Topic: Stop bashing on Obama and think of other political issues
heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 09/30/09 10:43 AM

does anyone realize that this would happen regardless of who is president??? if McCain had won...the forums would be flooded with him. after all this is the politics and current events forum...unless I made a wrong turn somewhere.


I realize that, and you're right. I am an equal-opportunity basher of the government. :smile:

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 09/30/09 10:44 AM


does anyone realize that this would happen regardless of who is president??? if McCain had won...the forums would be flooded with him. after all this is the politics and current events forum...unless I made a wrong turn somewhere.


I realize that, and you're right. I am an equal-opportunity basher of the government. :smile:


me too. I don't discriminate or give certain people favoritism laugh I call it as I see it. and very few politicians are ok in my book. but since this is the political forum....politics will be talked about

Seakolony's photo
Wed 09/30/09 10:56 AM

Thank You! I have been trying to get more discussions going on the positive side of President Obama's leadership, and have gotten so tired and disgusted with people just bashing him completely and unequivocally. And as you said there is so much more to be talked about and resolved. If we, as a nation, stand up and put our heads together (everyone must brush their teeth first though I don't want any morning breath in my face thank you kindly) we can fix every single problem we are facing, and we can do so peacefully in the end.



Almost every single post in this forum is all about Obama and either how bad of a president he is, what he's doing wrong or what he isn't doing right.

Jesus, the president is sworn in and as long as your an "American" you're going to have live with it.

How about some of the other MORE IMPORTANT issues that are going on around here that people can actually change?

How about, for example....schools are now teaching kindergartners what drugs and alcohol are? How about any local city issues going on? Uhm...what about the cows being treated unlawfully, visiously and hate on by Land'O'Lake employees?

What about natural resources and national parks that are being destroyed to build more roads, buildings, used for it's gas?

Is there anything in this world that is better or worth talking about than Obama?

Just a suggestion....Say what you want.



Tell me something positive......didn't like him from the onset or his lies.

Topic man arrested in Japan for kidnapping his kids. International issue: See the following report:


TOKYO, Japan (CNN) -- Had this custody drama played out in the United States, Christopher Savoie might be considered a hero -- snatching his two little children back from an ex-wife who defied the law and ran off with them.


A Tennessee court awarded Christopher Savoie custody of his son, Isaac, and daughter, Rebecca.

But this story unfolds 7,000 miles away in the Japanese city of Fukuoka, where the U.S. legal system holds no sway.

And here, Savoie sits in jail, charged with the abduction of minors. And his Japanese ex-wife -- a fugitive in the United States for taking his children from Tennessee -- is considered the victim.

"Japan is an important partner and friend of the U.S., but on this issue, our points of view differ," the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo said Tuesday. "Our two nations approach divorce and child-rearing differently. Parental child abduction is not considered a crime in Japan."

The story begins in the Nashville suburb of Franklin, Tennessee, with the January divorce of Savoie from his first wife, Noriko, a Japanese native. The ex-wife had agreed to live in Franklin to be close to the children, taking them to Japan for summer vacations.

Savoie in March requested a restraining order to prevent his ex-wife from taking the children to Japan, saying she had threatened to do so, according to court documents obtained by CNN affiliate WTVF and posted on the station's Web site. A temporary order was issued, but then lifted following a hearing.

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"If Mother fails to return to Tennessee [after summer vacation] with the children following her visitation period, she could lose her alimony, child support and education fund, which is added assurance to Father that she is going to return with the children," Circuit Court Judge James G. Martin III noted in his order on the matter.

After that ruling, Christopher Savoie tried to have Martin recuse himself, as he was a mediator in the case prior to becoming a judge, said Marlene Eskind Moses, Noriko Savoie's attorney. But that request was denied, as Savoie earlier said he had no concerns about Martin hearing the matter.

Following the summer trip, Noriko Savoie did return to the United States, and Christopher Savoie then took the children on a vacation, returning them to his ex-wife, his attorney, Paul Bruno, told CNN. Watch latest report on Savoie's situation »

But days later, on the first day of classes for 8-year-old Isaac and 6-year-old Rebecca, the school called Savoie to say his children hadn't arrived, Bruno said. Police checked Noriko Savoie's home and did not find the children.

Concerned, Savoie called his ex-wife's father in Japan, who told him not to worry.

"I said, 'What do you mean -- don't worry? They weren't at school.' 'Oh, don't worry, they are here,' " Savoie recounted the conversation to CNN affiliate WTVF earlier this month. "I said, 'They are what, they are what, they are in Japan?' "

The very thing that Savoie had predicted in court papers had happened -- his wife had taken their children to Japan and showed no signs of returning, Bruno said.

After Noriko Savoie took the children to Japan, Savoie filed for and received full custody of the children, Bruno said. And Franklin police issued an arrest warrant for his ex-wife, the television station reported.

But there was a major hitch: Japan is not a party to the 1980 Hague Convention on international child abduction. The international agreement standardizes laws, but only among participating countries.

So while Japanese civil law stresses that courts resolve custody issues based on the best interest of the children without regard to either parent's nationality, foreign parents have had little success in regaining custody.

Japanese family law follows a tradition of sole custody divorces. When a couple splits, one parent typically makes a complete and lifelong break from the children.

In court documents filed in May, Noriko Savoie denied that she was failing to abide by the terms of the couple's court-approved parenting plan or ignoring court-appointed parent coordinators. She added she was "concerned about the stability of Father, his extreme antagonism towards Mother and the effect of this on the children."

Noriko Savoie could not be reached by CNN for comment.

Bruno said he helped Christopher Savoie pursue legal remedies to recover the children, working with police, the FBI and the State Department.

"We tried to do what we could to get the kids back," Bruno said. "There was not a whole lot we can do."

"Our court system failed him," said Diane Marshall, a court-appointed parent coordinator who helped Savoie make decisions about the children. "It's just a mess."

But Moses, Noriko Savoie's attorney, told CNN that the children's father had other legal options.

The International Association for Parent-Child Reunion, formed in Japan this year, claims to know of more than 100 cases of children abducted by non-custodial Japanese parents.

And the U.S. State Department says it is not aware of a single case in which a child taken from the United States to Japan has been ordered returned by Japanese courts -- even when the left-behind parent has a U.S. custody decree.

Facing such statistics and the possibility of never seeing his kids again, Savoie took matters into his own hands.

He flew to Fukuoka. And as his ex-wife walked the two children to school Monday morning, Savoie drove alongside them.

He grabbed the kids, forced them into his car, and drove off, said police in Fukuoka. Watch CNN panel discuss Savoie's legal options »

He headed for the U.S. consulate in that city to try to obtain passports for Isaac and Rebecca.

But Japanese police, alerted by Savoie's ex-wife, were waiting.

Consulate spokeswoman Tracy Taylor said she heard a scuffle outside the doors of the consulate. She ran up and saw a little girl and a man, whom police were trying to talk to.

Eventually, police took Savoie away, charging him with the abduction of minors -- a charge that carries a jail sentence of up to five years.

Bruno said if the situation were reversed and a Japanese parent had abducted a Japanese child and fled to America, U.S. courts would "correct that problem, because it's a crime."

He said he has "concerns about Japan ... providing a place for people to abduct children and go to. The parent left behind does not have recourse." He added, "the president and his administration should do something to correct this."

The consulate met with Savoie on Monday and Tuesday, Taylor said. It has provided him with a list of local lawyers and said it will continue to assist.


Meanwhile, the international diplomacy continues. During the first official talks between the United States and Japan's new government, the issue of parental abductions was raised.

But it is anybody's guess what happens next to Savoie, who sits in a jail cell.


willing2's photo
Wed 09/30/09 01:04 PM
OK
Here's a local news story.:wink:

Seleccionan a contratista para construcción

By Karen Gleason
Del Rio News-Herald

Published September 14, 2009

Ha sido seleccionada una compañía constructora local para trabajar con el condado en los planes de un nuevo edificio de oficinas y la propuesta ampliación de la biblioteca del condado

Durante su sesión especial del 8 de septiembre, los Comisionados de la Corte del Condado de Val Verde (Val Verde County Commissioners Court) seleccionaron unánimemente a J.P. Sanchez Construction de Del Rio para la realización de los dos proyectos de construcción.

Durante esa sesión, Otila Gonzalez, subadministradora del Juez del Condado de Val Verde Mike L. Fernandez, dijo a los comisionados que cuatro compañías habían eentregado sus propuestas sobre el proyecto

“El comité seleccionado para revisar cada uno de los paquetes de cotizaciones que fueron entregados para este proyecto, tomaron en cuenta el criterio acordado. Después de revisar, sumamos los puntos y el equipo de J.P. Sanchez Construction logró la puntuación más alta y la recomendación del comité es que ustedes eligan a este grupo,” dijo Gonzalez a los comisionados.

El Comisionado del Condado del Precinto 1 Ramiro Ramon hizo la moción para aprobar la recomendación del comité.

“¿Con esto, tenemos alguna obligación económica?” preguntó el Comisionado del Condado del Precinto 3 Beau Nettleton.

“No en este punto,” respondió Gonzalez. “No hasta que ustedes firmen el contrato.”

“Entonces, hasta que se firme el contrato, esto volverá a los comisionados?” preguntó Nettleton.

“Sí,” dijo Gonzalez.

El Comisionado del Condado del Precinto 4 Jesse “Cheo” Ortiz secondó la moción.

“Necesito un poco más de información sobre esto. Sé lo que necesitamos hacer. ¿Los que entregaron esas propuestas pensaron en un sitio en particular o no se ha decidido nada todavía?” preguntó Ortiz.

“Esto fue una petición de experiencia y el paquete que se entregó, especificaba las condiciones del grupo de selección y como procederíamos,” dijo Gonzalez.

Ramon dijo a los comisionados que no se ha seleccionado el sitio para el propuesto nuevo edificio.

“La forma en esto va a funcionar y la forma en la que funciona el programa del diseño de construcción, es que ustedes deberán seleccionar el sitio. Por supuesto, nosotros tendremos que obtener los fondos. Por ahora nosotros no tenemos el dinero y esperamos que podamos obtener alguno de los subisdios y dinero de estímulo para recibir los fondos para esto y entonces, la persona seleccionada, el grupo seleccionado, regresará y ellos tendrán que negociar el precio con el condado, dijo Ramon.

“En este momento, no estamos comprometiendo al condado con ningún dinero, El dinero, los fondos tendrán que negociarse. Entonces y solo entonces, si lo aprobamos o autorizamos o aceptamos, se seguirá adelante con el desembolso de fondos,” agregó Ramon.

Fernandez preguntó que cuantas propuestas había recibido el condado.

Gonzalez dijo que cuatro compañías habían presentado sus propuestas — J.P. Sanchez, Davila Construction, Morganty Prosign y Templeton Construction.

“¿Y J.P. Sanchez es la única compañía local que la presentó?” preguntó Fernandez.

“Bueno, un par de las otras tienen también oficinas aquí, pero J.P. Sanchez es una compañía local,” dijo Gonzalez.

Gonzalez dijo también a los comisionados que el comité calificador que recomendó la selección de J.P. Sanchez estuvo formado por Ramon, por el Abogaso Asistente del Condado David Martinez y por ella.

Los comisionados votaron entonces unánimemente para aprobar la moción.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 10/01/09 10:26 AM
You know what, I will do my best to focus on issues instead of the people behind them.

I agree with the OP.

drinker

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/01/09 10:29 AM

Almost every single post in this forum is all about Obama and either how bad of a president he is, what he's doing wrong or what he isn't doing right.

Jesus, the president is sworn in and as long as your an "American" you're going to have live with it.

How about some of the other MORE IMPORTANT issues that are going on around here that people can actually change?

How about, for example....schools are now teaching kindergartners what drugs and alcohol are? How about any local city issues going on? Uhm...what about the cows being treated unlawfully, visiously and hate on by Land'O'Lake employees?

What about natural resources and national parks that are being destroyed to build more roads, buildings, used for it's gas?

Is there anything in this world that is better or worth talking about than Obama?

Just a suggestion....Say what you want.




Underseated hatred is hard to overcome. You see the hatred coming out and feel it. It is overwhelming, I will agree.


msharmony's photo
Thu 10/01/09 10:29 AM
excellent suggestion

heavenlyboy34's photo
Thu 10/01/09 11:23 AM
We could talk about how the Federal Reserve and the Treasury are ripping off average people and destroying the dollar's value or how countries like China are moving away from the dollar because the US government is so wasteful in its spending if you want.


Almost every single post in this forum is all about Obama and either how bad of a president he is, what he's doing wrong or what he isn't doing right.

Jesus, the president is sworn in and as long as your an "American" you're going to have live with it.

How about some of the other MORE IMPORTANT issues that are going on around here that people can actually change?

How about, for example....schools are now teaching kindergartners what drugs and alcohol are? How about any local city issues going on? Uhm...what about the cows being treated unlawfully, visiously and hate on by Land'O'Lake employees?

What about natural resources and national parks that are being destroyed to build more roads, buildings, used for it's gas?

Is there anything in this world that is better or worth talking about than Obama?

Just a suggestion....Say what you want.



adj4u's photo
Thu 10/01/09 11:47 AM

You know what, I will do my best to focus on issues instead of the people behind them.

I agree with the OP.

drinker


that is like treating the symptoms and not worrying about the cause

it does no good to bail the water out of the boat if ya do not fix where it is leaking in (the boat will eventually sink)

adj4u's photo
Thu 10/01/09 11:48 AM
if one would not do things that justify the bashing then maybe it would stop


just a thought

but hey


what do i know

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/01/09 11:51 AM


You know what, I will do my best to focus on issues instead of the people behind them.

I agree with the OP.

drinker


that is like treating the symptoms and not worrying about the cause

it does no good to bail the water out of the boat if ya do not fix where it is leaking in (the boat will eventually sink)


Except in politics, its never really JUST one person responsible. The president can only do as much as the senate and house allow. Its a team sport, not an american idol contest.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 10/01/09 01:41 PM


You know what, I will do my best to focus on issues instead of the people behind them.

I agree with the OP.

drinker


that is like treating the symptoms and not worrying about the cause

it does no good to bail the water out of the boat if ya do not fix where it is leaking in (the boat will eventually sink)


Actually, i have to agree with Msharmony on this. I think there are too many people with their hands in the cookie jar.

I believe whole heartedly, if people focused more on certain issues, like foreign policy, economics, civil liberties, etc. Then we would know where the corruption is. Because people think more about the figurehead in front of the mess, they either agree with him from the beginning, or disagree from the beginning. It's taking the attention off WHY we disagree or WHY we agree.

Trust me my friend, i am all about treating the disease over the symptoms.drinker

Stupid spending = high taxes = rough economy = problems with things like healthcare = the "need" for more stupid spending.

mo_muirnin's photo
Fri 10/02/09 09:07 AM



You know what, I will do my best to focus on issues instead of the people behind them.

I agree with the OP.

drinker


that is like treating the symptoms and not worrying about the cause

it does no good to bail the water out of the boat if ya do not fix where it is leaking in (the boat will eventually sink)


Actually, i have to agree with Msharmony on this. I think there are too many people with their hands in the cookie jar.

I believe whole heartedly, if people focused more on certain issues, like foreign policy, economics, civil liberties, etc. Then we would know where the corruption is. Because people think more about the figurehead in front of the mess, they either agree with him from the beginning, or disagree from the beginning. It's taking the attention off WHY we disagree or WHY we agree.

Trust me my friend, i am all about treating the disease over the symptoms.drinker

Stupid spending = high taxes = rough economy = problems with things like healthcare = the "need" for more stupid spending.


Well said. You're absolutely right, if they focused on everything else they would see the "corruption"..it's not one person, especially since the president is very limited on what he can do. Recently read an article where the Pope and and a senator from New Jersey were arrested and tried for oney laundering over millions of dollars...and yeah I said SENATE...if that's not corruption I don't know what it is.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 10/02/09 01:53 PM
look...it's the nature of the beast in here. If the other side won...the same people not wanting anything said about BHO would be saying crap about the other side. that's how it is in here....come on.

I've been saying before BHO that the president doesn't have ultimate control and congress is as much to blame but it fell on deaf ears when it doesn't apply to the president someone doesn't like.

can't have it both ways. can't scream be nice to BHO but trash the other side and vice versa. can't yell don't generalize liberals or democrates but yet do the same to the other side

tohyup's photo
Fri 10/02/09 02:19 PM
It is very clear and very simple : Obama did not keep his promises .
Where are the millions of jobs he promised.....etc ?.

no photo
Fri 10/02/09 02:20 PM
the only problem with that is obama picked all the bad people around him. So evan if you talk about another politician you are only bashing your great obama's choices. I would rather sit around and watch as the rest of my nation reaps what they have sown.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/02/09 02:59 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 10/02/09 03:03 PM

It is very clear and very simple : Obama did not keep his promises .
Where are the millions of jobs he promised.....etc ?.


It is your own misconception that he promised millions of jobs within the first year of his presidency.

Obama did not promise that the economy would be better by now. Obama did not promise to have all the troops out of Iraq by now.

Obama did do what the economists told him to do to stave off depression. We will not know if it works until the recovery begins from the recession. If it had failed we would be in depression.

This is the problem I have.

People are not even listening, comprehending nor waiting to see if it works.

Hell you all gave Bush 8 years to trash the joint at least give Obama a couple of years to try to reverse it.

I did not even realize we had major problems with Bush until after the first year and I did not like him going in but I figured he would still do his job.

no photo
Fri 10/02/09 03:25 PM
My .02 worth, obama obama obama. where was a ll the complaining when the housing market was booming and you could get a loan for 125% of you home. "if it sounds to good"? what about bankrupsy laws to make it tougher to bail out while your intrest rates shoot through the stratosphere. as far as illigal imigrants who's gonna pick them veggies? the oakies from the dust bowl? (thanks john hemingway great book the grapes) and remember ole hank poulson bout october last year wanting (more like demanding)$700 billion to plug the holes took 8 years to get into this hole you think 8 month is going to fix it? made by greed and just basic screwing over of the american people. ive ran a small business and you dont eat high on the hog all the time. and i found the old addage it takes money to make money true. i dont see how people raised their kids on what $5.35 hr min wage while all jobs are being out-sourced for $1 a day labour. i love this country but geez the way people burn others for the $$$$ you know remeber slavery? how bout the anti chinese leagues? build our railroads then disapere chinaman. the irish too and the illigals were pardoned by ronnie reagan back in the 80's so i guess they new they could come in np problem. and its a good way to keep our minds off the real stuff like what the politicians are realy up to

no photo
Fri 10/02/09 03:30 PM
yeah yeah i get long winded lmao, but realy folks we got children and adults starving in this world but and people being exterminated but i guess cause they have no oil in the soil they arent as important as other things. one way of looking at it. god bless ya jared afghanastan doent look like much fun , come home safe

that is all thanks for letting me vent a bit :) lol

Katzenschnauzer's photo
Fri 10/02/09 03:31 PM

poor right wingers...they're so bitter a white man's not in office and they're now the minority. i say let them have their fun. 90 percent of the stuff they post is drivel.



You give creedence to the fact that some left-wingers cannot debate their views effectively so they go negative on right-wingers.spock