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Topic: do spiritual people have committed relationships?..
AGoodGuy1026's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:14 AM
Ok, this is a question - not a rant or an opinion of mine...

I do not understand "spirituality" very much, having been rased catholic...

my question is, Do "spiritual" people enter into committed relationships... or does "The Universe" prescribe that they merely have acquaintances -- and relationships are "transient"... (i.e. people come into your life for a reason, but not forever... yada yada)...

hope that question makes sense...

drinker

Jill298's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:29 AM
No Sorry. Not making sense to me... Can you elaborate?

Jill298's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:30 AM
It almost seems like you're questioning whether or not someone other than catholics can have a long lasting meaningful relationship?

AGoodGuy1026's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:35 AM
so, I have been reading a little about metaphysics and spirituality... which is quite different for me having been raised catholic.

It seems, that (please correct me if I am wrong) that some spirituality revolves around "The Universe" and that, the universe provides direction in your life. If you want love, ask the universe... if you want financial success - ask the universe. It also seems that in my reading I have come accross reference to "purging negativity" from your life, living without fear because the universe is providing direction in our life... and the people (and relationships) are a part of this life, meeting people is not random, and everything has a purpose...

Does this mean someone who is "spiritual" meets someone, starts a relationship - then if they meet someone else they get to say "I can dump my last relationship becuase the universe is providing me with a new one"?? Can spiritual people who believe these things have a committed relationship?....

It all seems so differnt to me, just trying to understand more than anytyhing... sorry I do not have any specific examples...

Queene123's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:36 AM

Ok, this is a question - not a rant or an opinion of mine...

I do not understand "spirituality" very much, having been rased catholic...

my question is, Do "spiritual" people enter into committed relationships... or does "The Universe" prescribe that they merely have acquaintances -- and relationships are "transient"... (i.e. people come into your life for a reason, but not forever... yada yada)...

hope that question makes sense...

drinker


i was raised as a catholic but i also have other spiritual belifes for im a spiritual reader
as for you question if spiritual people naming me can have a committed relationship....WELL YEA i have been in several and im sure many others have as well.
i know a shaman that has been married to her hubby over 10yrs

AGoodGuy1026's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:38 AM

It almost seems like you're questioning whether or not someone other than catholics can have a long lasting meaningful relationship?


In reading my post (which is not written very well) I can definately understand giving that impression. It's not what I meant. What I intended to convey is that, being raised catholic it is all that I know.

I am tyring to understand concepts that are foreign to me, no make any judgements by any means...

:)

thank you for asking.

Queene123's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:39 AM

so, I have been reading a little about metaphysics and spirituality... which is quite different for me having been raised catholic.

It seems, that (please correct me if I am wrong) that some spirituality revolves around "The Universe" and that, the universe provides direction in your life. If you want love, ask the universe... if you want financial success - ask the universe. It also seems that in my reading I have come accross reference to "purging negativity" from your life, living without fear because the universe is providing direction in our life... and the people (and relationships) are a part of this life, meeting people is not random, and everything has a purpose...

Does this mean someone who is "spiritual" meets someone, starts a relationship - then if they meet someone else they get to say "I can dump my last relationship becuase the universe is providing me with a new one"?? Can spiritual people who believe these things have a committed relationship?....

It all seems so differnt to me, just trying to understand more than anytyhing... sorry I do not have any specific examples...


people that are spiritual are just like anyone else as if you have problems in your relationship and nothing can be done well do what you know is best,
spiritual people have issue just like anyone else

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 10/07/09 09:39 AM

so, I have been reading a little about metaphysics and spirituality... which is quite different for me having been raised catholic.

It seems, that (please correct me if I am wrong) that some spirituality revolves around "The Universe" and that, the universe provides direction in your life. If you want love, ask the universe... if you want financial success - ask the universe. It also seems that in my reading I have come accross reference to "purging negativity" from your life, living without fear because the universe is providing direction in our life... and the people (and relationships) are a part of this life, meeting people is not random, and everything has a purpose...

Does this mean someone who is "spiritual" meets someone, starts a relationship - then if they meet someone else they get to say "I can dump my last relationship becuase the universe is providing me with a new one"?? Can spiritual people who believe these things have a committed relationship?....

It all seems so differnt to me, just trying to understand more than anytyhing... sorry I do not have any specific examples...


No, spiritual peeps are just like anyone else when it comes to love and relationships.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:02 AM
I imagine that "spiritual" people probably break up just as often as Catholic couples do.

I always thought that Catholics believed in spirit? Wouldn't that make them "spiritual people" too?

It seems to me that you're confusing the term "Spiritual" with some particular religion, faith, or tradition.

All religious people are "Spiritual" (unless they are totally fake).

But not all "Spiritual" people are religious.

I've personally been a naturally spiritual person since as far back as I can remember (even before I understood what religion was).

For a while I was a "Christian" which is a religion. I considered myself to be 'spiritual' when I was a "Christian".

Later I realized that Christianity isn't what I thought it was and so I become non-religious. Yet I was still "spiritual".

Then I studied Eastern Mysticism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc.

While I found them quite interesting a constructive in many ways I never truly found them fulfilling, so I never truly became 'religious' with any of them, although I supposed I did for maybe about 3 years of my life when I was practicing Yoga meditations.

I became an agonostic 'spiritualist'. That may sound like a contradiction in terms, but I use that term even today because I've finally concluded that until I actually know what's going one I'd be lying to myself, as well as to any spirits or "gods" that might exist, if I pretended to know something that I truly don't know. So it's just an act of honesty on my part.

Finally, I became interested in witchcraft and shamanism and I feel like I'm finally home. I now consider this to be my 'religion'. My spirituality has never changed, but it has become enriched by the religious traditions of witchcraft and shamanism.

As far as a committed relationship is concerned, I'm monogamous by nature so that's just a given part of what I am, it has nothing to do with any attempt at satisfying any rules of any religions.

I'm not sure if I agree with making life-long committments to love someone though. Any committments between two people should be between them. Maybe they aren't interested in staying together for an entire life. Living with someone that you're not happy being around just to satify some religious tradition seems to me to be the epitome of evil.

That's my view. Yours may vary.

I don't think that I would marry someone that I didn't at least intent on spending the rest of my life with. But then again I never married for that very reason. I never met anyone that I would want to spend the rest of my life with.

So remaining single is always an option. In fact, didn't Jesus even suggest that if a person can do without marriage they would be better off?

Maybe making no committments to anyone is the best way to go. drinker

Then you don't need to worry about breaking them. :wink:

ArtGurl's photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:19 AM
Being spiritual does not equate to fickle. In 20 years with my husband there were plenty of opportunities to go elsewhere if I chose to. I did not.

If we got rid of all these labels and just thought of ourselves as human .... sigh ...

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:45 AM

If we got rid of all these labels and just thought of ourselves as human .... sigh ...


How interestingly unique.

An natural being. :banana:

tinydancer01's photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:46 AM
i was raised catholic and still keep the teachings but i have a spirituality in taoism and i feel religion or sprirituality should be the journey of the individual...it is ok to be an example for someone who might want a more spritual life but i feel in a relationship spirituality should not the focal point or even put as a means to a successful relationship

no photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:48 AM
True spritual people do nt make relation becoz every relation binds you in chain.those people main aim is to free themselves from the suffering of life and death and to find the true meaning of life which is in their thinking is to get the source of everlasting bliss which is just god nothing else

no photo
Wed 10/07/09 10:58 AM
Spirituality has nothing to do with religion, really, they are quite often separate. I myself believe in God in all her manifestations, I believe in power beyond myself, I have faith. I don't believe in organized religion.

I was married for 15 years before we split. My boyfriend, I've been with him for 2 years and counting. I believe in commitment.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 10/07/09 11:03 AM

True spritual people do nt make relation becoz every relation binds you in chain.those people main aim is to free themselves from the suffering of life and death and to find the true meaning of life which is in their thinking is to get the source of everlasting bliss which is just god nothing else


Well, you say "True Spiritual People".

But doesn't that depend on the belief system?

Not all spiritual people believe that true bliss and finding god requires a rejection of the experiences of life. On the contrary some spiritual people believe that to enjoy and participate in life in the fullest is the best way to know God.

So I would argue that the concept of "True spirtuality" that you are suggesting here is only "true" for the people who feel that such a philosophy is valid. I'm pretty sure that many spiritual people would offer other possible pathways to divine bliss. :wink:

Who's to say what's "true"? All they can really say is what's true for them.

By the way, welcome to the forums. drinker

Jill298's photo
Wed 10/07/09 12:28 PM
Edited by Jill298 on Wed 10/07/09 12:29 PM

so, I have been reading a little about metaphysics and spirituality... which is quite different for me having been raised catholic.

It seems, that (please correct me if I am wrong) that some spirituality revolves around "The Universe" and that, the universe provides direction in your life. If you want love, ask the universe... if you want financial success - ask the universe. It also seems that in my reading I have come accross reference to "purging negativity" from your life, living without fear because the universe is providing direction in our life... and the people (and relationships) are a part of this life, meeting people is not random, and everything has a purpose...

Does this mean someone who is "spiritual" meets someone, starts a relationship - then if they meet someone else they get to say "I can dump my last relationship becuase the universe is providing me with a new one"?? Can spiritual people who believe these things have a committed relationship?....

It all seems so differnt to me, just trying to understand more than anytyhing... sorry I do not have any specific examples...
It's not as simple as you're making it sound... We don't just get whatever we want simply by asking the Universe to deliver. "spiritual people" or really just most people don't treat others as disposable and easily replaceable. It does seem as your question are more aimed toward a particular faith than just spiritual people. It's really about taking responsibilty for your own life, wants, needs, and actions.
Even Catholics behave this way... you just don't know it. One group "asks the Universe for help" another group "asks God or Jesus" for help or whatever it is they are seeking. Some people pray, some people ask, some make sacfrices, some make offerings, some go to a church, some go under the moon, it's really all the same in my book.

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Wed 10/07/09 12:32 PM

so, I have been reading a little about metaphysics and spirituality... which is quite different for me having been raised catholic.

It seems, that (please correct me if I am wrong) that some spirituality revolves around "The Universe" and that, the universe provides direction in your life. If you want love, ask the universe... if you want financial success - ask the universe. It also seems that in my reading I have come accross reference to "purging negativity" from your life, living without fear because the universe is providing direction in our life... and the people (and relationships) are a part of this life, meeting people is not random, and everything has a purpose...

Does this mean someone who is "spiritual" meets someone, starts a relationship - then if they meet someone else they get to say "I can dump my last relationship becuase the universe is providing me with a new one"?? Can spiritual people who believe these things have a committed relationship?....

It all seems so differnt to me, just trying to understand more than anytyhing... sorry I do not have any specific examples...



Oh we have a different understanding of spiritual. I think of spiritual as Fearing and loving a CREATOR but not prescribing to mass religion. Having the universe run your life is more of a ,, hippy, or GREEN thing,, to me.

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Wed 10/07/09 12:33 PM
Oh we have a different understanding of spiritual. I think of spiritual as Fearing and loving a CREATOR but not prescribing to mass religion. Having the universe run your life is more of a ,, hippy, or GREEN thing,, to me

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Wed 10/07/09 12:40 PM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Wed 10/07/09 01:07 PM
Im catholic, and consider myself very spiritual. Spirituality doesnt dictate which belief system you have, nor does it require a simple belief in universal responsibility solely for the belief.


Spirituality is., of the spirit.


Especially of the father and the son, and the holy spirit.


And yes, Ive had many committed relationships.




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Wed 10/07/09 02:31 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Wed 10/07/09 02:36 PM
Ok, this is a question - not a rant or an opinion of mine...

I do not understand "spirituality" very much, having been rased catholic...

my question is, Do "spiritual" people enter into committed relationships... or does "The Universe" prescribe that they merely have acquaintances -- and relationships are "transient"... (i.e. people come into your life for a reason, but not forever... yada yada)...

hope that question makes sense...

drinker
I think that by this time you may have realized that there are almost as many opinions as to what constitutes "spiritualism", as there are people who profess to hold spiritualistic beliefs.

So to answer your question for myself, I don't believe that "The Universe" prescribes anything. And since I believe in what would commonly be labeled "reincarnation", I believe the permanence of the type of relationsship you are talking about, can only be realitve to a single lifetime, since it's ultimate purpose revolves around "family", which is necessarily releveant to only one body, and thus one lifetime.

But as Abra said, that's just my view. Others' may vary. :smile:

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