on oct. 20 just outside of Phoenix AZ. an iraqi man diliberately ran over his daughter ( age 20) and another woman (age 43) with his car because he belived she was too westernized. on nov 2 the younger woman died of her injuries. the older woman was serously injured but is expected to survive.

That's a terrible thing to do. So sad.

What is an "honnor" killing?

family values

He is a nut job ...He should burn in Hell

nice try but Iraqis don't believe in "honor killings". Most likely there's an element the media's not reporting with all cases.

Isn't an honor death more Asian?

Wouldn't it be more correct to say Muslim?

ومن الصعب الحصول عليها لفهم. وهم بذلك معلومات خاطئة.






يرجى أن يغفر لي لاستخدام هذا البرنامج مترجم الخرقاء في محاولة لأتحدث إليكم في اللغة العربية.

Just makes me sick that these pigs would even try to use the word HONOR.

It is very sad. WE have far too much murder in this country regardless of peoples backgrounds or religions. Let us not forget, before we turn this into a 'those awful people' thread,,,we have plenty of COMPLETELY American males who have killed their wives supposedly because they feel disrespected or betrayed(dishonored). In America, we choose to call it a crime of 'passion'.

So what are you trying to say if anything at all ?.
Is this Chinese or Japanese ?.
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double post .

Arabic

Maybe you can clear this up for me. Isn't there a section in the quran dedicated to women? I recall seeing a passage that read something like If your women are guilty of lewdness keep them in the house until dead.

I could be wrong, but for some reason I recall reading that.

In the report, the Father's reason for his action was Koran related. He stated it was because the daughter was becoming westernized. Thus, dishonoring Mohammed, Allah and the family.

That would make it an honor killing.

Kinda of funny how some people in here actually think the rest of us are so dumb that we don't understand honor killings and it was very laughable that they even brought up the Asians.But then again nothing surprises me in here.Yes the Iraq's,Afghanistan's,Saudi arabia's and the whole Middle east not only practice honor killings but it is often used in the court systems to deal with matters involving religion.I know it is not a everyday occurrence but it is alive and well.For all of you who are going to play the "Fox news,right wing propaganda card".Save your breath.We all know about Islam's laws,we all know about honor killings,we all know about the 72 virgins when you die a marytr.We can all get our news elsewhere besides CNN and Moveon.org.Save your misunderstood,never practiced,blame it on the Christians,speech for the freshmen college kids at Columbia university because it's not working here.

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp

Murder by family

The murder of females in the Middle East is an ancient tradition. Prior to the arrival of Islam in AD 622, Arabs occasionally buried infant daughters to avoid the possibility that they would later bring shame to the family. This practice continued through the centuries. It may still occur today among Bedouins, who consider girls most likely to sully the family honor.
Several thousand women a year are victims of honor killings. Numerous murders are ruled an accident, suicide, or family dispute, if they're reported at all. Police and government officials are often bribed to ignore crimes and hinder investigations. A woman beaten, burned, strangled, shot, or stabbed to death is often ruled a suicide, even when there are multiple wounds.
Many women are killed and buried in unmarked graves; their very existence is removed from community and clan records. The fact that so many murders go unreported is indicative of the status of women and the role of culture in fundamentalist Islamic countries. "It shows that women are still sometimes seen as commodities that are owned by men," says Carolyn Hannan, director of the United Nations Division for the Advancement of Women.
A Palestinian family at a refugee camp in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.
In the Palestinian communities of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israel, and Jordan, women are executed in their homes, in open fields, and occasionally in public, sometimes before crowds of cheering onlookers. Honor killings account for virtually all of the murders of Palestinian women in these areas.
Honor killings occur for a variety of offenses, including allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, refusing an arranged marriage, attempting to obtain a divorce, or simply talking with a man. If a woman brings shame to the family, her male relatives are bound by duty and culture to kill her. "A woman shamed is like rotting flesh," a Palestinian merchant tells me. "If it is not cut away, it will consume the body. What I mean is the whole family will be tainted if she is not killed."
Among Arabs, marriage is traditionally a family affair, not a personal choice. Girls are often pressured into arranged marriages, while boys are not. "I was forced to marry my cousin," laments a young Palestinian woman. "I hated him. He beat me and humiliated me in front of his family and friends. But what could I do? If I had fled, I would have been killed."
Men hold all the power in the marriage. They are allowed up to four wives and may divorce a wife simply by saying "I divorce thee" three times before witnesses prior to registering the decree in court. The process for divorce is much more difficult for a woman and in some communities virtually impossible without her husband's consent.
A woman's activities are closely monitored by her


HONOR KILLINGS AND ISLAM
The Qur'an has been inaccurately used to sanction honor killings and a host of other practices.


family. Her virginity is considered their responsibility, and she is dominated by men her entire life--first her father, then her husband, and finally her sons. When a woman's chastity is in question, her family feels the shame, even if she is raped or the rumors prove unsubstantiated. As a result of "her" shame, the extended family is compromised. It will be difficult to arrange marriages for her unwed sisters, and her male relatives will be scorned and ridiculed until they kill her.
Women are killed by their fathers, husbands, brothers, uncles, cousins, or sons. In communities where the crime is prosecuted, teenage brothers are encouraged to kill their sisters because the consequences will be less severe due to their age. Relatives of the victims, including mothers and sisters, often defend the killings and occasionally help set them up.
Islam is inaccurately cited as justification for these crimes. In one case, a Palestinian boy admitted to reciting the Qur'an while strangling his sister for dishonoring her family. The girl was killed because her desire for independence became public knowledge.
Most honor killings occur in poor, rural tribal areas or among uneducated urban dwellers. "The tribal influence is an important factor," notes Nimrat. "Education is also important. Someone who is not well educated will immediately kill his sister or wife. If he has a higher level of education, there might be some understanding."


Sanctioned to kill

Critics claim honor killings are sanctioned by the educated elite, who pass laws that enable murderers to get off with little or no punishment. "Many groups want harsher punishment for those who commit such acts," continues Nimrat, "but the cultural dimension plays an important role. To eradicate this will take time."
Even when apprehended, murderers serve little or no jail time because honor killings are accorded special status in the courts. Men convicted of premeditated murder may be imprisoned for as little as three to six months. Upon their release, friends and relatives treat them like celebrities. Ahmed, a Palestinian boy who killed his teenage sister because she refused an arranged marriage, was commended upon his release from jail. Neighbors showered him with compliments, and his father called him a hero for restoring the family honor.
The West Bank and Gaza Strip are governed by the Palestinian Authority under a combination of Jordanian, Egyptian, and tribal laws. Israel has no jurisdiction in these territories. There are at least twenty-five "official" honor killings a year among the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and thirty-five a year in Jordan. The actual number of deaths is much higher.



Honor Killings in Jordan
In Jordan the family will generally impose self-administered justice and escape legal punishment.


Hundreds of women have died from strange and unusual accidents or questionable suicides. Many more are buried in the desert, unreported and unaccounted for. The secret of their fate is entombed with them in the sand. The lack of reliable statistics has hindered women's groups and human rights organizations in their campaign to eliminate honor killings.
"Uncontrollable rage" at having lost their honor is another reason given to excuse perpetrators of these killings. It's the American equivalent of innocent by reason of insanity.
The brutality of the attacks is shocking. An eighteen-year-old Palestinian man stabbed his teenage sister forty times because of a rumor that she was involved in an extramarital affair. The family thanked God for her death. In an adjacent neighborhood, a sixteen-year-old boy killed his divorced mother, stabbing her repeatedly as he chased her into the street. The boy told authorities he was upset because neighbors were gossiping about her allegedly immoral behavior.
Among Palestinians, all sexual encounters, including rape and incest, are blamed on the woman. Men are presumed innocent; the woman must have tempted him into raping her or enticed him into having an affair. A woman is expected to protect her honor, even at the cost of her own life. If she survives a violent rape, she is condemned for her "mistake" and may be killed by her family.
"The issue of consent is irrelevant when it comes to honor killings," says Marsha Freeman, director of the International Women's Rights Action Watch (IWRAW). "It has to do with the woman being defiled. It completely objectifies the woman as being about her sexuality and purity. It makes her not human."
For Palestinian women accused of sexual infidelity or disobeying their family, there is little recourse. Few are given the opportunity to refute the charges or prove their innocence.
A Palestinian girl near the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. It's difficult for women to flee the situation. Arab societies are close knit, and most women lack the resources to live alone. Palestinian newspapers include advertisements placed by families who are looking for female relatives accused of immoral behavior. "When they find her, they'll kill her," says Jameel, a Palestinian businessman, "because the whole family wants the girl dead." The community is warned not to interfere, not to hide the woman.
The Palestinian community has limited resources and shelters. Women accused of inappropriate behavior are frequently jailed to protect them from their families. At least fifty women a year are imprisoned in Jordan on honor-related cases. The number held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is unknown. The length of detention ranges from a few months to several years. Some of the female detainees expressed concern that they would never be able to leave jail because their families would kill them.
Once imprisoned, women can be released only to a male relative, who must first agree not to execute them. Regardless of assurances, women are often murdered within hours of their discharge. Fayez Mohammed secured the release of his seventeen-year-old daughter, Lamis, from a Jordanian detention center where she was staying for her protection. He guaranteed her safety and then slit her throat. Fayez was sentenced to nine months in prison for the crime.

Thomas...you couldn't be any more wrong. You're either misinformed or being disengenious. There is NOTHING in Islam about 72 virgins...i would love for you to point to me where Islamic dogma states this. After all you seem to be the expert even though i've been muslim all my life.
Now to address the previous posters, He may have used the Quran...and it's Spelled Quran not KORAN...as a scapegoat for his actions but again this isn't acceptable in Islam.
Yes there is a whole surah devoted to women, on how they should conduct themselves and how they should be treated and that's with the utmost respect. To what you're referring to as them being kept in the house till death, This applies to adultry. In this time period, per jewish law and Islam is Judism perfected, adulters were subjected to stoning. This revelation that if the husband didn't want to divorce his wife, keeping her inside the house was both her punishment and protection from mobs that wanted to see her stoned. In judism both adulterers were executed.
Neither Islam nor the Quran supports these "honor Killings" but unfortunately pashtoon and pakistani cultures did before Islam and integrated it. This man in sharia courts would be executed. Murder is murder. Nowhere in Islam is it acceptable to take another human life except in time of war and oppression or self defense.

OP, is there a news article that you pulled this information from? Could you please post a link? Thank you.

I believe this might be the source

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/31/arizona.westernized.daughter/index.html