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Topic: I despise Islam
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Fri 11/20/09 11:43 AM







The real question was not about Islam really only pointing out that people dont feel the need to come into this thread and rant and rave about Islam only Christianity! The reason being in my opinion is there is open bigotry against Christianity because of politic's nothing more!


there is open bigotry agains christianity because of many things having nothing to do with politics as well. i despise christianity as i despise all religion not just islam. but what does it matter that bigotry agains any religion is political? expressions of bigotry are permitted in this country are they not?

The evidence of that is based on there are few differences between the two "Islam and Christianity", stark differences yes but they are similar! So don't hate Christianity because politicians use it as a tool, just understand people have a right to freedom of religon!


of course. i don't hate christianity because polititions tell me i should. many politians are among the christian right wing afterall. i hate christianity and all religion for the harm it causes humanity.



yeah, what he said.


and how do you feel about the harm caused throughout history by those OPPOSED to religion or without religion?,I dont think any group can exclude themselves from the accusation of past atrocities.


Yes, every geno type, every ethnicity, every belief system, can be shown to have committed some "harm".
However, I would submit that more lasting "harm" has been commited in the name of some godthing than any other thing.


I have yet to see the atheists bomb a church or wage a religious war to unreligiousize the world. I have yet to see atheists use the excuse the devil made them do something and ask for forgiveness on Sunday at church and all is cool. Or the crazy belief that man is inheritly evil without god to control his life.slaphead

Atheists believe they are responsible for themselves from beginning to end and therefore in my experience they act more morally than any religious person I have met. They are more self responsible because they have noone to blame for their life but themselves.


why, Thank You.flowers

on the other hand...hmmm...wage a religious war to unreligiousize the world, as you say. hmmmm...thx for the idea!:banana: rofl


surprisednoway:wink: rofl

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Fri 11/20/09 11:45 AM
Edited by Tribbles on Fri 11/20/09 11:51 AM
Let ye who live without sin..cast the first stone
I believe people should believe whatever they want to believe.....

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Fri 11/20/09 11:55 AM

Let ye who live without sin..cast the first stone
I believe people should believe whatever they want to believe.....

True as long as they do not force others to follow their beliefs .
drinker drinker .

tohyup's photo
Fri 11/20/09 11:55 AM

Let ye who live without sin..cast the first stone
I believe people should believe whatever they want to believe.....

True as long as they do not force others to follow their beliefs .
drinker drinker .

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Sat 11/21/09 01:04 AM


Let ye who live without sin..cast the first stone
I believe people should believe whatever they want to believe.....

True as long as they do not force others to follow their beliefs .
drinker drinker .


Tohyup, can you ever not do a double post?
rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sat 11/21/09 01:16 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/21/09 01:17 AM



msharmony wrote:

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.


But what you're talking about isn't truly Christianity.

You're talking about Jesusfreakism.

True Christianity believes that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. Yahweh is the real God of true Christianity, not Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God, not the God himself.

In true Christianity Jesus is viewed as "The Christ". This is why it's called Christianity and not Jesusianity.

In true Christianity Yahweh remains the top God. Even the gospels have Jesus proclaiming this, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

He was supposedly referring to the Torah (or Old Testament) here. In other words, the ways commandments and directives of Yahweh shall in no way be dismissed.

So you can't just ask, "What would Jesus do". Because according to this orthodox religious view Jesus would look up what Yahweh said to do, and do that, if you can trust Matthew 5:18 (the quote from Jesus I just gave above).

So all you're truly saying is that you reject Christianity in favor of being a Jesus Freak.

Many so-called "Christians" do indeed take this stance. The very term "Chruchianity" was coined by Christians who prefer to define Jesus for themselves and reject orthodox views.

In fact, the whole "Protestant" movement is based on protesting the orthodox religion. Can Protestantism truly be said to even be "Christianity" anymore? They seem to play down the idea of Jesus being "The Christ" and instead view him as a rebel who rebelled against the ways of Yahweh.

I personally believe that this is precisely why many people find Christianity attractive over Judaism and Islam because, in Jesus, they have someone who rejected the nasty ways of Yahweh.

I could follow the moral teachings of Jesus with no problem at all. In fact, insofar as I know I always have without even thinking about it, because Jesus basically preached the same things that I naturally feel. Like when he was against stoning the woman at the well. I wouldn't be among the idiots who wanted to stone her in the first place.

In fact, who's idea was it to stone people to death in the first place? It was Yahweh's command!

Like Jesus, I would have ignored the teachings of Yahweh too!

I'm convinced that Jesus was a mortal man not unlike myself. He taught against the horrible commandments of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was a heathen in that regard.

I can't call myself a "Christian" because I don't believe that Jesus was "The Christ". I see no reason to believe that he was the son of Yahweh.

Also, if you ask, "What would Jesus do?" you can just as easily ask, "What would Buddha do?". You'll come up with the same answer to either question. I personally prefer to ask myself, "What would I do?". Then I know I'll do the right thing every time. flowerforyou




I wasnt aware of your belief of what 'true christianity' is so I cannot refute your perceptions of that. I am responding about what my baptist faith (a christian religion) instilled in me. I can ask what would Jesus do, precisely because he followed the guidance of GOD. HE was here as an example, and it is in that sense that I ask what he would do. As far as the name of God , yahweh, or jehovah, there are many interpretations of what that should be.I believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and based upon the example he set while he was on this earth, violence and hatefulness would not be a part of the lives of his truest believers.


Babtist, eh? I've known a few Babtists. Their primary belief seems to be something like "you can do absolutely anything you want, just as long as you get forgiven for it Sunday". I've even known one that claimed (and I swear this is an accurate quote), "I'm not a christian. I'm a BABTIST."
In that stupid redneck hick town I grew up in, there were quite a few good babtist KKK members, too. I used to get into fights with them all the time, defending people who weren't white. And I know for a fact, they were all in church every Sunday.


The church is a building if you dont utilize the resources inside, you wont reap the seed that is sewn there. Plenty of people go to school too, doesnt mean they will all learn.

As far as primary belief, I was never taught I could do anything I want and never believed it. I believe instead, that I have to try to live a life pleasing to God , and when I fall, I have the option to repent(sincerely) and try again. Just like with my earthly mother and father,, they had rules which I was taught to abide but I also knew that if and when I messed up, I was to correct the situation and do better and they would still love me. This is a long stretch from feeling like I can do whatever I want,,

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Sat 11/21/09 01:21 AM



From the OP:

Is it okay to openly make bigoted statemnets against a group of people?


Well, Christians do this all the time. They are vehemently against same-gender lovers, for example, they call them "sinners" and refuse to recognize their human right to love each other as a couple.

I imagine that Islam is somewhate similar.

All religions that are based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads should be banned as far as I'm concerned. So that would inclued Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and anything else that is based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads.

I denounce the whole Mediterranean mythology thing as being a highly egotistical hate crime. I think historically they have shown that they aren't any better than Adolf Hitler's.

Look at all the innocent midwives they tortured and burned alive at the stake in the name of Jesus Christ.

The idea that anyone would associate with such a disgusting religion today is, in my mind, unthinkable, yet look at how many people support that horrible heartless ungodly religion.

It's disgusting.

And I feel that as a human being who has to live on the same planet with those hateful people I should have the right to voice my views. After all, in my mind, they are criminals supporting and preaching hate crimes.

I speak out against the demomic religions they worship in the same way that I would speak out against cancer. It needs to be stamped out.

Thoese kinds of religions that are based on hateful egotistical gods who lust to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over all nations are inherently nothing by fascist politics disguised as "religion".

They are nothing more than political movements trying to hide behind the pretense that they speak for some 'divine being'. But the truth of the matter is that there is nothing 'divine' about the hatred and bigotry they spread.

Those kinds of religions (with egotistical jealous godheads) are just fascism in disguise. And that include the whole batch that grew out of the Mediterranean region. They all claim to worship the same egotistical godhead, yet they all claim that their godhead is different from the others.

It's just a very grusome fascism that is being passed off as various religions. There's nothing divine about any of them. They all spread hate and bigotry towards anyone who doesn't worship their dogma.

They are all about worshiping books. Books filled with bigotry and lies.

As a human being on planet Earth who has to live with these hateful people I feel I should have every right to speak out against the atrocities they support and preach.



Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.

As far as human rights, there are many man assigned human rights that are sin. It is a human right to lie, to deceive, to covet and none of this means that these things can therefore not be sins. We have human rights because of the gift of free will, but not every right is righteous and aknowleding that is not hateful unless harm is wished upon the one who sins,,which I would hope christians wouldnt do if they truly are following christs example. We are to pray for others sins and our own, not condemn our neighbor.


Even Jesus was quoted as saying, "I come not to make peace, but with a sword."

umm...I've never heard of anyone having the right to lie cheat and steal. Where do you get this?


Example, our right to fair trial is considered a human right. In a trial, defense attorneys can choose which information to include and which to exclude ( lie by omission). There are things that fall under human rights that are still not RIGHTEOUS things to do.

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Sat 11/21/09 06:59 AM

Example, our right to fair trial is considered a human right. In a trial, defense attorneys can choose which information to include and which to exclude ( lie by omission). There are things that fall under human rights that are still not RIGHTEOUS things to do.


i think you're confusing rights with laws. in this country the constitution protects your right to a fair trial. the constitution is law. you can go to saudi arabia and you'll not be afforded the right to a fair trial or at least not what we consider to be a fair trial. likewise, women share equal rights with men in this country. you have every right to drive a car as i do if you can obtain a drivers lisence. your equal rights are protected by the forteenth amendment. you lose the right to drive if you go to saudi arabia. the government there has abridged your natural born rights that are equal to a man.

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Sat 11/21/09 08:42 AM


Example, our right to fair trial is considered a human right. In a trial, defense attorneys can choose which information to include and which to exclude ( lie by omission). There are things that fall under human rights that are still not RIGHTEOUS things to do.


i think you're confusing rights with laws. in this country the constitution protects your right to a fair trial. the constitution is law. you can go to saudi arabia and you'll not be afforded the right to a fair trial or at least not what we consider to be a fair trial. likewise, women share equal rights with men in this country. you have every right to drive a car as i do if you can obtain a drivers lisence. your equal rights are protected by the forteenth amendment. you lose the right to drive if you go to saudi arabia. the government there has abridged your natural born rights that are equal to a man.



Well, I think the term human rights is a misnomer BECAUSE it is decided by cultural laws. IN america,, the right to fair trial can and often does fall under the category of human right ,,from Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy..

"Human rights are international norms that help to protect all people everywhere from severe political, legal, and social abuses. Examples of human rights are the right to freedom of religion, the right to a fair trial when charged with a crime, the right not to be tortured, and the right to engage in political activity."


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Sat 11/21/09 08:58 AM



Example, our right to fair trial is considered a human right. In a trial, defense attorneys can choose which information to include and which to exclude ( lie by omission). There are things that fall under human rights that are still not RIGHTEOUS things to do.


i think you're confusing rights with laws. in this country the constitution protects your right to a fair trial. the constitution is law. you can go to saudi arabia and you'll not be afforded the right to a fair trial or at least not what we consider to be a fair trial. likewise, women share equal rights with men in this country. you have every right to drive a car as i do if you can obtain a drivers lisence. your equal rights are protected by the forteenth amendment. you lose the right to drive if you go to saudi arabia. the government there has abridged your natural born rights that are equal to a man.



Well, I think the term human rights is a misnomer BECAUSE it is decided by cultural laws. IN america,, the right to fair trial can and often does fall under the category of human right ,,from Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy..

"Human rights are international norms that help to protect all people everywhere from severe political, legal, and social abuses. Examples of human rights are the right to freedom of religion, the right to a fair trial when charged with a crime, the right not to be tortured, and the right to engage in political activity."




but here again, even your encyclopedia has it wrong in my view. "Human rights are international norms"? is anything a norm when considering the scores of nations that exist? we can stay with the US and saudi arabia for example or bring china into the discussion if you wish. if china has more people than any other country, does that population not go along way in determining what is the norm? if so then the norm does little " to protect all people everywhere from severe plitical, legal and social abuses".

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Sat 11/21/09 02:41 PM




msharmony wrote:

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.


But what you're talking about isn't truly Christianity.

You're talking about Jesusfreakism.

True Christianity believes that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. Yahweh is the real God of true Christianity, not Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God, not the God himself.

In true Christianity Jesus is viewed as "The Christ". This is why it's called Christianity and not Jesusianity.

In true Christianity Yahweh remains the top God. Even the gospels have Jesus proclaiming this, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

He was supposedly referring to the Torah (or Old Testament) here. In other words, the ways commandments and directives of Yahweh shall in no way be dismissed.

So you can't just ask, "What would Jesus do". Because according to this orthodox religious view Jesus would look up what Yahweh said to do, and do that, if you can trust Matthew 5:18 (the quote from Jesus I just gave above).

So all you're truly saying is that you reject Christianity in favor of being a Jesus Freak.

Many so-called "Christians" do indeed take this stance. The very term "Chruchianity" was coined by Christians who prefer to define Jesus for themselves and reject orthodox views.

In fact, the whole "Protestant" movement is based on protesting the orthodox religion. Can Protestantism truly be said to even be "Christianity" anymore? They seem to play down the idea of Jesus being "The Christ" and instead view him as a rebel who rebelled against the ways of Yahweh.

I personally believe that this is precisely why many people find Christianity attractive over Judaism and Islam because, in Jesus, they have someone who rejected the nasty ways of Yahweh.

I could follow the moral teachings of Jesus with no problem at all. In fact, insofar as I know I always have without even thinking about it, because Jesus basically preached the same things that I naturally feel. Like when he was against stoning the woman at the well. I wouldn't be among the idiots who wanted to stone her in the first place.

In fact, who's idea was it to stone people to death in the first place? It was Yahweh's command!

Like Jesus, I would have ignored the teachings of Yahweh too!

I'm convinced that Jesus was a mortal man not unlike myself. He taught against the horrible commandments of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was a heathen in that regard.

I can't call myself a "Christian" because I don't believe that Jesus was "The Christ". I see no reason to believe that he was the son of Yahweh.

Also, if you ask, "What would Jesus do?" you can just as easily ask, "What would Buddha do?". You'll come up with the same answer to either question. I personally prefer to ask myself, "What would I do?". Then I know I'll do the right thing every time. flowerforyou




I wasnt aware of your belief of what 'true christianity' is so I cannot refute your perceptions of that. I am responding about what my baptist faith (a christian religion) instilled in me. I can ask what would Jesus do, precisely because he followed the guidance of GOD. HE was here as an example, and it is in that sense that I ask what he would do. As far as the name of God , yahweh, or jehovah, there are many interpretations of what that should be.I believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and based upon the example he set while he was on this earth, violence and hatefulness would not be a part of the lives of his truest believers.


Babtist, eh? I've known a few Babtists. Their primary belief seems to be something like "you can do absolutely anything you want, just as long as you get forgiven for it Sunday". I've even known one that claimed (and I swear this is an accurate quote), "I'm not a christian. I'm a BABTIST."
In that stupid redneck hick town I grew up in, there were quite a few good babtist KKK members, too. I used to get into fights with them all the time, defending people who weren't white. And I know for a fact, they were all in church every Sunday.


The church is a building if you dont utilize the resources inside, you wont reap the seed that is sewn there. Plenty of people go to school too, doesnt mean they will all learn.

As far as primary belief, I was never taught I could do anything I want and never believed it. I believe instead, that I have to try to live a life pleasing to God , and when I fall, I have the option to repent(sincerely) and try again. Just like with my earthly mother and father,, they had rules which I was taught to abide but I also knew that if and when I messed up, I was to correct the situation and do better and they would still love me. This is a long stretch from feeling like I can do whatever I want,,


I'm going to state for the record that my opinion of you is that you're probably a good and decent person.
However, it is a bit perverse, in my opinion, seeing someone with dark skin claiming the title of "babtist". It's a little like seeing a jewish nazi. I've gotten into more fights, physical and otherwise, defending blacks, hispanics, and american indians, with babtists than any other group. Other people, I've been in battle with babtists over would be women and homosexuals.
Because I would not stand for injustice, their pet name for me was "Satan-worshiping n*gger-loving f*ggot.
Your group, your church, may all be good and kind people. However, my experiences have, I'm afraid, forever soured me on Babtists.

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Sat 11/21/09 02:46 PM




From the OP:

Is it okay to openly make bigoted statemnets against a group of people?


Well, Christians do this all the time. They are vehemently against same-gender lovers, for example, they call them "sinners" and refuse to recognize their human right to love each other as a couple.

I imagine that Islam is somewhate similar.

All religions that are based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads should be banned as far as I'm concerned. So that would inclued Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and anything else that is based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads.

I denounce the whole Mediterranean mythology thing as being a highly egotistical hate crime. I think historically they have shown that they aren't any better than Adolf Hitler's.

Look at all the innocent midwives they tortured and burned alive at the stake in the name of Jesus Christ.

The idea that anyone would associate with such a disgusting religion today is, in my mind, unthinkable, yet look at how many people support that horrible heartless ungodly religion.

It's disgusting.

And I feel that as a human being who has to live on the same planet with those hateful people I should have the right to voice my views. After all, in my mind, they are criminals supporting and preaching hate crimes.

I speak out against the demomic religions they worship in the same way that I would speak out against cancer. It needs to be stamped out.

Thoese kinds of religions that are based on hateful egotistical gods who lust to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over all nations are inherently nothing by fascist politics disguised as "religion".

They are nothing more than political movements trying to hide behind the pretense that they speak for some 'divine being'. But the truth of the matter is that there is nothing 'divine' about the hatred and bigotry they spread.

Those kinds of religions (with egotistical jealous godheads) are just fascism in disguise. And that include the whole batch that grew out of the Mediterranean region. They all claim to worship the same egotistical godhead, yet they all claim that their godhead is different from the others.

It's just a very grusome fascism that is being passed off as various religions. There's nothing divine about any of them. They all spread hate and bigotry towards anyone who doesn't worship their dogma.

They are all about worshiping books. Books filled with bigotry and lies.

As a human being on planet Earth who has to live with these hateful people I feel I should have every right to speak out against the atrocities they support and preach.



Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.

As far as human rights, there are many man assigned human rights that are sin. It is a human right to lie, to deceive, to covet and none of this means that these things can therefore not be sins. We have human rights because of the gift of free will, but not every right is righteous and aknowleding that is not hateful unless harm is wished upon the one who sins,,which I would hope christians wouldnt do if they truly are following christs example. We are to pray for others sins and our own, not condemn our neighbor.


Even Jesus was quoted as saying, "I come not to make peace, but with a sword."

umm...I've never heard of anyone having the right to lie cheat and steal. Where do you get this?


Example, our right to fair trial is considered a human right. In a trial, defense attorneys can choose which information to include and which to exclude ( lie by omission). There are things that fall under human rights that are still not RIGHTEOUS things to do.


actually, I believe there's something called "discovery". It's where both sides are supposed to share their information.

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Sat 11/21/09 07:41 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/21/09 07:42 PM





msharmony wrote:

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.


But what you're talking about isn't truly Christianity.

You're talking about Jesusfreakism.

True Christianity believes that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. Yahweh is the real God of true Christianity, not Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God, not the God himself.

In true Christianity Jesus is viewed as "The Christ". This is why it's called Christianity and not Jesusianity.

In true Christianity Yahweh remains the top God. Even the gospels have Jesus proclaiming this, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

He was supposedly referring to the Torah (or Old Testament) here. In other words, the ways commandments and directives of Yahweh shall in no way be dismissed.

So you can't just ask, "What would Jesus do". Because according to this orthodox religious view Jesus would look up what Yahweh said to do, and do that, if you can trust Matthew 5:18 (the quote from Jesus I just gave above).

So all you're truly saying is that you reject Christianity in favor of being a Jesus Freak.

Many so-called "Christians" do indeed take this stance. The very term "Chruchianity" was coined by Christians who prefer to define Jesus for themselves and reject orthodox views.

In fact, the whole "Protestant" movement is based on protesting the orthodox religion. Can Protestantism truly be said to even be "Christianity" anymore? They seem to play down the idea of Jesus being "The Christ" and instead view him as a rebel who rebelled against the ways of Yahweh.

I personally believe that this is precisely why many people find Christianity attractive over Judaism and Islam because, in Jesus, they have someone who rejected the nasty ways of Yahweh.

I could follow the moral teachings of Jesus with no problem at all. In fact, insofar as I know I always have without even thinking about it, because Jesus basically preached the same things that I naturally feel. Like when he was against stoning the woman at the well. I wouldn't be among the idiots who wanted to stone her in the first place.

In fact, who's idea was it to stone people to death in the first place? It was Yahweh's command!

Like Jesus, I would have ignored the teachings of Yahweh too!

I'm convinced that Jesus was a mortal man not unlike myself. He taught against the horrible commandments of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was a heathen in that regard.

I can't call myself a "Christian" because I don't believe that Jesus was "The Christ". I see no reason to believe that he was the son of Yahweh.

Also, if you ask, "What would Jesus do?" you can just as easily ask, "What would Buddha do?". You'll come up with the same answer to either question. I personally prefer to ask myself, "What would I do?". Then I know I'll do the right thing every time. flowerforyou




I wasnt aware of your belief of what 'true christianity' is so I cannot refute your perceptions of that. I am responding about what my baptist faith (a christian religion) instilled in me. I can ask what would Jesus do, precisely because he followed the guidance of GOD. HE was here as an example, and it is in that sense that I ask what he would do. As far as the name of God , yahweh, or jehovah, there are many interpretations of what that should be.I believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and based upon the example he set while he was on this earth, violence and hatefulness would not be a part of the lives of his truest believers.


Babtist, eh? I've known a few Babtists. Their primary belief seems to be something like "you can do absolutely anything you want, just as long as you get forgiven for it Sunday". I've even known one that claimed (and I swear this is an accurate quote), "I'm not a christian. I'm a BABTIST."
In that stupid redneck hick town I grew up in, there were quite a few good babtist KKK members, too. I used to get into fights with them all the time, defending people who weren't white. And I know for a fact, they were all in church every Sunday.


The church is a building if you dont utilize the resources inside, you wont reap the seed that is sewn there. Plenty of people go to school too, doesnt mean they will all learn.

As far as primary belief, I was never taught I could do anything I want and never believed it. I believe instead, that I have to try to live a life pleasing to God , and when I fall, I have the option to repent(sincerely) and try again. Just like with my earthly mother and father,, they had rules which I was taught to abide but I also knew that if and when I messed up, I was to correct the situation and do better and they would still love me. This is a long stretch from feeling like I can do whatever I want,,


I'm going to state for the record that my opinion of you is that you're probably a good and decent person.
However, it is a bit perverse, in my opinion, seeing someone with dark skin claiming the title of "babtist". It's a little like seeing a jewish nazi. I've gotten into more fights, physical and otherwise, defending blacks, hispanics, and american indians, with babtists than any other group. Other people, I've been in battle with babtists over would be women and homosexuals.
Because I would not stand for injustice, their pet name for me was "Satan-worshiping n*gger-loving f*ggot.
Your group, your church, may all be good and kind people. However, my experiences have, I'm afraid, forever soured me on Babtists.



That is fair enough, all we have to form our opinions on our own perceptions and experiences. During my life, the majority of baptists I have known have had skin like mine, actually and most the churches I have attended have been a majority of people with skin like mine. I am forty and lived in the midwest , perhaps it is generational or regional what one's experience is. I was raised baptist but had extended family which were Jehovah Witness and I took valuable morals from each, I believe. I think there are good parts of every religion and there are those in every religion that will find ways to twist it in the ways that can excuse their 'sins'.

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Sun 11/22/09 12:35 PM






msharmony wrote:

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.


But what you're talking about isn't truly Christianity.

You're talking about Jesusfreakism.

True Christianity believes that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. Yahweh is the real God of true Christianity, not Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God, not the God himself.

In true Christianity Jesus is viewed as "The Christ". This is why it's called Christianity and not Jesusianity.

In true Christianity Yahweh remains the top God. Even the gospels have Jesus proclaiming this, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

He was supposedly referring to the Torah (or Old Testament) here. In other words, the ways commandments and directives of Yahweh shall in no way be dismissed.

So you can't just ask, "What would Jesus do". Because according to this orthodox religious view Jesus would look up what Yahweh said to do, and do that, if you can trust Matthew 5:18 (the quote from Jesus I just gave above).

So all you're truly saying is that you reject Christianity in favor of being a Jesus Freak.

Many so-called "Christians" do indeed take this stance. The very term "Chruchianity" was coined by Christians who prefer to define Jesus for themselves and reject orthodox views.

In fact, the whole "Protestant" movement is based on protesting the orthodox religion. Can Protestantism truly be said to even be "Christianity" anymore? They seem to play down the idea of Jesus being "The Christ" and instead view him as a rebel who rebelled against the ways of Yahweh.

I personally believe that this is precisely why many people find Christianity attractive over Judaism and Islam because, in Jesus, they have someone who rejected the nasty ways of Yahweh.

I could follow the moral teachings of Jesus with no problem at all. In fact, insofar as I know I always have without even thinking about it, because Jesus basically preached the same things that I naturally feel. Like when he was against stoning the woman at the well. I wouldn't be among the idiots who wanted to stone her in the first place.

In fact, who's idea was it to stone people to death in the first place? It was Yahweh's command!

Like Jesus, I would have ignored the teachings of Yahweh too!

I'm convinced that Jesus was a mortal man not unlike myself. He taught against the horrible commandments of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was a heathen in that regard.

I can't call myself a "Christian" because I don't believe that Jesus was "The Christ". I see no reason to believe that he was the son of Yahweh.

Also, if you ask, "What would Jesus do?" you can just as easily ask, "What would Buddha do?". You'll come up with the same answer to either question. I personally prefer to ask myself, "What would I do?". Then I know I'll do the right thing every time. flowerforyou




I wasnt aware of your belief of what 'true christianity' is so I cannot refute your perceptions of that. I am responding about what my baptist faith (a christian religion) instilled in me. I can ask what would Jesus do, precisely because he followed the guidance of GOD. HE was here as an example, and it is in that sense that I ask what he would do. As far as the name of God , yahweh, or jehovah, there are many interpretations of what that should be.I believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and based upon the example he set while he was on this earth, violence and hatefulness would not be a part of the lives of his truest believers.


Babtist, eh? I've known a few Babtists. Their primary belief seems to be something like "you can do absolutely anything you want, just as long as you get forgiven for it Sunday". I've even known one that claimed (and I swear this is an accurate quote), "I'm not a christian. I'm a BABTIST."
In that stupid redneck hick town I grew up in, there were quite a few good babtist KKK members, too. I used to get into fights with them all the time, defending people who weren't white. And I know for a fact, they were all in church every Sunday.


The church is a building if you dont utilize the resources inside, you wont reap the seed that is sewn there. Plenty of people go to school too, doesnt mean they will all learn.

As far as primary belief, I was never taught I could do anything I want and never believed it. I believe instead, that I have to try to live a life pleasing to God , and when I fall, I have the option to repent(sincerely) and try again. Just like with my earthly mother and father,, they had rules which I was taught to abide but I also knew that if and when I messed up, I was to correct the situation and do better and they would still love me. This is a long stretch from feeling like I can do whatever I want,,


I'm going to state for the record that my opinion of you is that you're probably a good and decent person.
However, it is a bit perverse, in my opinion, seeing someone with dark skin claiming the title of "babtist". It's a little like seeing a jewish nazi. I've gotten into more fights, physical and otherwise, defending blacks, hispanics, and american indians, with babtists than any other group. Other people, I've been in battle with babtists over would be women and homosexuals.
Because I would not stand for injustice, their pet name for me was "Satan-worshiping n*gger-loving f*ggot.
Your group, your church, may all be good and kind people. However, my experiences have, I'm afraid, forever soured me on Babtists.



That is fair enough, all we have to form our opinions on our own perceptions and experiences. During my life, the majority of baptists I have known have had skin like mine, actually and most the churches I have attended have been a majority of people with skin like mine. I am forty and lived in the midwest , perhaps it is generational or regional what one's experience is. I was raised baptist but had extended family which were Jehovah Witness and I took valuable morals from each, I believe. I think there are good parts of every religion and there are those in every religion that will find ways to twist it in the ways that can excuse their 'sins'.


I also turned my back on almost my entire outer family for similar reasons. They being of various brands of christianity but having one thing in common, most of them were God fearing, bible thumping Klanners and Nazis. I quit having anything to do w/ them as soon as I was old enough to understand what they were all about. Some 30 yrs ago or so.
I'm 42 and live in the midwest. Our generations and regions are probably not too disimilar. And it seems like you've experienced some of the crap that I've fought against since I was 12 that is so prevalent in this part of the world. Else why would most of the babtists you've known be of similar skin color? Pity that. Humanity is best served by mixing geno-types and cultures as much as possible.

I get my morals from empathy, logic and reason. Yes, there are good parts in a lot of religions, however, it is my opinion that the bad in most religions or the bad way most religions are used far out weigh any good. Pity that too.

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