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Topic: How to disappear.
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Sun 11/15/09 07:22 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 11/15/09 07:23 PM
No, I'm not talking about human invisibility, I'm talking about becoming a non-person or fugitive in today's (and tomorrow's world of technology.)

Let's say you don't want to be found. Big brother is after you, and Black Ops wants you dead. How would you suddenly disappear?

Let's say the world's worse criminal organization is after you. The COMPANY is after you... you just found out.. what do you do, where do you go?








LaMuerte's photo
Sun 11/15/09 08:12 PM
You get caught. Even if one has more resources than the average person, you'd have to stay in the country, around familiar people, and in familiar territory, in which case you'd be found and killed inevitably.

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 08:24 PM
Edited by causality on Sun 11/15/09 08:30 PM
First thing is first, liquidate all available assets into cash. Destroy any credit cards, and empty any bank accounts. The first thing you will need after that, is a new identity. Birth and death records pre-1979 or so for infants is where to look for a infant that died under 1 year old. (They will have birth certificates, but not a death one on file from that time-frame) Once you find the baby you will become, you get a registered copy of the birth certificate of said child. Once you have that birth certificate and some other identification documents (like a new Social Security number, and a library card) you can then get a valid (new) ID using this false identity. (Sort of how they did it in the Highlander series) Use this new ID to get a passport if you must leave the country. Be careful to avoid airports and transit centers that are used by the public, as those are all monitored heavily. Use a small airport, and hire a private plane. Never pay for anything except using cash only. Much less of a paper trail that way. I also recommend obtaining a weapon, as the people after you will be armed, and not hesitate to use them. The best way to really get away though, is to simply leave this world for a different one by journeying through the medium of awareness. (added note) This information is for informational and hypothetical situations only. I do not condone fraud.

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Sun 11/15/09 08:38 PM
I knew a guy who lived the hobo life style and loved it. The I.R.S. was looking for him for back taxes but they were years behind him. He could disappear among the homeless.

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 08:40 PM
Homeless wanderer is the common way to fly below radar.

windwalker65's photo
Sun 11/15/09 08:44 PM
Its call (going off the grid for good) Casualty had the basics down good ,but there is more to it I have been anonymous before for about 3 years, If you do not have a plan I can GARANTEE these things.
1. You will have little to NO shelter.
2. You will have a diificult time NOT being found.
3. You will have no access to anything if an emergency arives ie. you get sick or injured.
4. you will be HUNGRY AND ALONE.

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Sun 11/15/09 08:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 11/15/09 08:53 PM
I lived off the radar for a while too. I lived with friends, I had no car registered in my name, no bank account, no utilities in my name, and I worked minimum wage jobs and walked to work. I still went by my own name, nothing illegal.

But an I.R.S. agent called me on a private phone, not in my name that was unlisted. I asked how he found me. He had gone to my last employer and intimidated him into giving him my friends unlisted phone number. He had gotten the name of my last employer from the state employment records. Public records.

Never trust your employers to keep your information private. If I had not given him that number, I would not have been found. laugh laugh

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 09:47 PM
Well shelter can be anything from a porta-potty or bush to a mansion. As far as food, hunting, fishing, and scavenging will do for a while anywhere that isn't a desert. The important thing for really dropping entirely off the gird is have a lot of different friends that all live in different places. Say two to three good friends (that would put you up at their house for a week or two if needed) in each city in each state. Keeping your activity and public appearances to a minimum and a few different names are both pretty key. Anytime you are outside a structure or by a window inside one is time you are vulnerable to being spotted. If you eliminate that time, you can hide much longer than if you don't. I would give only around 5 minutes of possibly being spotted at a given location before moving under cover of darkness to a different location. While I agree you need some sort of plan, no one plan could be good enough for survival at those conditions. Any plan can and will go wrong. (Murphy's Law) Spend 5% of the planning time on the plan itself. Spend the rest on making new contingencies for all of the possible things that could go wrong. That way, you only have to worry if something you didn't think of happens.

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 09:58 PM
of course, knowing that many friends would increase the chances of one of them being found to know you, but that is an acceptable risk for the rewards of it. you just have to have ONLY trustworthy friends who know to lawyer up and shut their mouths.

artman48's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:05 PM
Move to the lowest country in the world--say Bulgaria. Offer to become there hangman and torture guy-- Good chance they will take you in and hide you---:banana: :banana:

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:07 PM

Move to the lowest country in the world--say Bulgaria. Offer to become there hangman and torture guy-- Good chance they will take you in and hide you---:banana: :banana:


that's pretty good for hiding, but the hard part is getting there once a big organization is after you already.

artman48's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:11 PM


Move to the lowest country in the world--say Bulgaria. Offer to become there hangman and torture guy-- Good chance they will take you in and hide you---:banana: :banana:


that's pretty good for hiding, but the hard part is getting there once a big organization is after you already.


Worth the try however you do it--Your a desd man anyway. A woman would have a better chance, She could scr-w her way over and men would hid her. Unless she is ugly as he))!love

causality's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:38 PM
I don't know, I could probably sleep my way across the country if I had to. Not all guys could pull that off, but I'm pretty sure of myself. I'm pretty, smart, nice, and sociable while still a bit shy and mysterious. Why the hell am I still single anyway? lol.

Dan99's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:43 PM
Id get a sex change and go live in a jungle

artman48's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:51 PM

I don't know, I could probably sleep my way across the country if I had to. Not all guys could pull that off, but I'm pretty sure of myself. I'm pretty, smart, nice, and sociable while still a bit shy and mysterious. Why the hell am I still single anyway? lol.



I was married 38 years---single ain't so bad! Think before you jump---bigsmile Hey!! Thats it--find a not so nice looking large lady in need of loven--and she will hide you and no one will ever find you---if you can stand it?? drinker dead might not be that bad???noway

wux's photo
Sun 11/15/09 11:20 PM

Homeless wanderer is the common way to fly below radar.


However, I often wondered about the lure of "homeless wonderer" when you're a millionaire with unpaid tax money. Pay your taxes, get a job, become a normal person again. That's what I condone, for everybody else.

How do I hide? I negotiate. I get a few gut-cells together and walk my way into a negotiation. Opponents are not reasonable? Get their loved ones and hole up with them gagged and tied. That should calm your opponent's nerves down a bit.

One thing you can't escape is your conscience. If you can't get used to its bothering you, negotiate. Give your life to treating blind and balding orphans in Old Calcutta. Get a job as a target-checker in a range in Dahomey. Go date homely women, and don't be afraid to confess your eternal love to them. If you're a woman, same to short, fat guys.

All this was a scam job. I am a short, fat guy; I just want to get a date, that's all.

wux's photo
Sun 11/15/09 11:22 PM

Move to the lowest country in the world--say Bulgaria. Offer to become there hangman and torture guy-- Good chance they will take you in and hide you---:banana: :banana:


We, Bulgarians, love this type of posts.

wux's photo
Sun 11/15/09 11:24 PM


I don't know, I could probably sleep my way across the country if I had to. Not all guys could pull that off, but I'm pretty sure of myself. I'm pretty, smart, nice, and sociable while still a bit shy and mysterious. Why the hell am I still single anyway? lol.



I was married 38 years---single ain't so bad! Think before you jump---bigsmile Hey!! Thats it--find a not so nice looking large lady in need of loven--and she will hide you and no one will ever find you---if you can stand it?? drinker dead might not be that bad???noway


... and she can steal you out of one country and into another... never mind, old joke, a dirty one too.

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Mon 11/16/09 03:14 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 11/16/09 03:16 AM


Homeless wanderer is the common way to fly below radar.


However, I often wondered about the lure of "homeless wonderer" when you're a millionaire with unpaid tax money. Pay your taxes, get a job, become a normal person again. That's what I condone, for everybody else.

How do I hide? I negotiate. I get a few gut-cells together and walk my way into a negotiation. Opponents are not reasonable? Get their loved ones and hole up with them gagged and tied. That should calm your opponent's nerves down a bit.

One thing you can't escape is your conscience. If you can't get used to its bothering you, negotiate. Give your life to treating blind and balding orphans in Old Calcutta. Get a job as a target-checker in a range in Dahomey. Go date homely women, and don't be afraid to confess your eternal love to them. If you're a woman, same to short, fat guys.

All this was a scam job. I am a short, fat guy; I just want to get a date, that's all.



I like short bald horny guys. laugh laugh

I just can't afford to support one.

Dan99's photo
Mon 11/16/09 04:40 AM
If a man wants to disappear all he has to do is go poof...


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