And they can look like any of us. Maybe they are here and observing stuff. Kinda like me.

Wow, your employment is high! Missouri was around 9.3% in September. That's high for us. St. Louis' employment was up by 2,200 that month though.

Illegals do what nobody else wants to do in my area too.

Yea still applies.

Our ancestors, except for the real natives to this land of course, came here looking for a better life. I cannot deny others the same desire my ancestors had.

Now there's an idea.

I'm sure her house is nicer than mine.

I'll just go to her house and walk right in since the line marking her property is invisible.

I wouldn't really be doing anything criminal after all.

Now I do agree that we need to be tracking folks who are here but making them afraid to be found by naming them illegal and making them defensive for their life will not help us to track who is here.

Finding employers who hire them will end the issues with them coming here for jobs. They do not get welfare or any other government benefits so the jobs are what keep them coming here.

Not the same.

Do you realize that those ancestors even had a way to be aknowledged and counted? And there were FAR fewer people populating our lands at that time to have to keep track of. It would be unrealistic to permit anyone and everyone into a place just because they want to be there. Everyone has the right to know something about who is entering their home and so should the nation do with those entering its lands. Some will not meet the requirements and others will, kind of like not everyone gets into an IVY league school just because they want the best. Certain expectations are required as they are to enter the USA or any other country. To say that requiring people to be checked and counted before entering is DENYING some basic human right is not an honest assessment of the whole picture.

In our neighborhoods, we want to research the crime rate, the educational system and any number of other factors that may determine where we want to live. The country has an immigration department for that same reason. Nothing discriminatory about keeping track on some short level of who resides in these lands.

No such thing as "real natives" everybody here today indian or otherwise are ancestors of nomads who crossed the berring land bridge. People didn't sprout from the ground like potatoes, albeit their were people here prior to the vikings, followed by christopher columbus, but this wasn't a country at that time, it was a land.

You are not accurate in your history and how do you know it wasn't a country of indians? Just because indians did not feel one could own land doesn't mean it wasn't rightfully theirs and still is.

I already agreed with you on this.

Now I do agree that we need to be tracking folks who are here but making them afraid to be found by naming them illegal and making them defensive for their life will not help us to track who is here.

Finding employers who hire them will end the issues with them coming here for jobs. They do not get welfare or any other government benefits so the jobs are what keep them coming here


I agree, with the second paragraph. Remove the incentive that brings them here against the laws and much of the problem would be relieved.
As to the first paragraph, I kind of liken it to saying, dont advertise thieves as thieves because they may not come forward. If you are here illegally,, illegal is a fitting adjective to describe you. I mean,, considering that my husband was considered a non resident ALIEN,,illegal immigrants shouldnt feel so bad about a label.

Ahhhh....so you have a double standard then.

You cannot claim that the border to our entire country is just an " invisible " line that people can cross whenever they want, and then turn around and say that your property line is different.

After all..that property line is just as invisible as the border. Not to mention, it's against the law to just stroll into your house and take up residence.

You can't have it both ways, Dragoness. They are either breaking the laws as they are written, or your house is just as much fair game as our borders.

Your not proving anything by me here at all. I know what laws are and I know what is illegal.

The level of illegality is different for entering a country where you can rent a house and work and pay taxes, yes they do buy stuff and pay bills so they pay taxes, etc... and entering someone elses home. It is just not the same thing.

Illegals aliens pay taxes???

Since when??

Unless they are in a state that has a sales tax ( ours is 6% ) they pay squat for taxes.

that's not true. if they are drawing a paycheck that's not under the table, then they are paying taxes. they might be using a false social security number, but they definitely pay...they just can't withdraw at a later date.

sales tax, tax on gas, tax on phone service...taxes are everywhere.

Oh now that statement, at least part of it, is utterly absurd.

" If they are drawing a paycheck that's not under the table..."

Come on. How many of them do you really think aren't getting paid cash so that not only are THEY not paying taxes, but the employer isn't paying payroll taxes???

Think about it. If an employer is unscrupulous enough to hire them in the first place because he can get REALLY cheap labor, what makes you think he's going to pay them by check and pay taxes for employing them???

Yer killing me here...lmao

It must be nice living in the land of make believe Watch out for meow meow kitty meow.

What color is the sky in your world??

Jobs are everywhere?? Ilegal aliens don't get welfare or other government benefits?? Everything you've said throughout this whole thread -- everything from misinformation to outright lies -- has been laughable.

Forgive me, but this is where need to step in. Let me start out by saying I am all for humanitarian measures. However, what many people need to realize is that to provide "humanitarian" aid to illegal aliens, thus creates INHUMANE conditions to legal citizens.

First, for those who claim they believe in the same thing as our ancestors who came over here looking for a better place t live, thus believe in allowing others to do so as well; yes our forefathers came from a tyrannical England (nothing personal to the English of today lol), and settled here. Yes they made mistakes, LIKE ALL HUMANS DO. However, do not forget that it was our forefathers who created the constitution of the United States, and it was our forefathers who declared that in order to live in this new country you had to be a legal resident. Guidlelines were drawn up on how to apply for citizenship and thus be able to live here and strive for the American dream, etc.
So, our forefathers, made steps to ensuring that everyone who lived here, belongs here, and has the same right and chance to live here as anyone else.

Second, by granting amnesty, or abolishing citizenship regulations and laws, yuo are denying the American dream to Americans. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, America is a COUNTRY, and as a country it can only provide for tis own people (which it is failing to do on a very lrge scale which increases daily). We can not help those who are unwilling to follow the guidelines and proper procedures first, when our own people are out of work, starving, and freezing to death on the streets because all our resources are going towards the non-citizen.

Yes, they do.

If they have fake Social Security cards, they pay into Social Security and never get back any Social Security. They pay rent. You know that the landlord includes his real estate tax in that rent. They are consumers. Every time that they buy something, they pay taxes.