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Topic: for or against the Death Penalty...?
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Sun 10/25/09 09:02 AM

(last few messages have been creepy, to me)


So.........

If anyone else has any other opinions regarding the Death Penalty that you would like to share, please do so.

Dawn

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Sun 10/25/09 09:09 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Sun 10/25/09 09:18 AM

If you truly believe this, you should also be calling for the death of most people in the federal government for their murdering of innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, etc.


THE REMEDY OF JUSTICE, MUST EQUAL THE INJUSTICE, OR THERE BE NO MEASURE TO JUSTICE, WHICH MEANS THERE NO LONGER BE ANY SUCH THING CALLED JUSTICE...

why is there a scale, meaning BALANCE, called the scale's of justice, if there be NO BALANCE???

THERE HAS TO BE A BAR, AS IF IT BE FLOATING, WITH NO DEFINED "CENTER", THEN THERE BE NO ??????????

common sense???

ALL LOGIC IS FOUNDED IN "EQUAL", OR JUST WHAT BE THE "MUST", JUST TO MAINTAIN HUMAN CIVILIZATION???

nature has balance, as it provide night, and to balance, the day, and winter to balance the summer, HOT TO BALANCE THE COLD???

there IS NO BALANCE OF ACTION, SO THEN BALANCE OF REASON, WHICH BE THE ONLY SANITY, IF THE "JUSTICE" DOES NOT EQUAL THE "INJUSTICE"???

if you kill, you will be killed, period!!!

if one kill, there life is ENDED!!!

if one kill for the sake of protecting a loved one, then this one loved it's own, and each one that was saved down the road, by removing such as these, whom have no repsect for human life as sacred and soverign, and do not recognize that such is to each endowed by being born, less one forfiet such, but stealing another's life???

to even begin to stare at ONE thing, called a "death penalty", hide the greater essence of what be most important IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY, which can only ever be protecting those whom "DO NOT WANT" TO MAIME, RAPE, PILLAGE, ABUSE, CUT, SHOOT, DISMEMBER, BEAT, EAT, RAVAGE, TORTURE, FROM THOSE WHO DO...

those who do laugh at the law, and show there is no regard even for any civilized system, and as such, do not then subscribe themself to the merit of any system, and so as such, should not expect such system to protect it, or fight for any priviledge of the person whom willfully and with all intent, abuse the human life of another...







in response to your quote at the top...

and why put the quote on top of the post, as it makes the quote to the outsider confusing???

but, as to your FED IS EVIL CAMPAIGN???

BE FOR REAL!!!

if i "REALLY" feel that way???

SO, YOU BELIEVE NOT MY "REAL WORDS"???

are the words penned my some other than myself???

than why would you deem them not how i "really feel"???

all words come thru a "feeling" do they not, and the words show the "feeling", so yes, i really do feel this way, lol...

but, DO NOT AT ALL, FEEL ALL IN THE FED ARE CORRUPT, AND KILLER'S!!!

such is a ludicris thing to believe in the first place, as no "impure motive" is common to all, as all are people, JUST LIKE YOU!!!

IT IS LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR SUCH TO EXIST???

but you have allowed only "some data" into yourself as true, which has left you to not even believe or see how these in the "fed" are REAL PEOPLE, and speak of them as some benign thing, as if they are not even HUMAN'S???

have you served in the "federal government"???

have you sent many troops to die in a foriegn land yet???

have you had to stay up all night, for many night's, burdened with the knowing your words and action's were going to change and effect MILLIONS of other live's, and that many would die BECAUSE OF YOU, AND YOUR DECISION???

than how can you condem what you know not of???

is not that as one telling another how to ride a bike, but having never ridden itself???

that is like saying ALL JEW'S ARE EVIL???

that is what "hitler bought into"???

and the "people" that bought into hitler then, HAD TO HAVE BEEN USING THE SAME LOGIC???

if they were not, they would have seen the terrible inferior fallicy of his logic, that shown thru in all his notion's and words and deeds???

the same logic would say all women are evil???

alll black haired gov worker's are suspect as evil???

it is totally emotionally based thinking, never needing any proof but what ITSELF WISH TO BELIEVE???

THAT IS CALLED, NO PROVEN LOGIC!!!???

that is no different in thought process, than saying all cops are corrupt, and on the take???

that is like saying all grocery store clerks steal???

like saying all that think as such see nothing but themself???

if one's own motive, was THE BEST INTEREST OF "ALL", AND NOT JUST THOSE WHOM AGREE WITH SELF, than it would be able to see, that IF WHAT YOU WROTE WAS INDEED TRUE, YOU JUST PUT ALL YOUR "LOVED ONE'S IN PERIL, FROM SUCH "FED" THAT YOU DEEM TO BE OF ALL IMPURE MOTIVE!!!???

SO, WHOM AND WHAT DO YOU FIGHT FOR???

yourself alone it would appear, as the words are not consistent except to that motive???

ALL PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL GOV???

dude, you need to take some friendly advice, from a friendly person, with friendly intent, that indeed, NOT ALL HAVE, and think long and hard about MAKING SUCH STATEMENT'S, LEST ONE HAS EMBRACED ALL THE MIND ITSELF WHISPER'S TO ONESELF, THAT COULD BE CREATED BY SUCH!!!

you do not read nor comprehend well, if you deem that i am "CALLING" for ANY ****ING HUMAN DEATH, or any action at all!!!

if you do not believe in your fellow man, that govern YOUR COUNTRY, than how can you deem it your country in which to live in???

that is no different, than one living in a small community, and deeming all in that community as evil's???

then move to where you want, and partake not in any of what that community affords you???

your own government, your own fellow man, and you BLANKETLY accuse them ALL, in public, of KILLING WITHOUT CAUSE, but, you feel and take this very casually, AS YOU AFFORD ONE SHREDD OF ANY PROOF, as one would think is only fair, when one accuse MANY OF IMPLICIT DECEPTION AND MURDER AND ABUSE???

nothing in this post "CALLED" FOR ANYTHING, LOL!!!???

you write as if words are law's already, and should be followed???

the only thing one follow's, is what it SEE'S AND KNOW'S AND AGREE'S UPON, IS GOOD FOR ALL INVOLVED, AND ALL INVOLVED IS EACH HUMAN LIFE IN THE WORLD???

i wish FOR NOTHING IN THIS POST TO BE PASSED INTO SOME LAW, DUDE!!!

the only law's or restraints on human behaviour i wish, ARE THOSE AGREED UPON BY ALL, SINCE SUCH WOULD EFFECT ALL!!!

you are looking but to promote what YOU and YOU alone WISH, leaving out ALL that do not have the same view, as somehow lesser being's, no different in mentality than ALL WOULDBEE DICTATOR'S THAT EVER LIVED IN HUMAN HISTORY???

this is simply a conversation about the "death penalty", and how IT IS USED IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF POWER, and why it does and does not work!!!???

one that is "just", does not find guilty, what did not know IN ADVANCE the consequence of it's own action's???

a "garaunteed happening" FOR ONE'S OWN ACTION, WE DO NOT HAVE!!!

such is different than a "floating bar" that has been created by "special interest" within the current system???

IF one get's lucky, with the right attorney, with the right money, one may elude justice, so, it will "take it's chances"???

a game of luck, of chance, has been created in the "perception's" of the less knowing, and therefore has created "the current crimminal mentality"???

as long as there is chance, in the mind of the perp, it will still deny possible reality, and therefore lead itself to it's own destruction, and take other's along with itself???

OF COURSE, if there is a "pin hole" in a damn, than it is the natural inclination of the human brain to find it, if it wish to convince itself of something, it want's to do, allowing that "pinhole" it found to wash itself down the drain when self reasoning has been washed away!!!???

and we wonder why there is no respect for the "law", which be in place to PROTECT ALL???

but, i forgot, you need no protection, nor any service, from any federal government, as you denounce such, and so then as well, anything that THEY HELPED CREATE RIGHT???

WELL, THAT IS ****ING EVERYTHING THAT EXIST'S RIGHT NOW!!!???

nothing exist now, except by all that happened before it???

we can not KNOW now, less there was what "did happen", to know what is KNOWN NOW???

so, anything, everything, must be included in this thing called reality, which is what currently exist???

MY CONSLUSION'S, are based upon this logic, which leaves no HUMAN OUT AS SOME DEVIANT, SOME EVIL, THAT WAS NOT SO, BECAUSE OF WHAT "ITSELF KNEW" AT "THAT TIME"...

if time progress's, so does human thinking, or we would not have evolved unto any greater knowing, than primitive man???

that is what i am talking about!!!

changing for the better, the things within our current system, that can or could or would be better, if the "self interest" of some, such as fought for by lobbyist, did not have a strong enough arm of control, to manipulate justice simply for the sake of their own self interest???

so, the post is pointing out that THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL, is the only thing one can look at, which is the only way to strike a BALANCE, OR THE ONLY FAIR, OR THE ONLY BAR THAT CAN OR SHOULD EXIST, be the ONLY BEST INTEREST POSSIBLE, WITH 6.6 BILLION IN THE WORLD AND CLIMBING FAST???

it CANNOT BE WHAT IS GOOD FOR SOME, OR MANY, BUT MUST BE BEST FOR "ALL"...

IF SUCH IS PEERED AT, THEN THE NARROW PATH DOWN THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE IS MORE EASILY SEEN, AHH, i mean, such is the only way to see it at all, lol...

one's that insist on wanting to maime and torture and rape ****ing women and children on our streets, is what are i am tallking about???

and, you understand, that WHAT YOU SPEAK OF, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBLE WAY TO KNOW SUCH???

YOUR SIMPLY REPEATING WHAT YOU "HEARD"???

if you DID NOT SEE IT YOURSELF, OR HEAR IT YOURSELF, FIRST HAND, THAN YOU DON'T KNOW IT HAPPENED, AND THAT IS TRUE FOR ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND CIVILIZATION???

oh, i know you so think you know, BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THE TRUE MOTIVE OF MANY YOU ACCUSE???

you lift from my words, only the part that suite's you, leaving out all the rest, lol...

typical and always, for what only peer thru itself in all matter's that concern ALL...

those whom do not believe in their own system, enough to work to effect good and better change, should not take or use the system in any way for it's own self interest???

it is A CONFLICT OF INTEREST???

to damn all car's, but to drive one as well???

to damn all electricity, but have electric in one's home???

come one man...

DON'T EVER BUY FROM A GROCERY STORE, OR USE THE MAIL, OR THE PHONE SYSTEM, AND DRIVE NOT ON ANY ROAD, AS ALL THAT IS, WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT ALL THAT WAS, WHICH INCLUDES THE FEDRERAL GOVERNMENT!!!???

only a small minded commoner, trying to sound and be smart, would believe ONLY SELECTIVE WORDS FROM IT'S ENVIRONMENT, AND DOING SUCH, ALLOW ITSELF TO BE TAINTED, and thus fall to but personal agenda, the very same thing IT DENOUNCE AND HATE ABOUT IT'S "PERCIEVED" ENEMIES???

JUST HOW MUCH "INTELLIGENCE" IS THAT???

JUST HOW MUCH "SELF CONTROL" IS THAT???

JUST HOW SMART IS ONE, THAT SOMEONE CAN "TELL" SOMETHING TO, AND THIS ONE IMMEDIATLEY BELIEVE'S IT, AND CALLS FOR MANY PEOPLE TO BE PUT TO DEATH, BASED ON THE "TELLING" IT HEARD???

COME ONE DUDE, DON'T BE SO ****ING GULLIBLE!!!

your comprehension and words are tainted with pre-disposed malice and bias toward such Allied action's, biased toward what you CANNOT KNOW!!!

if one is going to put their life on the line, and the life of all itself love, that depend on itself, than i would NOT DO SUCH WITHOUT PROOF, NEVER BASING SUCH ON JUST A FEW SELECT WORDS OR PERCEPTION'S, OUT OF THE "BILLION'S" OF WORDS AS PERCEPTION'S SPEWED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT!!!???

the words you pick to believe in, do not give the words any merit, but rather show what you are, and what kind of person YOU ARE, and what lie in your heart, to only believe the few words it picked to believe in...

ahh, such matched what itself wanted to find, and provided something to hate, and something to use to allow oneself to think higher of itself, so as to not have to peer into any self mirror, all alone???



peace outta


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Sun 10/25/09 09:19 AM

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 10/25/09 09:21 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 10/25/09 09:21 AM


If you truly believe this, you should also be calling for the death of most people in the federal government for their murdering of innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, etc.


THE REMEDY OF JUSTICE, MUST EQUAL THE INJUSTICE, OR THERE BE NO MEASURE TO JUSTICE, WHICH MEANS THERE NO LONGER BE ANY SUCH THING CALLED JUSTICE...

why is there a scale, meaning BALANCE, called the scale's of justice, if there be NO BALANCE???

THERE HAS TO BE A BAR, AS IF IT BE FLOATING, WITH NO DEFINED "CENTER", THEN THERE BE NO ??????????

common sense???

ALL LOGIC IS FOUNDED IN "EQUAL", OR JUST WHAT BE THE "MUST", JUST TO MAINTAIN HUMAN CIVILIZATION???

nature has balance, as it provide night, and to balance, the day, and winter to balance the summer, HOT TO BALANCE THE COLD???

there IS NO BALANCE OF ACTION, SO THEN BALANCE OF REASON, WHICH BE THE ONLY SANITY, IF THE "JUSTICE" DOES NOT EQUAL THE "INJUSTICE"???

if you kill, you will be killed, period!!!

if one kill, there life is ENDED!!!

if one kill for the sake of protecting a loved one, then this one loved it's own, and each one that was saved down the road, by removing such as these, whom have no repsect for human life as sacred and soverign, and do not recognize that such is to each endowed by being born, less one forfiet such, but stealing another's life???

to even begin to stare at ONE thing, called a "death penalty", hide the greater essence of what be most important IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY, which can only ever be protecting those whom "DO NOT WANT" TO MAIME, RAPE, PILLAGE, ABUSE, CUT, SHOOT, DISMEMBER, BEAT, EAT, RAVAGE, TORTURE, FROM THOSE WHO DO...

those who do laugh at the law, and show there is no regard even for any civilized system, and as such, do not then subscribe themself to the merit of any system, and so as such, should not expect such system to protect it, or fight for any priviledge of the person whom willfully and with all intent, abuse the human life of another...







in response to your quote at the top...

and why put the quote on top of the post, as it makes the quote to the outsider confusing???

but, as to your FED IS EVIL CAMPAIGN???

BE FOR REAL!!!

if i "REALLY" feel that way???

SO, YOU BELIEVE NOT MY "REAL WORDS"???

are the words penned my some other than myself???

than why would you deem them not how i "really feel"???

all words come thru a "feeling" do they not, and the words show the "feeling", so yes, i really do feel this way, lol...

but, DO NOT AT ALL, FEEL ALL IN THE FED ARE CORRUPT, AND KILLER'S!!!

such is a ludicris thing to believe in the first place, as no "impure motive" is common to all, as all are people, JUST LIKE YOU!!!

IT IS LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR SUCH TO EXIST???

but you have allowed only "some data" into yourself as true, which has left you to not even believe or see how these in the "fed" are REAL PEOPLE, and speak of them as some benign thing, as if they are not even HUMAN'S???

have you served in the "federal government"???

have you sent many troops to die in a foriegn land yet???

have you had to stay up all night, for many night's, burdened with the knowing your words and action's were going to change and effect MILLIONS of other live's, and that many would die BECAUSE OF YOU, AND YOUR DECISION???

than how can you condem what you know not of???

is not that as one telling another how to ride a bike, but having never ridden itself???

that is like saying ALL JEW'S ARE EVIL???

that is what "hitler bought into"???

and the "people" that bought into hitler then, HAD TO HAVE BEEN USING THE SAME LOGIC???

if they were not, they would have seen the terrible inferior fallicy of his logic, that shown thru in all his notion's and words and deeds???

the same logic would say all women are evil???

alll black haired gov worker's are suspect as evil???

it is totally emotionally based thinking, never needing any proof but what ITSELF WISH TO BELIEVE???

THAT IS CALLED, NO PROVEN LOGIC!!!???

that is no different in thought process, than saying all cops are corrupt, and on the take???

that is like saying all grocery store clerks steal???

like saying all that think as such see nothing but themself???

if one's own motive, was THE BEST INTEREST OF "ALL", AND NOT JUST THOSE WHOM AGREE WITH SELF, than it would be able to see, that IF WHAT YOU WROTE WAS INDEED TRUE, YOU JUST PUT ALL YOUR "LOVED ONE'S IN PERIL, FROM SUCH "FED" THAT YOU DEEM TO BE OF ALL IMPURE MOTIVE!!!???

SO, WHOM AND WHAT DO YOU FIGHT FOR???

yourself alone it would appear, as the words are not consistent except to that motive???

ALL PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL GOV???

dude, you need to take some friendly advice, from a friendly person, with friendly intent, that indeed, NOT ALL HAVE, and think long and hard about MAKING SUCH STATEMENT'S, LEST ONE HAS EMBRACED ALL THE MIND ITSELF WHISPER'S TO ONESELF, THAT COULD BE CREATED BY SUCH!!!

you do not read nor comprehend well, if you deem that i am "CALLING" for ANY ****ING HUMAN DEATH, or any action at all!!!

if you do not believe in your fellow man, that govern YOUR COUNTRY, than how can you deem it your country in which to live in???

that is no different, than one living in a small community, and deeming all in that community as evil's???

then move to where you want, and partake not in any of what that community affords you???

your own government, your own fellow man, and you BLANKETLY accuse them ALL, in public, of KILLING WITHOUT CAUSE, but, you feel and take this very casually, AS YOU AFFORD ONE SHREDD OF ANY PROOF, as one would think is only fair, when one accuse MANY OF IMPLICIT DECEPTION AND MURDER AND ABUSE???

nothing in this post "CALLED" FOR ANYTHING, LOL!!!???

you write as if words are law's already, and should be followed???

the only thing one follow's, is what it SEE'S AND KNOW'S AND AGREE'S UPON, IS GOOD FOR ALL INVOLVED, AND ALL INVOLVED IS EACH HUMAN LIFE IN THE WORLD???

i wish FOR NOTHING IN THIS POST TO BE PASSED INTO SOME LAW, DUDE!!!

the only law's or restraints on human behaviour i wish, ARE THOSE AGREED UPON BY ALL, SINCE SUCH WOULD EFFECT ALL!!!

you are looking but to promote what YOU and YOU alone WISH, leaving out ALL that do not have the same view, as somehow lesser being's, no different in mentality than ALL WOULDBEE DICTATOR'S THAT EVER LIVED IN HUMAN HISTORY???

this is simply a conversation about the "death penalty", and how IT IS USED IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF POWER, and why it does and does not work!!!???

one that is "just", does not find guilty, what did not know IN ADVANCE the consequence of it's own action's???

a "garaunteed happening" FOR ONE'S OWN ACTION, WE DO NOT HAVE!!!

such is different than a "floating bar" that has been created by "special interest" within the current system???

IF one get's lucky, with the right attorney, with the right money, one may elude justice, so, it will "take it's chances"???

a game of luck, of chance, has been created in the "perception's" of the less knowing, and therefore has created "the current crimminal mentality"???

as long as there is chance, in the mind of the perp, it will still deny possible reality, and therefore lead itself to it's own destruction, and take other's along with itself???

OF COURSE, if there is a "pin hole" in a damn, than it is the natural inclination of the human brain to find it, if it wish to convince itself of something, it want's to do, allowing that "pinhole" it found to wash itself down the drain when self reasoning has been washed away!!!???

and we wonder why there is no respect for the "law", which be in place to PROTECT ALL???

but, i forgot, you need no protection, nor any service, from any federal government, as you denounce such, and so then as well, anything that THEY HELPED CREATE RIGHT???

WELL, THAT IS ****ING EVERYTHING THAT EXIST'S RIGHT NOW!!!???

nothing exist now, except by all that happened before it???

we can not KNOW now, less there was what "did happen", to know what is KNOWN NOW???

so, anything, everything, must be included in this thing called reality, which is what currently exist???

MY CONSLUSION'S, are based upon this logic, which leaves no HUMAN OUT AS SOME DEVIANT, SOME EVIL, THAT WAS NOT SO, BECAUSE OF WHAT "ITSELF KNEW" AT "THAT TIME"...

if time progress's, so does human thinking, or we would not have evolved unto any greater knowing, than primitive man???

that is what i am talking about!!!

changing for the better, the things within our current system, that can or could or would be better, if the "self interest" of some, such as fought for by lobbyist, did not have a strong enough arm of control, to manipulate justice simply for the sake of their own self interest???

so, the post is pointing out that THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL, is the only thing one can look at, which is the only way to strike a BALANCE, OR THE ONLY FAIR, OR THE ONLY BAR THAT CAN OR SHOULD EXIST, be the ONLY BEST INTEREST POSSIBLE, WITH 6.6 BILLION IN THE WORLD AND CLIMBING FAST???

it CANNOT BE WHAT IS GOOD FOR SOME, OR MANY, BUT MUST BE BEST FOR "ALL"...

IF SUCH IS PEERED AT, THEN THE NARROW PATH DOWN THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE IS MORE EASILY SEEN, AHH, i mean, such is the only way to see it at all, lol...

one's that insist on wanting to maime and torture and rape ****ing women and children on our streets, is what are i am tallking about???

and, you understand, that WHAT YOU SPEAK OF, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBLE WAY TO KNOW SUCH???

YOUR SIMPLY REPEATING WHAT YOU "HEARD"???

if you DID NOT SEE IT YOURSELF, OR HEAR IT YOURSELF, FIRST HAND, THAN YOU DON'T KNOW IT HAPPENED, AND THAT IS TRUE FOR ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND CIVILIZATION???

oh, i know you so think you know, BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THE TRUE MOTIVE OF MANY YOU ACCUSE???

you lift from my words, only the part that suite's you, leaving out all the rest, lol...

typical and always, for what only peer thru itself in all matter's that concern ALL...

those whom do not believe in their own system, enough to work to effect good and better change, should not take or use the system in any way for it's own self interest???

it is A CONFLICT OF INTEREST???

to damn all car's, but to drive one as well???

to damn all electricity, but have electric in one's home???

come one man...

DON'T EVER BUY FROM A GROCERY STORE, OR USE THE MAIL, OR THE PHONE SYSTEM, AND DRIVE NOT ON ANY ROAD, AS ALL THAT IS, WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT ALL THAT WAS, WHICH INCLUDES THE FEDRERAL GOVERNMENT!!!???

only a small minded commoner, trying to sound and be smart, would believe ONLY SELECTIVE WORDS FROM IT'S ENVIRONMENT, AND DOING SUCH, ALLOW ITSELF TO BE TAINTED, and thus fall to but personal agenda, the very same thing IT DENOUNCE AND HATE ABOUT IT'S "PERCIEVED" ENEMIES???

JUST HOW MUCH "INTELLIGENCE" IS THAT???

JUST HOW MUCH "SELF CONTROL" IS THAT???

JUST HOW SMART IS ONE, THAT SOMEONE CAN "TELL" SOMETHING TO, AND THIS ONE IMMEDIATLEY BELIEVE'S IT, AND CALLS FOR MANY PEOPLE TO BE PUT TO DEATH, BASED ON THE "TELLING" IT HEARD???

COME ONE DUDE, DON'T BE SO ****ING GULLIBLE!!!

your comprehension and words are tainted with pre-disposed malice and bias toward such Allied action's, biased toward what you CANNOT KNOW!!!

if one is going to put their life on the line, and the life of all itself love, that depend on itself, than i would NOT DO SUCH WITHOUT PROOF, NEVER BASING SUCH ON JUST A FEW SELECT WORDS OR PERCEPTION'S, OUT OF THE "BILLION'S" OF WORDS AS PERCEPTION'S SPEWED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT!!!???

the words you pick to believe in, do not give the words any merit, but rather show what you are, and what kind of person YOU ARE, and what lie in your heart, to only believe the few words it picked to believe in...

ahh, such matched what itself wanted to find, and provided something to hate, and something to use to allow oneself to think higher of itself, so as to not have to peer into any self mirror, all alone???



peace outta




wow

that was really long wasnt it

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Sun 10/25/09 09:39 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Sun 10/25/09 09:41 AM
LOL...

i am indeed indebted to those whom it may offend...

i thought it needed, as MY WORDS WERE TAINTED AND TIED TO SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTE IDIOCY OF LOGIC to me, and all that i am, is my words, and anything that try's to tie or attaches itself to me, doing so by using my words, well...

since such action was created by the response to my post, it demanded a why, how, what, where and when, of whyt i DO NOT endorse, nor subscribe to, or see any merit in such inferior malicious blanket ideologies as was written...

the best interest of all is my guide, and what i heard spoken was detrimental to this individual's own life as being healthy, and positive, mentally and physically, AS THE "KNOWING" IN THE MIND BELIEVED, DETERMINE HOW ONE'S BODY "FEELS", and HOW ITSELF REACTS, so controls ALL OF ONE'S OWN FATE, AND DESTINY, and as such, i hoped that perhap's such notion's based on partial data, and of personal bias, i might persuade him to lay aside, for the common good of himself, and for all, by plainly trying, no matter how bad of a job, to show how such is not logical, nor actually even realistic, so than probably FAR FROM THE WHOLE TRUTH, in any case of any reality...

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Sun 10/25/09 09:54 AM

LOL...

i am indeed indebted to those whom it may offend...

i thought it needed, as MY WORDS WERE TAINTED AND TIED TO SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTE IDIOCY OF LOGIC to me, and all that i am, is my words, and anything that try's to tie or attaches itself to me, doing so by using my words, well...

since such action was created by the response to my post, it demanded a why, how, what, where and when, of whyt i DO NOT endorse, nor subscribe to, or see any merit in such inferior malicious blanket ideologies as was written...

the best interest of all is my guide, and what i heard spoken was detrimental to this individual's own life as being healthy, and positive, mentally and physically, AS THE "KNOWING" IN THE MIND BELIEVED, DETERMINE HOW ONE'S BODY "FEELS", and HOW ITSELF REACTS, so controls ALL OF ONE'S OWN FATE, AND DESTINY, and as such, i hoped that perhap's such notion's based on partial data, and of personal bias, i might persuade him to lay aside, for the common good of himself, and for all, by plainly trying, no matter how bad of a job, to show how such is not logical, nor actually even realistic, so than probably FAR FROM THE WHOLE TRUTH, in any case of any reality...


I understood why you wrote all you did. You are obviously someone who will stand by what you believe in, that's not a bad quality to have.

Throughout all the conversations/debates on various controversial topics, the one thing I think we can all agree on is we should be thankful that we are allowed to have our own opinions and beliefs.

It can be frustrating when someone believes something that makes no sense to our own way of thinking. I do think it is important that we at least can acknowledge their right to believe how they wish as well...regardless of how we personally feel.

Which, is always, easier said than done.

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Sun 10/25/09 10:12 AM
Once I was Sarah but now I am just dead
A untimely departure delivered from Fred
A thief of virginity & taker of my life
Lying in wait for some mortician's knife
The cold steel table is chilling to bone
Unclean & bruised I feel horribly alone
A mask of sterility upon this dirty skin
Invading my nostrils with his filthy sin
My ligature necklace so colorful & bold
No prints left sadly from a killers hold
No cowardly departure for I offered fight
I thrashed and clawed with terrible might
A psychotic bastard driven by evil intent
His advantaged strength left my body bent
A stench of fury with no discerning sound
Screams were silenced as I frailed around
With a quickened prayer as sight went dim
Slide frame memories held precious within
A tunnel of light within a distance I see
I refuse to enter until my spirit is free
Drifting aimless with my tear soaked skin
Awaiting my justice for his mortified sin
No sound nor footsteps left upon my trail
I am humbled by silence while he prevails
Solemn and frightened as I remain unheard
Basking within sorrow & my notions absurd
Surrounding love as I'm lowered in ground
Alongside my pleas no accompanying sound
There is no time left nor company to bear
Saddening memories filled with love & care
I harbor no hatred for the heart does see
At judgment you'll cower with unheard plea
Your Honor may you answer my final request
So a final home ventured lies eternal rest

Written by CyPoet 7/22/08(copyrighted)

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Sun 10/25/09 11:19 AM


(last few messages have been creepy, to me)


So.........

If anyone else has any other opinions regarding the Death Penalty that you would like to share, please do so.

Dawn


I am sorry Dawnie i guess i spend most of my time here in those intimacy threads so am not used to hanging around women with such elegance and class like yourself, i guess i forget just how diverse this community is, i came to this section though as i wanted to add a bit of variety to my stay here to talk about serious issues, well my view is that killing cannot be justified to "right a wrong" or for "retribution" or whatever, if the purpose is to protect the innocent and weak then yes, by all means do it, there was a fourth aim of punishment, i forgot what it was, oh that's right rehabilitation which is to make the offender a better person, that's not always so easy though and most people that have been deeply hurt want to strike back, forgiveness is difficult to impossible if you lost someone you deeply loved, the truth is someone killed my half-brother many years and years ago but i certainly don't want to meet the guy or have anything to do with him, let alone forgive him, though after being in jail for twenty years (still a few years to go, but by 2017 the time will be up) then he will probably be set loose. perhaps he will be rehabilitated i don't know. unfortunately, it's more likely that he will come out like a crazy caged animal on another rampage or whatever and just end up locked up again...but it's not an issue at present, with any luck he will hang himself or get AIDS from being raped or something long before he gets out. i know that sounds awful, but the fact is it's all good to speak of compassion and all the rest of it, but when you're directly involved in the whole ordeal, it becomes a different matter doesn't it?

i am sorry Dawn I didn't mean to be creepy sorry.

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Sun 10/25/09 11:23 AM


LOL...

i am indeed indebted to those whom it may offend...

i thought it needed, as MY WORDS WERE TAINTED AND TIED TO SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTE IDIOCY OF LOGIC to me, and all that i am, is my words, and anything that try's to tie or attaches itself to me, doing so by using my words, well...

since such action was created by the response to my post, it demanded a why, how, what, where and when, of whyt i DO NOT endorse, nor subscribe to, or see any merit in such inferior malicious blanket ideologies as was written...

the best interest of all is my guide, and what i heard spoken was detrimental to this individual's own life as being healthy, and positive, mentally and physically, AS THE "KNOWING" IN THE MIND BELIEVED, DETERMINE HOW ONE'S BODY "FEELS", and HOW ITSELF REACTS, so controls ALL OF ONE'S OWN FATE, AND DESTINY, and as such, i hoped that perhap's such notion's based on partial data, and of personal bias, i might persuade him to lay aside, for the common good of himself, and for all, by plainly trying, no matter how bad of a job, to show how such is not logical, nor actually even realistic, so than probably FAR FROM THE WHOLE TRUTH, in any case of any reality...


I understood why you wrote all you did. You are obviously someone who will stand by what you believe in, that's not a bad quality to have.

Throughout all the conversations/debates on various controversial topics, the one thing I think we can all agree on is we should be thankful that we are allowed to have our own opinions and beliefs.

It can be frustrating when someone believes something that makes no sense to our own way of thinking. I do think it is important that we at least can acknowledge their right to believe how they wish as well...regardless of how we personally feel.

Which, is always, easier said than done.


to respond is acknowledgment of their right to speak, is it not???

lest one find the only substance in itself is telling another to "shut up", then one is allowing and enbracing each one's individual substance of free speech, lol...

oh, i find it very easy to see why people believe what they believe, and understand all the merit in why each first believed such, lol...

it is not hard if one know's logistically and logically why NOT to dispute another's perception as not valid, lol...

to tell of why it may not be totally the most perception possible, be another story all together...


as of course, all the truth be but all that happen, and all that happen be but all that transpire in one's world, which be the whole earth, so the largest truth could never be aquired except to hear all the perception's of all, and NOT FALL PREY TO JUST HEARING SOME, and THEN, AND ONLY THEN, assimilate all those perception's thru own's own insight, which of course, WOULD HAVE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO PRODUCE WITHIN A LARGER OR MOST PERCEPTION, OR, PERHAPS CALLING IT JUST A LARGER PERCEPTION OF ANY PROPOSED REALITY???

if people did not do this, well, what "common logic or reasoning" would exist???

ahh, but it cannot be misssed, that within the present culture and environment, that increased tendency to deny ALL THINGS, except what self already knew or know's, lol...

would seem to coincide with the increased agitation and frustration you do mention, but it is only NOT doing as mentioned, that could EVER create even the first potential for such you speak of...

that only most show's YOU become frustrated over such things, lol...

i am not you girl, lol...

the inclination that i am "as you", is to think in inception that all brain's are alike in process and logic, and as such, would naturally create this frustration you speak honestly about???

to even begin to think such even in inception, would increase also increase the resistence to all outside knowing that could be aquired, as one will naturally use this same logic, to determine what itself think's of other's motive's and intention's, which will make one hear other's words as less LIKELY to be true and real each day as time proceeds, and the mind establishes such thru repetitive thought pattern's...

each is indeed the judge of itself, and of all itself hear's, from any outside source, as who else's mind dictate's to self it's OWN thought's, which make it's OWN words, which make it's OWN action's, other than self???

brings to mind the nefarious notion many deem a guide for the living, and to determine fate, the old fateful saying "judge not that lest ye be judged", lol...

who that is honorable does not want other's feedback about itself, which is to hear their insight, which is to hear their accessment, which is to allow them to voice their best judgement of any given thing they hear or see???

lol...

quite ironic that there would be no civilized society, lest we had court's that judge the action of all, that there would be no sanity lest all were the judge of all it seen and heard, lol...

funny how turning words into "imagination's" can dictate to any group of people, the entire fate of all, lol...

of course, we all MUST speak of what is either suitable for society as a whole, or not suitable, or we go back to "primitive", but indeed we have in many way's already, by following but figment's of words that sound good, but actually create "lack of logical deduction of what any word or action will CREATE INTO EXISTENCE???

to judge is simply to use and voice one's own judgement or insight into anything certaqin thing, and it is not missed, that that which does not wish to hear except from what always "confirm's' or validate's itself, well, it cannot be denied that such has no other choice but to cut oneself off from all learning, and lead itself to the trap of self delusion...

LOL...

funny that such could only lead further from one's own most sanity, and creates only less knowing, which be less intelligence...

creates massive extra fear within any group of people, that none need added to what already exist, and well, does nothing but create more harm...

who would not thrust themself thru the eye's of another speaker, to aquire what be the only way of success, or happiness, which is to INCREASE WHAT ONE "KNOWS"???

AND AGAIN, as far as frustration, well, this only MOST comes from "expecting" in life from other's, in some way or case, for one to believe oneself, and validate oneself, without seeing the BURDEN OF PROOF, of wisdom, of all good, IS ON THE BURDEN OF THE SPEAKER, AND NOT THE HEARER, IN ALL CASES AT ALL TIMES...

to carry oneself along the tide's of the universe, where all balance and harmony exist, one must blend it's knowing with nature and the universe itself, and to not, well, one will later wish it had already done so many moons and earth's ago, lol...

just one cent


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Mon 10/26/09 05:58 AM
so many moon's and earths ago?? what are you talking about??

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Tue 10/27/09 08:35 PM


We received our papers back today in class, and I scored a 94 on mine.


I am still researching much regarding this subject, but I'm glad the paper is complete and graded!

:wink:

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Tue 10/27/09 08:39 PM
For. The Bible supports Capital punishment.

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Tue 10/27/09 08:40 PM
Sorry. Disregard my last post. =)

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Tue 10/27/09 08:49 PM

For. The Bible supports Capital punishment.


But god doesn't because vengence is his alone.

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Wed 10/28/09 08:45 PM

Sorry. Disregard my last post. =)


But it was so short, and to the point. Why disregard it?
Did you change your mind after posting that? And welcome to mingle2!

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Thu 10/29/09 05:14 AM
wouldn't God who is meant to be all powerful and omniscient just strike you down anyway? if a criminal kills someone it was meant to happen, but then again if a murderer goes to jail that was also meant to happen

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Thu 10/29/09 05:54 AM
Against it. How does killing someone punish them? Duh.
^.^

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Fri 10/30/09 07:27 AM
because when they are dead they are not around to do it again, plus an execution is an incredibly violent and painful experience i guess. it corrupts your own soul though.

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