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Topic: Should Weight Impact Your Health Care Costs?
A1CBob's photo
Sun 10/11/09 11:40 AM
Edited by A1CBob on Sun 10/11/09 11:45 AM
Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/11/09 11:53 AM

Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.

BigBoyOfNV's photo
Sun 10/11/09 11:54 AM
yes it should, I am a heavy guy and can tell you that the health side for a heavy person requires far more money.

Look at it like a Risky car driver, do you want to pay for his car accidents?

silly's photo
Sun 10/11/09 11:56 AM
If that is the case then alot of ppl will be paying more for there health care.unfortunately this country is now a country of obese pple.frustrated

damnitscloudy's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:35 PM
Thats the dumbest idea ever. So Obama wants health care for all, except fat people because they are fat.

What if you have a condition that makes you gain weight? What if your bloodline is full of fat people and that affects you too? rant

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:37 PM

Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


That is stupid. Weight is not the person's fault always so it would be discriminatory.

It won't pass. If it does it will be appealled.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:37 PM


Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.


Not.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:38 PM

Thats the dumbest idea ever. So Obama wants health care for all, except fat people because they are fat.

What if you have a condition that makes you gain weight? What if your bloodline is full of fat people and that affects you too? rant


Obama never said it at all. The OP added Obama to the post.slaphead

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:41 PM



Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.


Not.


In MOST cases, weight can be controlled. as far as Obama being put to blame on this too,, the post says NORTH CAROLINA will require,, not OBama will require. It is no different to companies disallowing smokers because of health premiums for their care. People dont HAVE to smoke, people dont HAVE to be fat. These things are the results of personal bad choices, not BAD PEOPLE let me emphasize,, just Bad choices. There are genetic reasons people will be heavy but very rarely genetic reasons for people to be OBESE,,,thats a different category.

mssilverfox's photo
Sun 10/11/09 12:46 PM
And in some cases medications will cause weight gain...

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:02 PM

And in some cases medications will cause weight gain...


True

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:11 PM

And in some cases medications will cause weight gain...


Weight gain can also be caused by health conditions such as hypothyroidism, food sensitivity, Cushing's syndrome, organ disease, prescription drug use, anxiety, blood sugar imbalance, and essential fatty acid deficiency.

To name a few.

People want to judge others for their weight and they are not just in doing it.

They do not know that the person is heavy because they are not living right. So it is prejudice and unjust.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:12 PM




Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.


Not.


In MOST cases, weight can be controlled. as far as Obama being put to blame on this too,, the post says NORTH CAROLINA will require,, not OBama will require. It is no different to companies disallowing smokers because of health premiums for their care. People dont HAVE to smoke, people dont HAVE to be fat. These things are the results of personal bad choices, not BAD PEOPLE let me emphasize,, just Bad choices. There are genetic reasons people will be heavy but very rarely genetic reasons for people to be OBESE,,,thats a different category.


You are inaccurate in your assumptions.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:17 PM





Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.


Not.


In MOST cases, weight can be controlled. as far as Obama being put to blame on this too,, the post says NORTH CAROLINA will require,, not OBama will require. It is no different to companies disallowing smokers because of health premiums for their care. People dont HAVE to smoke, people dont HAVE to be fat. These things are the results of personal bad choices, not BAD PEOPLE let me emphasize,, just Bad choices. There are genetic reasons people will be heavy but very rarely genetic reasons for people to be OBESE,,,thats a different category.


You are inaccurate in your assumptions.


OK. I will conceed that I misstated my argument earlier. I shouldnt have even mentioned weight. The issue in the op is BMI which has much less to do with weight as it does HEALTH. If people have an unhealthy BMI, usually, that is something they can do something about and maintain.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:19 PM
Other medical conditions listed in the Disease Database as possible causes of Weight gain as a symptom include:

Cardiac failure, right sided
Clozapine
Cushing's syndrome
Cyproterone
Diabetes mellitus type 2
Ethanol
Ethinylestradiol
Haloperidol
Hypothyroidism
Immobility
Insulin
Insulinoma
Intracranial space-occupying lesion
Mianserin
Obesity
Oedema
Olanzapine
Orchidectomy
Pituitary tumour (growth hormone secreting)
Pizotifen
Prader-Willi syndrome
Prednisolone
Pregnancy
Renal failure, acute
Testosterone
Trifluperidol

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:20 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sun 10/11/09 01:22 PM






Oct. 11: In an effort to reduce health care costs, North Carolina may require state workers whose body mass index exceeds a certain limit to pay more for their insurance. Former plus-size model Catherine Schuller and John Banz-Haf of George Washing University discuss the issue.

Find the video from Today Show 10/11/2009

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health

Can't wait for Obama Health Care?? Once North Carolina requires this, watch other States jump on, then watch your Employers jump on. If your 40-50 lbs over weight you will pay more.

Bob out


Thats ok, Weight is something that can be helped and managed, good incentive.


Not.


In MOST cases, weight can be controlled. as far as Obama being put to blame on this too,, the post says NORTH CAROLINA will require,, not OBama will require. It is no different to companies disallowing smokers because of health premiums for their care. People dont HAVE to smoke, people dont HAVE to be fat. These things are the results of personal bad choices, not BAD PEOPLE let me emphasize,, just Bad choices. There are genetic reasons people will be heavy but very rarely genetic reasons for people to be OBESE,,,thats a different category.


You are inaccurate in your assumptions.


OK. I will conceed that I misstated my argument earlier. I shouldnt have even mentioned weight. The issue in the op is BMI which has much less to do with weight as it does HEALTH. If people have an unhealthy BMI, usually, that is something they can do something about and maintain.


Not. That is the same thing. It is prejudice to assume an overweight person is lazy, not eating right, etc... YOu don't know them nor how they live nor what they suffer.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:25 PM
BMI does not measure overweight, It measures a certain proportionality.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/11/09 01:29 PM

BMI does not measure overweight, It measures a certain proportionality.


What is proportionality?

Weight...lol

It is still a prejudice assumption to assume that all over weight folks are that way because they are lazy or whatever. We cannot know unless we live inside of them so it is a useless prejudice to have to begin with.

It only makes us look bad to have that prejudice, it doesn't help the over weight folks at all.

A1CBob's photo
Sun 10/11/09 02:14 PM
Edited by A1CBob on Sun 10/11/09 02:19 PM

BMI does not measure overweight, It measures a certain proportionality.


Body mass index (BMI) is a measure of body fat based on height and weight that applies to both adult men and women

Link to Calculator http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

:)

Bob Out

P.S. My BMI is...24.2

* Underweight = <18.5
* Normal weight = 18.5-24.9
* Overweight = 25-29.9
* Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater

Cool I'm normal.

Bob Out

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Mon 10/12/09 06:31 AM
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