Topic: Killing off the Gays/The Cleansing of Iraq
MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 09/26/09 02:23 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 09/26/09 02:28 PM


Do we have the right to interfere with their Laws in Iraq?


NO..does Iraq have the right to interfere with our laws?
:smile: Most of the MiddleEast is too rightwing conservative.:smile: Their laws reflect this.:smile: But the muslim countries that are liberalized are prospourous:smile:I have chatted on this very site with a nice middleeastern woman that lives and works in the richest city on the planet right there in the MiddleEast(Abu Dhabi).drinker Its a modern day paradise:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 09/26/09 02:24 PM



No human should be discriminated against for sexual orientation as long as it is with consenting adults.

It is an international issue. There should be pressure put on them from all nations to stop the practice.

The middle east is majority Muslim. I see no way the whole middle east can be pressured to do anything, much less change centuries old Laws.
:smile: Its not because they are muslim.:smile: All these right wing conservative republican countries have problems with discrimination.:smile: Its because the Middle east is too far to the right:smile: They need an infusion of liberalism in their societies:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 09/26/09 02:25 PM
:smile: Why do all the rightwing republican countries hate each other(like Israel and most of the Middle East) but the left wing countries(like Canada and United Kingdom)all get along?:smile:

cashu's photo
Sat 09/26/09 04:05 PM
we should form an army out of gays and send them in to get revenge . Its to late to resurrect Alexander the great to do it for them .I don't care if a guys a queer or a girl for that matter . But I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

willing2's photo
Sat 09/26/09 04:30 PM

I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 09/26/09 04:39 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 09/26/09 04:41 PM
:smile: All the republican countries in the MiddleEast are like that:smile: The democratic countries are the ones that prosper and have more equality.:smile:

no photo
Sat 09/26/09 05:09 PM

we should form an army out of gays and send them in to get revenge .
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh



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Sat 09/26/09 06:04 PM



Ok, I think I am missing something,,,,


It is AGAINST the law there to do this. So what sanctions can we pose when it isnt the government who is guilty but their fanatics within the society. Do we realize the murders that happen HERE in the states? They happen for reasons like racial hatred, sexism, classism ,but they are still ILLEGAL. Because they continue to happen doesnt give another country a right to come down on us in any way. Government can set laws and beyond that,, how their people abide by them is not something they can be held accountable for.


I would have to agree, but I don't believe for a second that the Iraqi government exactly tries to stop it either.

Hell in this country we don't exactly knock ourselves out standing up for gays, instead we foster prejudice against them and go out of our way to prevent anyone from teaching simple respect and acceptance in schools. Individually we remain silent when things are said that are ignorant among our friends.

Even in the black community where you would think there would be some empathy for being hated for something about you that is different.






I disagree. Gays enjoy special legal protections.


That comment just proved you really have no clue. Special legal protections. List them please. I would like to know what protections I had that I was unaware of.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:26 PM

No human should be discriminated against for sexual orientation as long as it is with consenting adults.

It is an international issue. There should be pressure put on them from all nations to stop the practice.


since no nation owns the individuals involved, it cannot logically be called an "international issue". As we should have learned from our own history, tolerance cannot be achieved by government fiat-only time and peaceful resistance can solve these problems. (read up on Gandhi's philosophy for more)

no photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:46 PM

we should form an army out of gays and send them in to get revenge . Its to late to resurrect Alexander the great to do it for them .I don't care if a guys a queer or a girl for that matter . But I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .


So what would you die for? The only difference between you and me is my preference in whom I spend my life with and education level. Using the word queer shows a lack of education, or common respect or common decency.

no photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:51 PM


I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.


So the life of a gay person in Iraq isn't worth any effort on your part because it isnt affecting you? wow

peppydog50's photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:56 PM
Gays should not be killed. They should be ignored or left on an island by themself's if they survive fine if not oh well.

Winx's photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:57 PM
Edited by Winx on Sat 09/26/09 06:57 PM
shocked noway

Would you say that if it was your child that was gay?



peppydog50's photo
Sat 09/26/09 06:59 PM
I would still love them but also disown them at the same time.

willing2's photo
Sat 09/26/09 07:00 PM



I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.


So the life of a gay person in Iraq isn't worth any effort on your part because it isnt affecting you? wow

I was referring to the overall attitude Americans have toward life in general.
What are you willing to do?

tanyaann's photo
Sat 09/26/09 07:01 PM
Just to comment on OP posting that only non-american news reporting it...

here is cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/17/iraq.homosexual.killings/


washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602088.html


brewer77's photo
Sun 09/27/09 11:25 AM

:smile: Why do all the rightwing republican countries hate each other(like Israel and most of the Middle East) but the left wing countries(like Canada and United Kingdom)all get along?:smile:



There is not a rightwing country on earth I can think of and canada is still a crown subject are they not?

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/27/09 11:30 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 09/27/09 11:34 AM


I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

There ya' go!
Hit th' nail right on the head!
It's sad to see it going on and if someone else did something about it, that'd be great.
Just don't expect me to care enogh to actually do anything about it.
Thank you, Mr.Cashu.
As long as it ain't at my fornt door or it's not happening to me or mine then, it's just not worth me getting involved.

The issues to "legally" kill or die for are;
Land
Money
Oil
Instilling our type of leadership
Putting those in power who will do the will of the world leaders
To force our beliefs on other countries, etc.

When it comes to our leaders getting us into or keeping us involved in wars or conflicts, they tell us one thing and then, in time, it is revealed to be for completely different motives.

I wonder just how long it will be before we see the type of violence the middle east folks have seen for thousands of years.

It's a lesson in futality.
We, who have lived the experiances of seeing history repeat itself a couple times will die off. Those who are coming up will see past history as something ancient and distant.

History isn't just repeating, it's getting a colder, harder face. These days, life isn't worth more than a barrel of oil.


I can totally agree with you about the need for people to feel concern for others. Where I disagree is that it is AMERICAS responsibility to arm up and take on every injustice anywhere in the world. I dont see anyone stepping in to help us with our issues and I feel that is what we need to be fighting for first and foremost,,Our Own Issues, before dictating to others how they should live,,let alone sending our kids in to die for that point.

It is awful if someone is killed for any reason. IT is awful if it is another country because they are homosexual or right here at home because they are a 'bum'. But it is not LEGAL to kill homeless people here and because some maniacs still do it,, wouldnt give the right to another country to come in and dictate what our system 'should' be. Those countries need to sort those things out internally first, before always looking to americans to do it for them. If killing homosexuals were legally sanctioned or government policy, I could see intervening. But we cant go off halfcocked everywhere in the world that fantics choose to act fanatically.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 09/27/09 11:36 AM

I would still love them but also disown them at the same time.


shocked

That is impossible! That isn't love...

so sad that so many are filled with hate.brokenheart

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 09/27/09 11:38 AM

Gays should not be killed. They should be ignored or left on an island by themself's if they survive fine if not oh well.


maybe people who judge others should be ignored and left on and island..and if they survive fine if not..oh wellohwell