Topic: Welfare State
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Fri 09/18/09 09:10 PM


Okay.... lets spin off of Medicare and Social Security... Are these 'welfare'?

its welfare if you didn't work for it .

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Fri 09/18/09 10:01 PM



my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol

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Fri 09/18/09 10:04 PM




my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...

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Fri 09/18/09 10:10 PM





my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


As a young kid in the 50's and 60's--nieghbor lady raised 3 boys all by her little self--never had help from any government agency. The boys turned out fine and took care of her in her old age---true story---wonder how she did it??? but she did. yes I know "Times change" but she still did it!

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Fri 09/18/09 10:12 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Fri 09/18/09 10:14 PM






my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


As a young kid in the 50's and 60's--nieghbor lady raised 3 boys all by her little self--never had help from any government agency. The boys turned out fine and took care of her in her old age---true story---wonder how she did it??? but she did. yes I know "Times change" but she still did it!


I'm doing it too...no help, just me.. I know it can be done.
My boys are older now, getting easier. Wouldn't trade a minute of it...

artman48's photo
Fri 09/18/09 10:15 PM







my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


As a young kid in the 50's and 60's--nieghbor lady raised 3 boys all by her little self--never had help from any government agency. The boys turned out fine and took care of her in her old age---true story---wonder how she did it??? but she did. yes I know "Times change" but she still did it!


I'm doing it too...no help, just me.. I know it can be done.
My boys are older now, getting easier. Would trade of minute of it...


God--I wish i could tell you how that makes me feel--Hats off to you and then some!!! flowerforyou

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Fri 09/18/09 10:17 PM



too many of the blue collar jobs have been outscourced overseas for cheap labor

in the past thirty years or so we've gone from a manufacturing production society to a service society

we don't produce much any more



a lot of that I blame on the unions. a guy just doesnt deserve $40 a hour to run a forklift. When a Viet Namese guy will do it for $10 a hour

the American workers priced themselves right out of the market


I have to disagree. While you may be able to site some specific examples, There is another side to the story.

Arizona is a "Right to Work" State which means you don't have many unions at all. Not long ago, the #1 Employer in the state was Motorola. They were manufacturing everything from micro-processors to cell phones and they were not union.

They began to sell off some of the most profitable segments of the company to overseas interests. Most of the rest of their operation moved to Mexico where a worker there makes in a month what you make in a day.

Unions di not have a Damn thing to do with it. It was Corporate GREED that caused those job losses in Arizona. And I don't care if you are Union or Non-Union, there is no way in hell you are going to get an American Worker to work for Mexican wages.

Now currently, the #1 Employer in the State of Arizona is WALMART!

I get pretty upset when I hear people always blaming the unions for loss of manufacturing jobs because that is absolutely NOT the case in Arizona and I suspect, in many other states as well. The Problem is that we are in this mess the corporations refer to as a global market and people want cheap crap.

As to the future of good jobs in America, I can only hope that we get the hell off damned oil imports and start creating "Green Collar" jobs with solar, wind, etc...

OK....done ranting now. Take your best shot. drinker

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Fri 09/18/09 10:18 PM








my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


As a young kid in the 50's and 60's--nieghbor lady raised 3 boys all by her little self--never had help from any government agency. The boys turned out fine and took care of her in her old age---true story---wonder how she did it??? but she did. yes I know "Times change" but she still did it!


I'm doing it too...no help, just me.. I know it can be done.
My boys are older now, getting easier. Would trade of minute of it...


God--I wish i could tell you how that makes me feel--Hats off to you and then some!!! flowerforyou


I have 3 boys...and they are great! drinker

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Fri 09/18/09 10:19 PM





my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Actually no, I lost the only child I was physically capable of having. But I have been a caregiver and had at least 1o acres to maintain, had to do all the domestic work as well as the work a man might have done if there was one around,carpentry, lawn maintenence fix the vehicles when the broke down and work outside the home too. Believe me I know what it is like to have to do it all with no help, and very little money. I certainly appreciate how hard it is to be a caregiver, I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful of that.

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Fri 09/18/09 10:20 PM





my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol




Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Yes.flowerforyou

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Fri 09/18/09 10:20 PM






my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Actually no, I lost the only child I was physically capable of having. But I have been a caregiver and had at least 1o acres to maintain, had to do all the domestic work as well as the work a man might have done if there was one around,carpentry, lawn maintenence fix the vehicles when the broke down and work outside the home too. Believe me I know what it is like to have to do it all with no help, and very little money. I certainly appreciate how hard it is to be a caregiver, I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful of that.


No I didn't think you were being disrespectful..not at all flowerforyou

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Fri 09/18/09 10:24 PM




too many of the blue collar jobs have been outscourced overseas for cheap labor

in the past thirty years or so we've gone from a manufacturing production society to a service society

we don't produce much any more



a lot of that I blame on the unions. a guy just doesnt deserve $40 a hour to run a forklift. When a Viet Namese guy will do it for $10 a hour

the American workers priced themselves right out of the market


I have to disagree. While you may be able to site some specific examples, There is another side to the story.

Arizona is a "Right to Work" State which means you don't have many unions at all. Not long ago, the #1 Employer in the state was Motorola. They were manufacturing everything from micro-processors to cell phones and they were not union.

They began to sell off some of the most profitable segments of the company to overseas interests. Most of the rest of their operation moved to Mexico where a worker there makes in a month what you make in a day.

Unions di not have a Damn thing to do with it. It was Corporate GREED that caused those job losses in Arizona. And I don't care if you are Union or Non-Union, there is no way in hell you are going to get an American Worker to work for Mexican wages.

Now currently, the #1 Employer in the State of Arizona is WALMART!

I get pretty upset when I hear people always blaming the unions for loss of manufacturing jobs because that is absolutely NOT the case in Arizona and I suspect, in many other states as well. The Problem is that we are in this mess the corporations refer to as a global market and people want cheap crap.

As to the future of good jobs in America, I can only hope that we get the hell off damned oil imports and start creating "Green Collar" jobs with solar, wind, etc...

OK....done ranting now. Take your best shot. drinker


Not the unions--take a look at a big company like GE--all outside work was done in this country untill the last CEO "Retired with a 10 mill $$ bonus"(forgot his name) Ordered the co. to send all rfq's over seas. They gave him big cudos for making it the bigest and most profitable co in the country---Jobs were lost even where i worke We made parts for GE--Story is the same all over. these people care about the bottom line and this globalization Crap--

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Fri 09/18/09 10:25 PM







my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Actually no, I lost the only child I was physically capable of having. But I have been a caregiver and had at least 1o acres to maintain, had to do all the domestic work as well as the work a man might have done if there was one around,carpentry, lawn maintenence fix the vehicles when the broke down and work outside the home too. Believe me I know what it is like to have to do it all with no help, and very little money. I certainly appreciate how hard it is to be a caregiver, I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful of that.


No I didn't think you were being disrespectful..not at all flowerforyou


Phew. You had me worried there for a minute, I thought I might have had a senior moment and said something stupid to hurt moms. Not something I would ever do conciously. I would have loved it if my mom was as good to her kids as you are to yours.

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Fri 09/18/09 10:26 PM








my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Actually no, I lost the only child I was physically capable of having. But I have been a caregiver and had at least 1o acres to maintain, had to do all the domestic work as well as the work a man might have done if there was one around,carpentry, lawn maintenence fix the vehicles when the broke down and work outside the home too. Believe me I know what it is like to have to do it all with no help, and very little money. I certainly appreciate how hard it is to be a caregiver, I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful of that.


No I didn't think you were being disrespectful..not at all flowerforyou


Phew. You had me worried there for a minute, I thought I might have had a senior moment and said something stupid to hurt moms. Not something I would ever do conciously. I would have loved it if my mom was as good to her kids as you are to yours.


awww, thanks. I use to beat my boys but they got bigger than me a few years ago...laugh

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my ex wife, before she got rabies and we had to put her down, raised three toddlers (one with Down Syndrome), worked a 40 hour week job AND put herself through college.

with no child support either. every time they garnished his wages he would quit his job and move

weman can be tough when they have to be


Amen brother...it's a tough gig.

That's why 70 seems soooo far way, I'm tired now.


It will come before you know it!

I can already feel time speeding up! Getting older sucks! :laughing:


Getting older sucks? Nah, not for me, I never felt that way about aging. My friends started freaking out at 40 and 45, I couldn't understand it.. I loved every minute of getting older. I was happy to be out of the craziness of my 20's and 30's and quite content even today at 59. Maybe it's what one places their emphisis on.

Mine was just being able to enjoy life, gardening, reading, keeping my house nice, lots of things. Of course if it's on looks, and they aren't there any more and you see no other enjoyment in life that could be a problem. I do know women that are losing their looks and they can't handle it.

My friend a year or so ago, that is like that, said to me I am going to have a my double chin removed, what do you think. With out really thinking, I said, why, then you'll have to shave other sagging parts too, it will be never ending. She looked like I just buried her poodle. Boy talk about foot in mouth syndrome, she was a basket case for a week. She thought the rest of her was perfectly fine, and I had to go and blow her fantacy. I have been making up for it ever since, telling her how good she looks. Her husband, poor guy has to do the same.

I told her never ever to ask me that sort of question again. LOL. She never did bother with the surgery.

The only irritation with getting old is you have to learn that your body won't cooperate with your brain. My brain things I am 30 something. I have learned to do things slowly and not like I have a fire under me, but that can be good to, it makes you appreciate things more when you slow down a bit. You notice things you never took the time to notice before.

I just want to check out when I can't even do the things I like even slowly.. Then I am done.. lol



Have you ever been a 49 year old single mom...


Actually no, I lost the only child I was physically capable of having. But I have been a caregiver and had at least 1o acres to maintain, had to do all the domestic work as well as the work a man might have done if there was one around,carpentry, lawn maintenence fix the vehicles when the broke down and work outside the home too. Believe me I know what it is like to have to do it all with no help, and very little money. I certainly appreciate how hard it is to be a caregiver, I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful of that.


No I didn't think you were being disrespectful..not at all flowerforyou


Phew. You had me worried there for a minute, I thought I might have had a senior moment and said something stupid to hurt moms. Not something I would ever do conciously. I would have loved it if my mom was as good to her kids as you are to yours.


awww, thanks. I use to beat my boys but they got bigger than me a few years ago...laugh


Well not sure I believe you beat them... grin.. but I did beat my brothers till the got to big, then I hired someone... just kidding, I never hired anyone.. lmao.. boy do I need sleep I am getting goofy

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too many of the blue collar jobs have been outscourced overseas for cheap labor

in the past thirty years or so we've gone from a manufacturing production society to a service society

we don't produce much any more



a lot of that I blame on the unions. a guy just doesnt deserve $40 a hour to run a forklift. When a Viet Namese guy will do it for $10 a hour

the American workers priced themselves right out of the market


I have to disagree. While you may be able to site some specific examples, There is another side to the story.

Arizona is a "Right to Work" State which means you don't have many unions at all. Not long ago, the #1 Employer in the state was Motorola. They were manufacturing everything from micro-processors to cell phones and they were not union.

They began to sell off some of the most profitable segments of the company to overseas interests. Most of the rest of their operation moved to Mexico where a worker there makes in a month what you make in a day.

Unions di not have a Damn thing to do with it. It was Corporate GREED that caused those job losses in Arizona. And I don't care if you are Union or Non-Union, there is no way in hell you are going to get an American Worker to work for Mexican wages.

Now currently, the #1 Employer in the State of Arizona is WALMART!

I get pretty upset when I hear people always blaming the unions for loss of manufacturing jobs because that is absolutely NOT the case in Arizona and I suspect, in many other states as well. The Problem is that we are in this mess the corporations refer to as a global market and people want cheap crap.

As to the future of good jobs in America, I can only hope that we get the hell off damned oil imports and start creating "Green Collar" jobs with solar, wind, etc...

OK....done ranting now. Take your best shot. drinker


Not the unions--take a look at a big company like GE--all outside work was done in this country untill the last CEO "Retired with a 10 mill $$ bonus"(forgot his name) Ordered the co. to send all rfq's over seas. They gave him big cudos for making it the bigest and most profitable co in the country---Jobs were lost even where i worke We made parts for GE--Story is the same all over. these people care about the bottom line and this globalization Crap--


Glad to see someone agrees with me. I'm waiting for Quietman to chime in. drinker


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Sat 09/19/09 06:36 AM



too many of the blue collar jobs have been outscourced overseas for cheap labor

in the past thirty years or so we've gone from a manufacturing production society to a service society

we don't produce much any more

You said it!
17%+ unemployment and rising.
Bussiness closures at alarming rates. Once they close, they don't magically come back'
Outsourced jobs don't come back.
Technical positions are being filled by imported labor, Legal and Illegal. Example, Microsoft and Tyson Foods. Many more.
Medical positions are being filled by H2 applicants, cheaper.
Tax burdens put on already overburdened shoulders making it more impossible to send kids to college.
Tax Payers paying for Illegals to get discounted College.
Now, where are all those jobs again?

a lot of that I blame on the unions. a guy just doesnt deserve $40 a hour to run a forklift. When a Viet Namese guy will do it for $10 a hour

the American workers priced themselves right out of the market


Where are all the jobs?

What companies are going to reopen?

Blame who you want. That's not going to put Americans to work.

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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....:smile:


Sorry... took me a while to type it up.. and had a cigarette break in the middle! :wink:


LOL Some of that I was some what familiar with but some I was not, so thanks.


No problem.

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Sat 09/19/09 11:30 AM
Sorry Tany...we got a little offtopic last night...

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Sorry Tany...we got a little offtopic last night...


My pc is downloading and very slow, so when I read the above, the smilie wasn't there. I was thinking now why would she be telling us we got a little last night... OMG I can't stop laughing. Two nights with very little sleep makes one laugh easily.. :laughing: