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Topic: Racism: Justice Dept v the Voters of Kinston, NC
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Tue 10/20/09 10:34 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 10/20/09 10:40 AM
Originally published 04:45 a.m., October 20, 2009, updated 07:25 a.m., October 20, 2009

Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party


Ben Conery

KINSTON, N.C. | Voters in this small city decided overwhelmingly last year to do away with the party affiliation of candidates in local elections, but the Obama administration recently overruled the electorate and decided that equal rights for black voters cannot be achieved without the Democratic Party.

The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black.

The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.

Several federal and local politicians would like the city to challenge the decision in court. They say voter apathy is the largest barrier to black voters' election of candidates they prefer and that the Justice Department has gone too far in trying to influence election results here.

Stephen LaRoque, a former Republican state lawmaker who led the drive to end partisan local elections, called the Justice Department's decision "racial as well as partisan."

"On top of that, you have an unelected bureaucrat in Washington, D.C., overturning a valid election," he said. "That is un-American."

The decision, made by the same Justice official who ordered the dismissal of a voting rights case against members of the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia, has irritated other locals as well. They bristle at federal interference in this city of nearly 23,000 people, two-thirds of whom are black.

In interviews in sleepy downtown Kinston - a place best known as a road sign on the way to the Carolina beaches - residents said partisan voting is largely unimportant because people are personally acquainted with their elected officials and are familiar with their views.

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Cooke said his group does not take a position on this issue and would not disclose his personal stance, but expressed skepticism about the Justice Department's involvement.

Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here.

Justice Department spokesman Alejandro Miyar denied that the decision was intended to help the Democratic Party. He said the ruling was based on "what the facts are in a particular jurisdiction" and how it affects blacks' ability to elect the candidates they favor.

"The determination of who is a 'candidate of choice' for any group of voters in a given jurisdiction is based on an analysis of the electoral behavior of those voters within a particular jurisdiction," he said.

Critics on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights are not so sure. "The Voting Rights Act is supposed to protect against situations when black voters are locked out because of racism," said Abigail Thernstrom, a Republican appointee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. "There is no entitlement to elect a candidate they prefer on the assumption that all black voters prefer Democratic candidates."

Located about 60 miles from the Atlantic Coast in eastern North Carolina, Kinston has a history of defying governmental authority. During Colonial times, the fledgling city was known as Kingston - named for King George III - but residents dropped the "g" from the city's name after the American Revolution.

In Kinston's heyday of manufacturing and tobacco farming, it was a bustling collection of shops, movie theaters and restaurants. Now, many of those buildings are vacant - a few have been filled by storefront churches - and residents are left hoping for better days.

In November's election - one in which "hope" emerged as a central theme - the city had uncommonly high voter turnout, with more than 11,000 of the city's 15,000 voters casting ballots. Kinston's blacks voted in greater numbers than whites.

Whites typically cast the majority of votes in Kinston's general elections. Kinston residents contributed to Barack Obama's victory as America's first black president and voted by a margin of nearly 2-to-1 to eliminate partisan elections in the city.

The measure appeared to have broad support among both white and black voters, as it won a majority in seven of the city's nine black-majority voting precincts and both of its white-majority precincts.

But before nonpartisan elections could be implemented, the city had to get approval from the Justice Department.

Kinston is one of the areas subject to provisions of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act, which requires the city to receive Justice Department approval before making any changes to voting procedures. Kinston is one of 12,000 voting districts in areas of 16 states, almost exclusively in the South, that the Voting Rights Act declared to have had a history of racial discrimination.

In a letter dated Aug. 17, the city received the Justice Department's answer: Elections must remain partisan because the change's "effect will be strictly racial."

"Removing the partisan cue in municipal elections will, in all likelihood, eliminate the single factor that allows black candidates to be elected to office," Loretta King, who at the time was the acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division, wrote in a letter to the city.

Ms. King wrote that voters in Kinston vote more along racial than party lines and without the potential for voting a straight Democratic ticket, "the limited remaining support from white voters for a black Democratic candidate will diminish even more."

Ms. King is the same official who put a stop to the New Black Panther Party case. In that case, the Justice Department filed a civil complaint in Philadelphia after two members of the black revolutionary group dressed in quasi-military garb stood outside a polling place on election last year and purportedly intimidated voters with racial insults, slurs and a nightstick.

After a judge ordered a default judgments against the Panthers, who refused to answer the charges or appear in court, the Justice Department dropped the charges against all but one of the defendants, saying "the facts and the law did not support pursuing" them.

Ms. King's letter in the Kinston case states that because of the low turnout black voters must be "viewed as a minority for analytical purposes," and that "minority turnout is relevant" to determining whether the Justice Department should be allowed a change to election protocol.

Black voters account for 9,702 of the city's 15,402 registered voters but typically don't vote at the rates whites do.

As a result of the low turnout, Ms. King wrote, "black voters have had limited success in electing candidates of choice during recent municipal elections."

"It is the partisan makeup of the general electorate that results in enough white cross-over to allow the black community to elect a candidate of choice," she wrote.

Mrs. Thernstrom of the civil rights commission blasted the department's interpretation of the law.

"The Voting Rights Act is not supposed to be compensating for failure of voters to show up on Election Day," she said. "The Voting Rights Act doesn't guarantee an opportunity to elect a 'candidate of choice.' ... My 'candidate of choice' loses all the time in an election."

When asked whether Justice had ever "either granted or denied" requests either "to stop partisan elections or implement partisan elections," Mr. Miyar, the department spokesman, said it was impossible to retrieve past decisions on that basis.

But he did provide, based on the recollection of a department lawyer, a single precedent - a decision during the Clinton administration denying a bid from a South Carolina school district to drop partisan elections.

That decision employs similar reasoning and language as the Kinston ruling: "Implementation of nonpartisan elections ... appears likely to deprive black supported candidates of meaningful partisan based support and to exacerbate racial polarization between black and white voters."

But the 1994 decision doesn't mention the necessity of the Democratic Party and doesn't mention low turnout among black voters in that school district as a factor affecting their ability to elect candidates they prefer.

Kinston City Council member Joseph Tyson, a Democrat who favors partisan elections, said nothing is stopping black voters in Kinston from going to the polls.

"Unfortunately, I'm very disappointed with the apathy that we have in Kinston among the Afro-American voters," he said.

Mr. Tyson, who is one of two black members of the six-member City Council, said the best way to help black voters in Kinston is to change the council's structure from citywide voting to representation by district. Kinston voters currently cast as many votes in the at-large races as there are council seats up for election - typically three, or two and the mayor.

"Whether it's partisan or nonpartisan is not a big issue to me, whether or not the city is totally represented is what the issue is to me," he said. "If you have wards and districts, then I feel the total city will be represented."

Partisan local elections are a rarity in North Carolina. According to statistics kept by the University of North Carolina School of Government in Chapel Hill, only nine of the state's 551 cities and towns hold partisan elections.

The City Council could take the Justice Department to court to fight decision regarding nonpartisan elections, but such a move seems unlikely. The council voted 4-1 to drop the issue after meeting privately with Justice Department officials in August.

"What do I plan to do? Absolutely, nothing," Mr. Tyson said. "And I will fight, within Robert's Rules of Order, wherever necessary to make sure that decision stands."

The Justice ruling and Kinston's decision not to fight it comes in the wake of a key Voting Rights Act case last year. In that decision, the Supreme Court let a small utility district in Texas seek an exemption from the law's requirements to receive Justice Department approval before making any changes to voting procedures. But the court declined to address whether the law itself is constitutional.

Critics of the law argue it has changed little since its 1965 inception and that the same places the law covered then no longer need Justice Department approval to make changes to voting procedures.

Proponents, including Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., said the law is still necessary to ensure equal voting rights for all Americans.

In Kinston, William Barker is the only City Council member who voted to continue discussing whether to challenge the Justice Department's ruling.

He said he voted against eliminating partisan elections because the proposed new system would declare a winner simply on who received a plurality of votes instead requiring candidates to reach certain threshold of votes based on turnout.

"Based on the fact that the voters voted overwhelmingly for it, I would like to see us challenge it based on that fact. My fight is solely based on fighting what the voters voted on," he said. "It bothers me, even though I'm on the winning side now, that you have a small group, an outside group coming in and saying, 'Your vote doesn't matter.' "

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/print/

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Tue 10/20/09 10:39 AM
So the Justice Department has essentially concluded that Black voters in a North Carolina town aren't smart enough to be able to identify which candidate is their "candidate of choice" without the aid of a parenthetical D or R next to the candidates name. This, despite the overwhelming majority of voters in an election with the highest turnout in recent memory.

The conclusion can only be that the Justice Departement doesn't value the democratic process and that the white voters of this city will only vote for a black candidate if they know he's a Democrat..

wow.. just wow..

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Tue 10/20/09 11:43 AM
not THAT'S racism...

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Tue 10/20/09 05:20 PM

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.


noway frustrated explode

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 10/20/09 05:26 PM
:smile: They need to stop trying to juryrig the vote and leave it the way it is:smile: There is a history of playing these sort of ballot box games with minority voters:smile: There is no reason to change any of that other than for nefarious purposesflowerforyou

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Tue 10/20/09 05:30 PM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 10/20/09 05:32 PM
That voting district/town is 2/3 black..

The measure passed with a near 2/3 majority..

Are the Blacks in that town somehow gerrymandering themselves out of political power???

The Voters voted. They passed a measure to affect their own local elections but the Obama Justice Department decided that their control over their own elections threatened the position of Democrat politicians. period..

FAIL

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Tue 10/20/09 05:31 PM


"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



:thumbsup: True:thumbsup:

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Tue 10/20/09 05:39 PM



"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



:thumbsup: True:thumbsup:


read the next couple of paragraphs..

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Cooke said his group does not take a position on this issue and would not disclose his personal stance, but expressed skepticism about the Justice Department's involvement.

Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here.

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Tue 10/20/09 05:40 PM

That voting district/town is 2/3 black..

The measure passed with a near 2/3 majority..

Are the Blacks in that town somehow gerrymandering themselves out of political power???

The Voters voted. They passed a measure to affect their own local elections but the Obama Justice Department decided that their control over their own elections threatened the position of Democrat politicians. period..

FAIL
:smile: No, the blacks in that town were about to get gerrymandered ,but the Justice department stepped in and put a stop to it. :smile: There is a history of these sort of games being played with minority votes:smile:There is no reason to hide party affiliation except to mislead voters and help the politicians to misrepresent themselves:smile:Knowing party affiliation is an additional and important piece of information in knowing what a politician stands for:smile:

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Tue 10/20/09 05:41 PM




"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



:thumbsup: True:thumbsup:


read the next couple of paragraphs..

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Cooke said his group does not take a position on this issue and would not disclose his personal stance, but expressed skepticism about the Justice Department's involvement.

Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here.

bigsmile Then there is no reason to hide party affiliations from votersbigsmile

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Tue 10/20/09 05:47 PM

:smile: They need to stop trying to juryrig the vote and leave it the way it is:smile: There is a history of playing these sort of ballot box games with minority voters:smile: There is no reason to change any of that other than for nefarious purposesflowerforyou


Mirror, your ridiculous overuse of the :smile: icon does not have any effect on me. If the voters want to find out what a local politician stands for, they should do the WORK it takes to find out. There are a LOT of local elections around this country where the candidates do not have party affiliation listed. That isn't a problem for the people in those localities, so why should it be for this particular locality, especially since they VOTED to have it that way? What you're basically saying is, those voters are too stupid to know what's best for them, and they need the big nanny-state government to come in and tell them no.



That voting district/town is 2/3 black..

The measure passed with a near 2/3 majority..

Are the Blacks in that town somehow gerrymandering themselves out of political power???

The Voters voted. They passed a measure to affect their own local elections but the Obama Justice Department decided that their control over their own elections threatened the position of Democrat politicians. period..

FAIL


Exactly. Again the will of the people is thwarted, and again it is by Democrats. Nothing shocking here.

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Tue 10/20/09 05:48 PM





"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



:thumbsup: True:thumbsup:


read the next couple of paragraphs..

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Cooke said his group does not take a position on this issue and would not disclose his personal stance, but expressed skepticism about the Justice Department's involvement.

Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here.

bigsmile Then there is no reason to hide party affiliations from votersbigsmile


There is if the people there voted for it to be that way. Otherwise, you're telling them to just sit down and shut up and you'll let them know what's best for them.

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Tue 10/20/09 06:01 PM






"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



:thumbsup: True:thumbsup:


read the next couple of paragraphs..

"To begin with, 'nonpartisan elections' is a misconceived and deceiving statement because even though no party affiliation shows up on a ballot form, candidates still adhere to certain ideologies and people understand that, and are going to identify with who they feel has their best interest at heart," said William Cooke, president of the Kinston/Lenoir County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Cooke said his group does not take a position on this issue and would not disclose his personal stance, but expressed skepticism about the Justice Department's involvement.

Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here.

bigsmile Then there is no reason to hide party affiliations from votersbigsmile


There is if the people there voted for it to be that way. Otherwise, you're telling them to just sit down and shut up and you'll let them know what's best for them.
:smile: This voting scheme is an old scam that has been played before.:smile: There is a history of this:smile:

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Tue 10/20/09 06:18 PM

not THAT'S racism...


I fail to see the racism honestly. If I saw evidence that white voters had made the same request and been approved, THAT would be racism. They were turned down but I cant see evidence that it was due to their race. The other thing is,, IF voters truly can and do pick the candidate that best represents them,, WHY does it matter if they keep the political party affiliation?


Seems like alot of hoopla about nothing,, but then I dont live there.

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Tue 10/20/09 06:49 PM
the only thing I got of any value out of this thread (and a couple of others) is that it really bugs people for mirror to punctuate his sentences with smilies

so :smile: I'm gonna start doing it too:smile:

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Wed 10/21/09 03:46 AM


not THAT'S racism...


I fail to see the racism honestly. If I saw evidence that white voters had made the same request and been approved, THAT would be racism. They were turned down but I cant see evidence that it was due to their race. The other thing is,, IF voters truly can and do pick the candidate that best represents them,, WHY does it matter if they keep the political party affiliation?


Seems like alot of hoopla about nothing,, but then I dont live there.


You "fail to see the racism" in telling black voters in that town (since they make up the majority there) that they're too stupid to know for whom to vote unless there's a party affiliation stated along with each candidate? Wow.

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Wed 10/21/09 04:57 AM


That voting district/town is 2/3 black..

The measure passed with a near 2/3 majority..

Are the Blacks in that town somehow gerrymandering themselves out of political power???

The Voters voted. They passed a measure to affect their own local elections but the Obama Justice Department decided that their control over their own elections threatened the position of Democrat politicians. period..

FAIL
:smile: No, the blacks in that town were about to get gerrymandered ,but the Justice department stepped in and put a stop to it. :smile: There is a history of these sort of games being played with minority votes:smile:There is no reason to hide party affiliation except to mislead voters and help the politicians to misrepresent themselves:smile:Knowing party affiliation is an additional and important piece of information in knowing what a politician stands for:smile:



Sorry but in the end the only thing a politician cares for is him/herself. It doesnt matetr what party they are a member of, in the end they always vote fort hemself.

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Wed 10/21/09 05:06 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Wed 10/21/09 05:10 AM


not THAT'S racism...


I fail to see the racism honestly. If I saw evidence that white voters had made the same request and been approved, THAT would be racism. They were turned down but I cant see evidence that it was due to their race. The other thing is,, IF voters truly can and do pick the candidate that best represents them,, WHY does it matter if they keep the political party affiliation?


Seems like alot of hoopla about nothing,, but then I dont live there.


The racism is in the assumption on the part of the justice department that white voters will only vote for black candidates if they know they're affiliated with the Democrat Party. Whether its true or not is of little concern.

What is of concern is that the Democrat-controlled Justice Department, under instruction from the White House no doubt, has acted overtly to protect the Democrat Party, from itself apparently. It's not as if this move was a subversive attempt by the Republican Party to make inroads in a Democrat-heavy district. It's a one party town, which is an issue all unto itself.. Why, then, doesn't the White House or the DNC simply appoint whomever it wants to whatever seat it wants and be done with it? Why excercise the democratic process at all?

The voters of the town voted decided at a near 2 to 1 margin in a town that's over 2/3 black in an election cycle that saw the heaviest voter turnout in memory and hasn't elected a Republican that anyone can recall(a virtual impossibility to accomplish without a definitive majority of black voters being for it) to do away with party affiliations for local races. Let them run their elections however they want..

Even the President of the local chapter of the NAACP thinks the decision handed down by "Justice" is ridiculous.. that's good enough for me in this case.

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Wed 10/21/09 05:40 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Wed 10/21/09 05:41 AM
The Voting Rights Act was intented to protect voters, not the Democrat Party.

Sorry, mirror, the town is 58% black, according to reports I'm reading and represent 65% of the registered voters. So.. They are not "minorities", they are in fact, in every true sense of the term, the majority.

The history of abuses has been on the part of Democrat lawyers in the Federal Bereaucracy to use the Voting Rights Act to empower the Democrat Party, regardless of the will of the voters. And this very much a case of that happening.

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Thu 10/22/09 10:31 AM

So the Justice Department has essentially concluded that Black voters in a North Carolina town aren't smart enough to be able to identify which candidate is their "candidate of choice" without the aid of a parenthetical D or R next to the candidates name. This, despite the overwhelming majority of voters in an election with the highest turnout in recent memory.

The conclusion can only be that the Justice Departement doesn't value the democratic process and that the white voters of this city will only vote for a black candidate if they know he's a Democrat..

wow.. just wow..


absurd. all races of democrats and republicans are affected by the statute. if obama brought race to the table as an issue, you bit the hook as he'd hoped you would. brings the issue to the forefront you see. it's only about race if you don't let it die.

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