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.
The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.
"I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."
Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.
United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.
The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."
The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.
The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.
Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.
The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html

no photo
Thu 11/26/09 06:41 AM
Curious since obama pardoned a damn turkey will he pardon these guys. C'mon a busted lip? The terrorists are freaking laughing at us. As long at this political correctness continues we will lose the war against terror. When it's ok to cut the head off of someone by a terrorist but not ok for a soldier to punch a lip, we can expect to lose.
grumble

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Thu 11/26/09 07:12 AM


.. and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.




I sure glad we're not being EXTREME here. But I do have to say that it looks like that oft quoted old saw "...but I'd fight and die for your right to say it" is _right_ out the window.

What's next? Rightwing re-education camps?




-Kerry O.

no photo
Thu 11/26/09 07:14 AM



.. and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.




I sure glad we're not being EXTREME here. But I do have to say that it looks like that oft quoted old saw "...but I'd fight and die for your right to say it" is _right_ out the window.

What's next? Rightwing re-education camps?




-Kerry O.


Well we CAN thank the liberals for all this political correctness which in the end will help us lose the war on terror:wink: :thumbsup:

willing2's photo
Thu 11/26/09 07:26 AM



.. and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.




I sure glad we're not being EXTREME here. But I do have to say that it looks like that oft quoted old saw "...but I'd fight and die for your right to say it" is _right_ out the window.

What's next? Rightwing re-education camps?




-Kerry O.

Just sayin', **** for tats. We need to save America somehow and I'm offering a suggestion.

Hussein wants to censor conservative views. The Libs want to give our country away.

Kick 'em where it really hurts, in their pocketbooks.drinker

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 11/26/09 08:01 AM



.. and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.




I sure glad we're not being EXTREME here. But I do have to say that it looks like that oft quoted old saw "...but I'd fight and die for your right to say it" is _right_ out the window.

What's next? Rightwing re-education camps?




-Kerry O.laugh

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Thu 11/26/09 08:07 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 11/26/09 08:08 AM
Um, arent all basically charged with submitting FALSE documentation. Regardless if one agreed with their assault or not,,isnt THAT an offense that should be discouraged in the service where mens lives are in the hands of others. When it comes to keeping records, shouldnt we encourage an open and honest atmosphere in such a situation. I dont see how they can be excused for such a violation in a career that is founded on obedience. I dont know how harsh or lenient the consequence should be,,but yeah, there needs to be a consequence.

willing2's photo
Thu 11/26/09 08:29 AM

Um, arent all basically charged with submitting FALSE documentation. Regardless if one agreed with their assault or not,,isnt THAT an offense that should be discouraged in the service where mens lives are in the hands of others. When it comes to keeping records, shouldnt we encourage an open and honest atmosphere in such a situation. I dont see how they can be excused for such a violation in a career that is founded on obedience. I dont know how harsh or lenient the consequence should be,,but yeah, there needs to be a consequence.


I think your statement is a bit two-faced.
You want consequences for these boys not keeping records straight but, when it comes to Obummers crew falsifying records on created or saved jobs and creating districts that don't exist, you make excuses for them. Prejudice comes to mind.grumble

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Thu 11/26/09 08:32 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Thu 11/26/09 08:32 AM
I'm not so concerned with the pummeling of a prisoner during an arrest

its happened to me before. it just happens

but making false official statements troubles me. They arent allowed to do that

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/26/09 08:34 AM


Um, arent all basically charged with submitting FALSE documentation. Regardless if one agreed with their assault or not,,isnt THAT an offense that should be discouraged in the service where mens lives are in the hands of others. When it comes to keeping records, shouldnt we encourage an open and honest atmosphere in such a situation. I dont see how they can be excused for such a violation in a career that is founded on obedience. I dont know how harsh or lenient the consequence should be,,but yeah, there needs to be a consequence.


I think your statement is a bit two-faced.
You want consequences for these boys not keeping records straight but, when it comes to Obummers crew falsifying records on created or saved jobs and creating districts that don't exist, you make excuses for them. Prejudice comes to mind.grumble


Except there is no PROOF Of falsified records.

LashV1200's photo
Thu 11/26/09 08:38 AM
Oh, National Socialist Workers’ Party? Those who had not been fast enough to commit suicide have been hung on piano strings.

KerryO's photo
Thu 11/26/09 08:56 AM




.. and fire any employee who is found out to be Liberal. They are the ones supporting Pro-Extreme Muslim and Bobble-Head Obummer. We can support America by not supporting them financially.




I sure glad we're not being EXTREME here. But I do have to say that it looks like that oft quoted old saw "...but I'd fight and die for your right to say it" is _right_ out the window.

What's next? Rightwing re-education camps?




-Kerry O.

Just sayin', **** for tats. We need to save America somehow and I'm offering a suggestion.

Hussein wants to censor conservative views. The Libs want to give our country away.

Kick 'em where it really hurts, in their pocketbooks.drinker


And I'm just saying, the tactic being used, to draw a line in the sand and say there is no middle ground and then use coercion against everyone on the other side of that line is just as extremist as that which you condemn.

Time to tell the truth now: Do you REALLY want to live in a country where someone who does a good job can be fired just because of their perceived political view?

Last time I checked, your conservative views weren't being censored on this board-- it's full of them.

-Kerry O.

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:12 AM
liberal

conservative

it's all the same to me

O'Reilly, smirkingchimp, Limbaugh, Olberman, moveon

they are all heads and tails of the same coin

people who want to force Americans to live according to THEIR vision

KerryO's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:15 AM



Well we CAN thank the liberals for all this political correctness which in the end will help us lose the war on terror:wink: :thumbsup:


The nice thing about shadow boxing is that nothing much really happens and as long as there is light, there is always a reason to keep doing it.

The downside is that crying wolf ad nauseum causes a loss in credibility, especially when it's used to stay in denial about other more pressing issues.

That's why the GOP 'got a thumpin' in '06 and '08, not because of political correctness. People rightly perceived the GOP lost touch with their realities in favor of crusades in foreign lands that have no exit strategies.


-Kerry O.

Atlantis75's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:16 AM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Thu 11/26/09 09:21 AM

liberal

conservative

it's all the same to me

O'Reilly, smirkingchimp, Limbaugh, Olberman, moveon

they are all heads and tails of the same coin

people who want to force Americans to live according to THEIR vision


mainstream media. There are times when I advise everyone not to watch news.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. ~Thomas Jefferson


Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:18 AM
there is no such thing as news anymore

I can't find a news source that doesn't manipulate the context and syntax to push a point of view

Atlantis75's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:23 AM

there is no such thing as news anymore

I can't find a news source that doesn't manipulate the context and syntax to push a point of view


here it is, what i want to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 11/26/09 09:33 AM
hahaha that was a cool movie

and about thirty years ahead of its time

RKISIT's photo
Thu 11/26/09 10:16 AM
has anybody ever thought the war on terrorism will never be won,as long as people will die for a cause or belief there will be terrorism.....so what if they catch a big time terrorist theres 1,000,000 more waiting in line,and Bush plus his advisors feel for the oldest trick in the book,"we wont go to the dogs ,we make the dogs come to us"...so now they have easy access to our troops being over there.....


as for a american soilder punching a terroist im more upset that the soilder didn't kill him.....the war on terrorism is like the war on drugs,a losing and costly battle

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 11/26/09 10:18 AM

has anybody ever thought the war on terrorism will never be won,as long as people will die for a cause or belief there will be terrorism.....so what if they catch a big time terrorist theres 1,000,000 more waiting in line,and Bush plus his advisors feel for the oldest trick in the book,"we wont go to the dogs ,we make the dogs come to us"...so now they have easy access to our troops being over there.....


as for a american soilder punching a terroist im more upset that the soilder didn't kill him.....the war on terrorism is like the war on drugs,a losing and costly battle



people tend to forget

terrorism isnt a cause or a people

its a tactic

the cause we are fighting is Jihad declared by extreme Muslims

we didnt declare war on them. They declared war on us. They dont care if we are liberal or conservative

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