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I love to discuss religion with my mother. She is so much fun. The other
day we were discussing Jesus and she was getting on to me about how long my hair was getting long. She said I would look better with short hair and I said Jesus had long hair. She then said you need to going back to church. She said that the reason that Jesus had long hair was because he was a Nazarene. She made a good point. So I said I would go to church but all there were was Christian churches around here and that the last Church of the Nazarene that I attended was in California. ![]() |
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RainbowTrout,
Jesus was a Nazarene in the sense that he was from Nazareth, not by oath. Part of the Nazarene oath was to never eat grapes or anything made from grapes. Jesus drank wine frequently, so he couldn't have been a Nazarene. |
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True.
But I think God laughs hysterically, I would. |
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Still reading up on it. Jesus was not a Nazarite! According to Numbers
6:1-27, a Nazarite did wear long hair. However, Jesus was a Nazarene and not a Nazarite. While the two words look similar in English, they are entirely different in looks and meaning in the original language of the Bible. A Nazarene was one that lived in Nazareth, according to Matthew 2:23. A Nazarite was one who took a Nazarite vow, according to Numbers 6. The Nazarite vow was usually temporary. (Samson and Samuel seem to be notable exceptions, for their vow was for life. See I Samuel 1:11 and Judges 13:5; 16:17). The Nazarite vow was a vow of separation. Three things were forbidden as long as he was under the vow. (1) "He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried." Num. 6:3. (2) He could not cut his hair. (3) He could not touch or come near a dead body. Num. 6:6-9. ![]() |
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Basically, depictions of Jesus are probably wrong. Jesus looked like
any other man, which means he had short hair. Nazarites grew their hair long so that they would stand out and because they considered it humbling. After their oath period was over, they would shave their head to cleanse themselves. |
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Eyewitness of the discription of Jesus.
A letter of witness from Publius Lentullus, President of Judea to inform Tiberius Caesar and the Roman Senate of events in Judea. (this letter was a portion of the Roman system of keeping the government in Rome aware of important personages and happenings much like our current Embassy Reports to the President and Congress). "There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua [Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him the Son of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men" There are several others EYEWITNESS accounts of his appearance. Some list his hair as golden brown, some as red brown, some as brown with a redish tinge. All list his beard as having a redish hue. All list his hair as being to his shoulders. All list his hair as being parted in the center and worn in the fashion of 'the men of Nazerene. If you were not alive in that time do not speculate, go to the sources of people that were alive then. There are to this date some 15 or better eyewitness accounts of what he looked like that have been discovered in various libraries or collections of antiques and old writings. |
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Isaiah 53:2
------------------------------------------------------------ For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. ------------------------------------------------------------ I go back to the Bible for descriptions. You don't know if any of those people saw Jesus, but I know that God did. |
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Spider you amaze me.
That was an offical government report from one government official in Judea to the Senate in Rome. It was but one there are several more and they all agree on how he looked with minor diferences on how they represented hi demeanor. One of them called him an evil person because he could damage the repretation of Rome. (because he had chastised hyprocrocy with 'quick vigor' and might so chastise Rome itself.) The rest could find (as did Pilat) no offense in him and did not understand the bitterness and anger of the Jewish 'high ones' towards him. One of those discriptions is from Pontas Pilat himself. Another is from a scribe attached to Herrod to record historical data. Some of those eyewitness accounts also are accounts of some of the healings and other such things that Jesus did. |
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AdventureBegins,
Um...you are going to have to give me a link for the part about Pontius Pilate. The problem with your story is this: Until recently, there was no evidence that any such ruler ever existed. The only evidence that I'm aware of is a single inscription. I think the letter you are talking about is the one that is a well-known fake, which was written in 4th century AD. |
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The letter from Pontias Pilat is in the Congressional Library. I
suppose that makes it a fake? Then there is the Archecko Volumes which are taken from Roman Senate Dockets in Rome and Constantinople and are a listings of records from legal actions of the time and are stored at the Vatican in Rome (I reckon the Vatican must have forged these). Then there are the writings of the Roman historian Josephus within which are discriptions of Jesus. These writings were from the 1st century AD. Check "Antiquities Of The Jews," Book #18, Chapter 2, section 3. I am not referencing a single disputed Hoax here but several undisputed historical documents. and if you want one from the bible. Psalm 45:1-2 "... I speak of the thinigs which I have made touching the king; my tongue is the pen of a ready writer' 2'Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God has blessed thee forever.' |
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