Topic: 15 Year Old Girl, Beaten And Gang Raped
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Mon 11/02/09 11:11 AM


haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.

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Mon 11/02/09 11:13 AM


haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.
YES ,BUT WHERE DID THE 911 HIJACKERS COME FROM?????????????????????????


Not Iraq, that is for sure.

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Mon 11/02/09 11:19 AM





A 15 year old girl leaves her Homecoming dance at 9:00 PM to meet her
father outside the school for a ride home. A "friend" leads her to a
dark area of the school where she is met by a group of boys who are
drinking and she is beaten and repeatedly raped for over 2 hours.

This in itself is very disturbing....police say there were up to 12 who
saw this happening during the two and a half hour period.

No one stepped in, no 911 calls, no one went and told any teachers,
anyone, or any of the security guards that are present because the school
has to hire such guards because of the violence in their school.

This is a high school in Richmond California.

Would you step in and help? Would you risk getting your azz kicked
by intervening on her behalf? Would you at least make the 911 call?

I am shocked by the crime..even more that NO ONE helped!



My opinion is that the kids who did it should die, in public, with a sign that reads "This is what evil brings".
The ones who watched and did nothing should be beaten, in public, with the same sign.

If I was alone and saw this, I would make the 911 call. Then I would attack and kill as many as I could. Anyone who would or even could do something like that does not deserve life.



Even as a victim I would not wish death so lightly ever on any human.

What is wrong with the kids who did this? How can we prevent it from happening again with other kids in similar situation?


the only sure way would be to kill all kids.
kinda defeats the purpose of protecting kids though...

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Mon 11/02/09 11:30 AM



haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.

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Mon 11/02/09 11:36 AM






A 15 year old girl leaves her Homecoming dance at 9:00 PM to meet her
father outside the school for a ride home. A "friend" leads her to a
dark area of the school where she is met by a group of boys who are
drinking and she is beaten and repeatedly raped for over 2 hours.

This in itself is very disturbing....police say there were up to 12 who
saw this happening during the two and a half hour period.

No one stepped in, no 911 calls, no one went and told any teachers,
anyone, or any of the security guards that are present because the school
has to hire such guards because of the violence in their school.

This is a high school in Richmond California.

Would you step in and help? Would you risk getting your azz kicked
by intervening on her behalf? Would you at least make the 911 call?

I am shocked by the crime..even more that NO ONE helped!



My opinion is that the kids who did it should die, in public, with a sign that reads "This is what evil brings".
The ones who watched and did nothing should be beaten, in public, with the same sign.

If I was alone and saw this, I would make the 911 call. Then I would attack and kill as many as I could. Anyone who would or even could do something like that does not deserve life.



Even as a victim I would not wish death so lightly ever on any human.

What is wrong with the kids who did this? How can we prevent it from happening again with other kids in similar situation?


the only sure way would be to kill all kids.
kinda defeats the purpose of protecting kids though...


That was a joke right?

It is important that with these horrid crimes that we are constantly searching for a proactive approach for prevention at all levels.

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Mon 11/02/09 11:41 AM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 11/02/09 11:42 AM




haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I guess you do not remember our history here at all then.

Witch trials-women men children burned and drowned and other things
Slavery- dismemberment, deflowering of virgins, death at all ages, hangings where they burned them also, etc...
Placing people in an electric chair and frying them in the name of justice, sick
Etc...

That is only a few of ours.

Never think Americans are better than others in the world because we are not.

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Mon 11/02/09 11:49 AM





haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I guess you do not remember our history here at all then.

Witch trials-women men children burned and drowned and other things
Slavery- dismemberment, deflowering of virgins, death at all ages, hangings where they burned them also, etc...
Placing people in an electric chair and frying them in the name of justice, sick
Etc...

That is only a few of ours.

Never think Americans are better than other in the world because we are not.




Whatever you want to think is fine by me, but you're talking about a past that's history, not having much to do with present day American sensibilities. If you want to condemn this nation, that's your right which has been bought and paid for by the sacrifice of others who DID believe it worthy and just...

Try going to almost any Muslim country and voicing an opinion that states they are evil and unjust, see where that gets you...

Sorry to the op for straying off the topic though...

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Mon 11/02/09 11:51 AM




haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I cannot believe someone mentioned America is as brutal as other Countries. noway That is disgraceful, knowing what other's go through in other Countries that don't happen here. Well they are not supposed to. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dad_held_in_honor_killing_try_b7SXgcUozKVQCk486aYApL

http://www.helium.com/items/1135411-legal-abuse-of-women-in-saudi-arabia

What these boys did was horrible, the difference is the girl in America won't be punished with 200 lashes or execution. Let's not confuse the issue here and criticize America. :angry:


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Mon 11/02/09 11:53 AM






haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I guess you do not remember our history here at all then.

Witch trials-women men children burned and drowned and other things
Slavery- dismemberment, deflowering of virgins, death at all ages, hangings where they burned them also, etc...
Placing people in an electric chair and frying them in the name of justice, sick
Etc...

That is only a few of ours.

Never think Americans are better than other in the world because we are not.




Whatever you want to think is fine by me, but you're talking about a past that's history, not having much to do with present day American sensibilities. If you want to condemn this nation, that's your right which has been bought and paid for by the sacrifice of others who DID believe it worthy and just...

Try going to almost any Muslim country and voicing an opinion that states they are evil and unjust, see where that gets you...

Sorry to the op for straying off the topic though...


That is exactly right, it's the past, YEARS ago, we have learned from those mistakes, My goodness how the hell this forum turned into America is bad from forum where horrible pigs brutally raped a young woman for 2 hours. frustrated

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Mon 11/02/09 11:56 AM






haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I guess you do not remember our history here at all then.

Witch trials-women men children burned and drowned and other things
Slavery- dismemberment, deflowering of virgins, death at all ages, hangings where they burned them also, etc...
Placing people in an electric chair and frying them in the name of justice, sick
Etc...

That is only a few of ours.

Never think Americans are better than other in the world because we are not.




Whatever you want to think is fine by me, but you're talking about a past that's history, not having much to do with present day American sensibilities. If you want to condemn this nation, that's your right which has been bought and paid for by the sacrifice of others who DID believe it worthy and just...

Try going to almost any Muslim country and voicing an opinion that states they are evil and unjust, see where that gets you...

Sorry to the op for straying off the topic though...


Do you realize what we do to each other here in this country? Do you realize that we kill people in the name of justice in this country?

Noone condemned this nation. I said we are no different than other nations of humans on this planet.

Don't try to impose your sick values onto me.

Prejudice against Muslims is just as sick as prejudice by race, gender, etc....


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Mon 11/02/09 11:59 AM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 11/02/09 12:05 PM





haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I cannot believe someone mentioned America is as brutal as other Countries. noway That is disgraceful, knowing what other's go through in other Countries that don't happen here. Well they are not supposed to. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dad_held_in_honor_killing_try_b7SXgcUozKVQCk486aYApL

http://www.helium.com/items/1135411-legal-abuse-of-women-in-saudi-arabia

What these boys did was horrible, the difference is the girl in America won't be punished with 200 lashes or execution. Let's not confuse the issue here and criticize America. :angry:




Noone criticized America so that is untrue.

We are human just like all other humans with the same tendencies to brutality as all humans in this world.

Understanding that we are the same humans as all other humans in the world is somehow UNAmerican?

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Mon 11/02/09 12:10 PM






haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I cannot believe someone mentioned America is as brutal as other Countries. noway That is disgraceful, knowing what other's go through in other Countries that don't happen here. Well they are not supposed to. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dad_held_in_honor_killing_try_b7SXgcUozKVQCk486aYApL

http://www.helium.com/items/1135411-legal-abuse-of-women-in-saudi-arabia

What these boys did was horrible, the difference is the girl in America won't be punished with 200 lashes or execution. Let's not confuse the issue here and criticize America. :angry:




Noone criticized America so that is untrue.

We are human just like all other humans with the same tendencies to brutality as all humans in this world.

Understanding that we are the same humans as all other humans in the world is somehow UNAmerican?


Hmmm sounded like it to me! But whatevaslaphead

These boys need to be punished very severely for their horrible act. The people that watched should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves for watching this happen. frustrated

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Mon 11/02/09 12:14 PM







haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I cannot believe someone mentioned America is as brutal as other Countries. noway That is disgraceful, knowing what other's go through in other Countries that don't happen here. Well they are not supposed to. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dad_held_in_honor_killing_try_b7SXgcUozKVQCk486aYApL

http://www.helium.com/items/1135411-legal-abuse-of-women-in-saudi-arabia

What these boys did was horrible, the difference is the girl in America won't be punished with 200 lashes or execution. Let's not confuse the issue here and criticize America. :angry:




Noone criticized America so that is untrue.

We are human just like all other humans with the same tendencies to brutality as all humans in this world.

Understanding that we are the same humans as all other humans in the world is somehow UNAmerican?


Hmmm sounded like it to me! But whatevaslaphead

These boys need to be punished very severely for their horrible act. The people that watched should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves for watching this happen. frustrated


I agree on all counts. I also believe that parents of minors should have to face consequences as well... Someone "raised" these monsters...

I especially agree too on the "whateva" part concerning the dialog with with that particular poster.

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Mon 11/02/09 12:23 PM








haha only in America...and the neocons call us muslims uncivilized.


I don't think it's appropriate to say "only in America" when far far worse things happen in many other nations. Some of them being prominently Muslim...

It's also kind'a sick to laugh about it...imo


I would not say far worse. American can be just as brutal and unforgiving as other nations.


I have yet to see a public beheading in the streets or dead enemy combatants hung and lit on fire... Not to mention sanctioned beatings on young girls just for attending school.


I cannot believe someone mentioned America is as brutal as other Countries. noway That is disgraceful, knowing what other's go through in other Countries that don't happen here. Well they are not supposed to. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dad_held_in_honor_killing_try_b7SXgcUozKVQCk486aYApL

http://www.helium.com/items/1135411-legal-abuse-of-women-in-saudi-arabia

What these boys did was horrible, the difference is the girl in America won't be punished with 200 lashes or execution. Let's not confuse the issue here and criticize America. :angry:




Noone criticized America so that is untrue.

We are human just like all other humans with the same tendencies to brutality as all humans in this world.

Understanding that we are the same humans as all other humans in the world is somehow UNAmerican?


Hmmm sounded like it to me! But whatevaslaphead

These boys need to be punished very severely for their horrible act. The people that watched should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves for watching this happen. frustrated


I agree on all counts. I also believe that parents of minors should have to face consequences as well... Someone "raised" these monsters...

I especially agree too on the "whateva" part concerning the dialog with with that particular poster.


LOL.

Can't discuss posters, just the subject at hand...lol Good thing :wink: bigsmile

Human brutality is a known fact. As with these kids we need to discover what is wrong with the kids who did it, kids who watched and environmental influences that made it a thought in the first place. Punishment of course but proactivity should also be priority.

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Mon 11/02/09 12:34 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Mon 11/02/09 12:41 PM
This doesn't have any new information, but this opinion piece made first page of google news:

News of the gang rape, robbery and beating of a 15-year-old girl at Richmond High School's homecoming dance was shocking and horrific. The particulars of the story are terrifying: Police say nearly two dozen people saw the assault and didn't report it, and many took pictures and joined in.

Shocking, horrifying, terrible - yes. A reflection on Richmond? Proof that the young men who assaulted her are "animals"? No.

What happened in Richmond could happen anywhere. In fact, the last time we heard about a vicious attack like this, it was a comatose 17-year-old girl who was being sexually assaulted by a group of young men at a De Anza College baseball team party in 2007.

Once again, it took a woman - in that case, three young women - to alert authorities. That case got lost in legal limbo. Unfortunately, it shows that this hideous mob mentality can take over in any town and at any economic level.

The people of Richmond have responded to the incident with fury and disgust. No one has tried to blame the victim. The students at Richmond High School have shown maturity beyond their years - participating in rallies against violence and pressing school authorities about security.

So far, there is every indication that both the community and the justice system are treating this case with the seriousness it deserves. These are all things that reflect well, not poorly, on Richmond.

As for the young men involved in the attack, it may be comforting for us to dismiss them as "animals" or "monsters." But these cases pop up over and over again, with different names but the same sordid details. That suggests common threads of hideous human behavior - the way we behave in mobs, our unwillingness to "get involved," our willingness to hurt other people - that we need to recognize in ourselves, even as we condemn other people.

Over the next several months, the students at Richmond High School will need plenty of support - and yes, increased security - to handle their feelings of trauma and distress. The officials and adults around them must provide what they need. And the rest of us must look at our own






from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/01/EDR11ACV5R.DTL

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Mon 11/02/09 12:38 PM
If we want to eliminate this barbarism from the world, looking at our own actions and history can be very instructive. I see no reason whatsoever to believe that americans are inherently more civil than any other group of people, and plenty of reasons to believe otherwise.

But our legal system has matured since the days of the salem witch hunts - looking at how that (relative) maturation has come about may help those who would like to see a similar maturation in other country's legal systems.

We still have a long way to go.

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Mon 11/02/09 03:27 PM
Hey, I've got a novel idea. Why don't we have a trial before we sentence the suspects to death? You know, just in case we don't have all the facts. Just a thought.

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Mon 11/02/09 03:29 PM

Hey, I've got a novel idea. Why don't we have a trial before we sentence the suspects to death? You know, just in case we don't have all the facts. Just a thought.


surprised :thumbsup: :wink:

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Mon 11/02/09 03:32 PM

That suggests common threads of hideous human behavior - the way we behave in mobs, our unwillingness to "get involved," our willingness to hurt other people - that we need to recognize in ourselves, even as we condemn other people.



I am more scared of people who say "they are animals, I would never do something like that. I would intervene."

Because truthfully, if you look at these kinds of cases, the people involved are generally just "normal" people. I'm not talking about the initial rapists........I'm talking about the bystanders and others who knew what was going on and did nothing.

If you've never seen "An American Crime" it's a interesting movie. Sort of looks into this as an entire neighborhood of young people knew of, and participated in, the brutal treatment of one girl kept in some woman's basement for a couple of months. There are many, many cases throughout history where people have stood by and let atrocities happen. Don't be so sure you wouldn't do the same.

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Mon 11/02/09 05:10 PM
Edited by peladac on Mon 11/02/09 05:31 PM


That suggests common threads of hideous human behavior - the way we behave in mobs, our unwillingness to "get involved," our willingness to hurt other people - that we need to recognize in ourselves, even as we condemn other people.



I am more scared of people who say "they are animals, I would never do something like that. I would intervene."

Because truthfully, if you look at these kinds of cases, the people involved are generally just "normal" people. I'm not talking about the initial rapists........I'm talking about the bystanders and others who knew what was going on and did nothing.

If you've never seen "An American Crime" it's a interesting movie. Sort of looks into this as an entire neighborhood of young people knew of, and participated in, the brutal treatment of one girl kept in some woman's basement for a couple of months. There are many, many cases throughout history where people have stood by and let atrocities happen. Don't be so sure you wouldn't do the same.


That depends on the individual person themselves. Some have no qualms watching a fellow human being going through torture and there are some that could not stomach someone being attacked. It wasn't one person watching this poor girl go through this ya know. They could have stopped this!!

Can anyone imagine something? What if this girl saw all these people watching, some taking pictures, some laughing (disgusting)? I cannot imagine what was going through her mind if she saw the people acting like that. As I said it was not one bystander, there were bystanderS!! I know in my heart I could not have stood there and watched, I would have done something, SOMETHING to help that poor girl.