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Topic: Killing off the Gays/The Cleansing of Iraq
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Sun 09/27/09 11:40 AM
hhhmmm this disturbing news....Extremists Moslim groups that premote killing of guys is not a suprise to me...Our media choses the stories the wnat to write and if they believe the topic is to controverseal. (especially since homosexuality is now widely excepted in the US) This could have a politcal impact on the endless battle of achieving and maintaining peace with Iraq? And I am sure the our Gov. had drawn a line in the sand on what they want the American public to see or know about..

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Sun 09/27/09 11:43 AM


I would still love them but also disown them at the same time.


shocked

That is impossible! That isn't love...

so sad that so many are filled with hate.brokenheart



People use the term disown too easily. There is love from a distance though. I have someone I love who is unstable and so I chose to not be involved with him, but my heart still holds love for him and a wish that he finds happiness. With a child though, I think one can just set conditions. I love my kids, always, but lets say my son fell in love with a woman who had a husband at home already. She would not be welcome in my home and it would be his choice to come around on his own or stick by her and refuse. Either way,, my love for him wont change. Adults make their own decisions , but they are not always decisions that I have to agree with or condone.

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Sun 09/27/09 11:51 AM



I would still love them but also disown them at the same time.


shocked

That is impossible! That isn't love...

so sad that so many are filled with hate.brokenheart



People use the term disown too easily. There is love from a distance though. I have someone I love who is unstable and so I chose to not be involved with him, but my heart still holds love for him and a wish that he finds happiness. With a child though, I think one can just set conditions. I love my kids, always, but lets say my son fell in love with a woman who had a husband at home already. She would not be welcome in my home and it would be his choice to come around on his own or stick by her and refuse. Either way,, my love for him wont change. Adults make their own decisions , but they are not always decisions that I have to agree with or condone.


We don't have to agree or condone the actions of others..it matters not what we think, everyone gets to choose. Choosing to not have an unstable person in your life is not the same as "disowning" your own child should they choose to be gay....being gay is not being a dangerous unstable person, despite what some believe.

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Sun 09/27/09 12:03 PM
Iraq is a MUSLIM nation with different values, religion, language......etc and the US invaded it as a sovereign country and now they criticize the Iraqi culture and ways of life . Get real people every society is DIFFERENT and what is accepted in one in an evil in another .

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Sun 09/27/09 12:03 PM
Edited by tohyup on Sun 09/27/09 12:03 PM
double post

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Sun 09/27/09 12:26 PM

Iraq is a MUSLIM nation with different values, religion, language......etc and the US invaded it as a sovereign country and now they criticize the Iraqi culture and ways of life . Get real people every society is DIFFERENT and what is accepted in one in an evil in another .


Yes, they do have different value sets. However, I am dating someone from Iraq now. Last night when I brought up that I am a gay rights activist, he had no problem with it. He stated that everyone should have human rights, regardless of his (or others') religious or personal beliefs. He stated that for me it's my opinion and he respects that.

So *hops up on her soap box* everyone deserves to live their lives without fear for their lives. Just because someone lives differently than you do, doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong (as long as it's within the law, not harming other ..etc) And in Iraq same-sex relationships are not illegal! *hops down*

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Sun 09/27/09 04:28 PM


I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.


If you chose to do things that people well kill you for then you fight for that .If I went to iraq to have sex with a girl they would try to kill me to so I don't go .. SO I DON,T GO AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT TO START FIGHTS WITH DRAGONS GO A HEAD BUT DON'T EXPECT ME TO SAVE YOU .. I DON'T DON'T CARE IF THE DRAGON WINS ONE .........

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Sun 09/27/09 07:22 PM



I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.


I can totally agree with you about the need for people to feel concern for others. Where I disagree is that it is AMERICAS responsibility to arm up and take on every injustice anywhere in the world. I dont see anyone stepping in to help us with our issues and I feel that is what we need to be fighting for first and foremost,,Our Own Issues, before dictating to others how they should live,,let alone sending our kids in to die for that point.

It is awful if someone is killed for any reason. IT is awful if it is another country because they are homosexual or right here at home because they are a 'bum'. But it is not LEGAL to kill homeless people here and because some maniacs still do it,, wouldnt give the right to another country to come in and dictate what our system 'should' be. Those countries need to sort those things out internally first, before always looking to americans to do it for them. If killing homosexuals were legally sanctioned or government policy, I could see intervening. But we cant go off halfcocked everywhere in the world that fantics choose to act fanatically.


OK I agree with most of this except even if the government is sanctioning it its still not really our place. We should treat them like we would an individual that was a dirtbag, put them at arms length. Thats why im against all these stupid trade pacts and treaties. We should stop protecting everyone else with all these bases everywhere, they all hate us now anyways. We should reserve the right to refuse service for import or export. If you wanna have some tin po dictatorship go ahead, find someone else to buy your oil or whatever. Were the only country that has most everything to be self sufficient. We shouldnt put up with this crap. If we pulled the plug on china and told them we arent paying our debt until you quit bein commie ********, and no more imorts from you or exports to you. It works alot better than our current military strategy. Trade with the world on the fringes of the economy, but the core elements of energy, lumber, metal, manufacturing, agricultural, should remain entirely domestic for the national stability. Selective protectionism maybe youd call it. I just think if we invade every country thats jacked up well be invading someone every other year forever.

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Sun 09/27/09 07:25 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sun 09/27/09 08:01 PM


:smile: Why do all the rightwing republican countries hate each other(like Israel and most of the Middle East) but the left wing countries(like Canada and United Kingdom)all get along?:smile:



There is not a rightwing country on earth I can think of and canada is still a crown subject are they not?
:smile: Iran,Iraq,Syria,Saudi Arabia,Afghanistan,Pakistan and most of the impoverished 3rd world countries are ultra-conservative republican.:smile:

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Mon 09/28/09 02:42 PM

:smile: Iran,Iraq,Syria,Saudi Arabia,Afghanistan,Pakistan and most of the impoverished 3rd world countries are ultra-conservative republican.:smile:

that's true . you can go even farther than that . little towns in America are the same way . Republican control makes wages impossible to live on .

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