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Although a lot of different meanings are thrown around the welfare state actually referres to the government's role in caring for all of the citizens in this country. References to this information include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-welfare-state.htm The welfare state provides education, housing, sustenance, healthcare, pensions, unemployment insurance, sick leave or time off due to injury, supplemental income in some cases, and equal wages through price and wage controls. It also provides for public transportation, childcare, social amenities such as public parks and libraries, as well as many other goods and services. Some of these items are paid for via government insurance programs while others are paid for by taxes. Most advanced nations are not true welfarewelfarewelfare states, although many provide at least some social services or entitlement programs. These goods and services are generally available only to certain people who meet eligibility requirements. However, those that meet the prerequisites are guaranteed -or entitled to- benefits as a right. This type of system is frequently referred to as a “safety net,” which is designed to help the most vulnerable. The welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is socialist in nature. It redistributes wealth by heavily taxing the middle and upper classes in order to provide goods and services for those seen as underprivileged. However, even countries that don’t typically subscribe to socialism offer at least some form of safety net, most of which continue to expand. One example is the United States, which according to many European countries, is found lacking when it comes to altruism in government. The truth is that the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate on a federal level is the antithesis of personal liberty, at least according to the U.S. Constitution, which enumerates specific powers granted to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment grants all other powers to the states, “or to the people.” This means that individual states should be in charge of their own welfarewelfarewelfare programs, rather than the central government. While some nations believe that creating a welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is the proper role of any central government, few have managed to create efficient systems. They are unable to provide equitably for all their citizens, often leaving those most in need with the least. Rationing of goods and services also becomes a major problem when too many people depend on the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate. All advanced societies view helping people who literally cannot help themselves as decent, humane, and necessary. Yet, another serious issue with the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate philosophy is that many people who are capable of caring for themselves have no motivation to improve their lives when they can depend on the government to provide for them. This often breeds resentment amongst those who do work when they are forced to pay for people who do not, via ever-increasing taxes. Such a system can fuel class warfare and prevent equality instead of obtaining it. The concept of the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate may appear to be a good model on paper. However, the reality of creating a truly equitable statestatestate has thus far been impossible to achieve. Hey someone read it all. I am shocked...lol Anyway a 100 percent welfare state would be impossible to acheive. We don't have one here. And will never have one. |
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Although a lot of different meanings are thrown around the welfare state actually referres to the government's role in caring for all of the citizens in this country. References to this information include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-welfare-state.htm The welfare state provides education, housing, sustenance, healthcare, pensions, unemployment insurance, sick leave or time off due to injury, supplemental income in some cases, and equal wages through price and wage controls. It also provides for public transportation, childcare, social amenities such as public parks and libraries, as well as many other goods and services. Some of these items are paid for via government insurance programs while others are paid for by taxes. Most advanced nations are not true welfarewelfarewelfare states, although many provide at least some social services or entitlement programs. These goods and services are generally available only to certain people who meet eligibility requirements. However, those that meet the prerequisites are guaranteed -or entitled to- benefits as a right. This type of system is frequently referred to as a “safety net,” which is designed to help the most vulnerable. The welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is socialist in nature. It redistributes wealth by heavily taxing the middle and upper classes in order to provide goods and services for those seen as underprivileged. However, even countries that don’t typically subscribe to socialism offer at least some form of safety net, most of which continue to expand. One example is the United States, which according to many European countries, is found lacking when it comes to altruism in government. The truth is that the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate on a federal level is the antithesis of personal liberty, at least according to the U.S. Constitution, which enumerates specific powers granted to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment grants all other powers to the states, “or to the people.” This means that individual states should be in charge of their own welfarewelfarewelfare programs, rather than the central government. While some nations believe that creating a welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is the proper role of any central government, few have managed to create efficient systems. They are unable to provide equitably for all their citizens, often leaving those most in need with the least. Rationing of goods and services also becomes a major problem when too many people depend on the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate. All advanced societies view helping people who literally cannot help themselves as decent, humane, and necessary. Yet, another serious issue with the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate philosophy is that many people who are capable of caring for themselves have no motivation to improve their lives when they can depend on the government to provide for them. This often breeds resentment amongst those who do work when they are forced to pay for people who do not, via ever-increasing taxes. Such a system can fuel class warfare and prevent equality instead of obtaining it. The concept of the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate may appear to be a good model on paper. However, the reality of creating a truly equitable statestatestate has thus far been impossible to achieve. Hey someone read it all. I am shocked...lol Anyway a 100 percent welfare state would be impossible to acheive. We don't have one here. And will never have one. I think the Romans tryed it-- not sure how that workwd out!!??!! 
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Although a lot of different meanings are thrown around the welfare state actually referres to the government's role in caring for all of the citizens in this country. References to this information include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-welfare-state.htm The welfare state provides education, housing, sustenance, healthcare, pensions, unemployment insurance, sick leave or time off due to injury, supplemental income in some cases, and equal wages through price and wage controls. It also provides for public transportation, childcare, social amenities such as public parks and libraries, as well as many other goods and services. Some of these items are paid for via government insurance programs while others are paid for by taxes. Most advanced nations are not true welfarewelfarewelfare states, although many provide at least some social services or entitlement programs. These goods and services are generally available only to certain people who meet eligibility requirements. However, those that meet the prerequisites are guaranteed -or entitled to- benefits as a right. This type of system is frequently referred to as a “safety net,” which is designed to help the most vulnerable. The welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is socialist in nature. It redistributes wealth by heavily taxing the middle and upper classes in order to provide goods and services for those seen as underprivileged. However, even countries that don’t typically subscribe to socialism offer at least some form of safety net, most of which continue to expand. One example is the United States, which according to many European countries, is found lacking when it comes to altruism in government. The truth is that the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate on a federal level is the antithesis of personal liberty, at least according to the U.S. Constitution, which enumerates specific powers granted to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment grants all other powers to the states, “or to the people.” This means that individual states should be in charge of their own welfarewelfarewelfare programs, rather than the central government. While some nations believe that creating a welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is the proper role of any central government, few have managed to create efficient systems. They are unable to provide equitably for all their citizens, often leaving those most in need with the least. Rationing of goods and services also becomes a major problem when too many people depend on the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate. All advanced societies view helping people who literally cannot help themselves as decent, humane, and necessary. Yet, another serious issue with the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate philosophy is that many people who are capable of caring for themselves have no motivation to improve their lives when they can depend on the government to provide for them. This often breeds resentment amongst those who do work when they are forced to pay for people who do not, via ever-increasing taxes. Such a system can fuel class warfare and prevent equality instead of obtaining it. The concept of the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate may appear to be a good model on paper. However, the reality of creating a truly equitable statestatestate has thus far been impossible to achieve. Hey someone read it all. I am shocked...lol Anyway a 100 percent welfare state would be impossible to acheive. We don't have one here. And will never have one. I think the Romans tryed it-- not sure how that workwd out!!??!!
Sorry--tried it-- |
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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....
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According to Nadasen, Mittelstadt & Chappell in Welfare In The United States, "welfare" has been seen as federal cash aid to poor single mothers and their children. "Yet any number of government assistance programs might also be labeled welfare, including Old Age Assistance, Aid to the Disabled, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, unemployment insurance, public housing, legal services, student grant programs, corporate bailouts, corporate subsidies, and food stamps. Some of these programs are targeted to the poor, but the nation's most generous social welfare measures--such as Social Security, Medicare, and veteran's benefits--are available to people regardless of income status. ...nearly everyone in the United States--rich and poor, taxpayers and non-taxpayers, women and men, immigrants and native born, young and old, whites and people of color--receive government assistance."
city parks, highways/interstates, libraries, student loans, farm subsidies, mortgage deductions, business expense tax write-offs, child dependent deductions, and etc etc etc are all forms of government assistance. "...but they (recipients of listed) do not see themselves as welfare recipients, and their entitlement do not generally spark polictical controversy" "Scholars refer to this broad constellation of federal programs and benefits as the "welfare state"..." |
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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....
Sorry... took me a while to type it up.. and had a cigarette break in the middle! 
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified.
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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....
Sorry... took me a while to type it up.. and had a cigarette break in the middle!
Liked it--I'm havong a cig as I type---And my profile say's i don't smoke!!!  
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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....
Sorry... took me a while to type it up.. and had a cigarette break in the middle!
Liked it--I'm havong a cig as I type---And my profile say's i don't smoke!!!
 Mine says I don't too! It's just that I quit and start.. quit and start! LOL
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. |
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I am not sure people do understand what it actually means. Hell I am fairly sure I would get it wrong too. But I am curious as hell what you are going to contribute, Tanyaann.. I'm tapping my fingers, waiting... waiting... waiting....
Sorry... took me a while to type it up.. and had a cigarette break in the middle!
Liked it--I'm havong a cig as I type---And my profile say's i don't smoke!!!
Mine says I don't too! It's just that I quit and start.. quit and start! LOL
me to!! |
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. One thing--if they dump it now--the country will crash faster then it all-ready is!!
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. What I mean by that is that one who collects say unemployment is going to feel they "deserve" it more than a young girl receiving food stamps or government housing. Or a veteran is going to feel they "deserve" help more than a recovering drug addict that has gone crazy and now receives disability... With everything on that list..everyone has ,is or will be receiving something...at one point. Some may feel their contributions entitle them to receive said benefits. |
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. You mean those who do not identify themselves as recipients of the "welfare state" and judge all others who they believe do? Such as those who get access to or utilize "city parks, highways/interstates, libraries, student loans, farm subsidies, mortgage deductions, business expense tax write-offs, child dependent deductions, and etc etc etc are all forms of government assistance" and talk about welfare recipients like dogs? They are delusional of course...lol |
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. What I mean by that is that one who collects say unemployment is going to feel they "deserve" it more than a young girl receiving food stamps or government housing. Or a veteran is going to feel they "deserve" help more than a recovering drug addict that has gone crazy and now receives disability... With everything on that list..everyone has ,is or will be receiving something...at one point. Some may feel their contributions entitle them to receive said benefits. Thank you! Very well said! |
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well that makes sense and also explains why some feel more entitled than others...amazing how everything can be justified. I am glad to have helped you understand. Could you explain 'why some feel more entitled than others'? Or give an example. You mean those who do not identify themselves as recipients of the "welfare state" and judge all others who they believe do? Such as those who get access to or utilize "city parks, highways/interstates, libraries, student loans, farm subsidies, mortgage deductions, business expense tax write-offs, child dependent deductions, and etc etc etc are all forms of government assistance" and talk about welfare recipients like dogs? They are delusional of course...lol 
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heavenlyboy34
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Fri 09/18/09 06:20 PM
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Although a lot of different meanings are thrown around the welfare state actually referres to the government's role in caring for all of the citizens in this country. References to this information include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-welfare-state.htm The welfare state provides education, housing, sustenance, healthcare, pensions, unemployment insurance, sick leave or time off due to injury, supplemental income in some cases, and equal wages through price and wage controls. It also provides for public transportation, childcare, social amenities such as public parks and libraries, as well as many other goods and services. Some of these items are paid for via government insurance programs while others are paid for by taxes. Most advanced nations are not true welfarewelfarewelfare states, although many provide at least some social services or entitlement programs. These goods and services are generally available only to certain people who meet eligibility requirements. However, those that meet the prerequisites are guaranteed -or entitled to- benefits as a right. This type of system is frequently referred to as a “safety net,” which is designed to help the most vulnerable. The welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is socialist in nature. It redistributes wealth by heavily taxing the middle and upper classes in order to provide goods and services for those seen as underprivileged. However, even countries that don’t typically subscribe to socialism offer at least some form of safety net, most of which continue to expand. One example is the United States, which according to many European countries, is found lacking when it comes to altruism in government. The truth is that the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate on a federal level is the antithesis of personal liberty, at least according to the U.S. Constitution, which enumerates specific powers granted to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment grants all other powers to the states, “or to the people.” This means that individual states should be in charge of their own welfarewelfarewelfare programs, rather than the central government. While some nations believe that creating a welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is the proper role of any central government, few have managed to create efficient systems. They are unable to provide equitably for all their citizens, often leaving those most in need with the least. Rationing of goods and services also becomes a major problem when too many people depend on the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate. All advanced societies view helping people who literally cannot help themselves as decent, humane, and necessary. Yet, another serious issue with the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate philosophy is that many people who are capable of caring for themselves have no motivation to improve their lives when they can depend on the government to provide for them. This often breeds resentment amongst those who do work when they are forced to pay for people who do not, via ever-increasing taxes. Such a system can fuel class warfare and prevent equality instead of obtaining it. The concept of the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate may appear to be a good model on paper. However, the reality of creating a truly equitable statestatestate has thus far been impossible to achieve. Hey someone read it all. I am shocked...lol Anyway a 100 percent welfare state would be impossible to acheive. We don't have one here. And will never have one. That's why we have the warfare State-to fund the welfare state.  (as the old saying goes, "War is a racket")
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and I'm thinking Dragoness said it better than I did..
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Although a lot of different meanings are thrown around the welfare state actually referres to the government's role in caring for all of the citizens in this country. References to this information include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-welfare-state.htm The welfare state provides education, housing, sustenance, healthcare, pensions, unemployment insurance, sick leave or time off due to injury, supplemental income in some cases, and equal wages through price and wage controls. It also provides for public transportation, childcare, social amenities such as public parks and libraries, as well as many other goods and services. Some of these items are paid for via government insurance programs while others are paid for by taxes. Most advanced nations are not true welfarewelfarewelfare states, although many provide at least some social services or entitlement programs. These goods and services are generally available only to certain people who meet eligibility requirements. However, those that meet the prerequisites are guaranteed -or entitled to- benefits as a right. This type of system is frequently referred to as a “safety net,” which is designed to help the most vulnerable. The welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is socialist in nature. It redistributes wealth by heavily taxing the middle and upper classes in order to provide goods and services for those seen as underprivileged. However, even countries that don’t typically subscribe to socialism offer at least some form of safety net, most of which continue to expand. One example is the United States, which according to many European countries, is found lacking when it comes to altruism in government. The truth is that the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate on a federal level is the antithesis of personal liberty, at least according to the U.S. Constitution, which enumerates specific powers granted to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment grants all other powers to the states, “or to the people.” This means that individual states should be in charge of their own welfarewelfarewelfare programs, rather than the central government. While some nations believe that creating a welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate is the proper role of any central government, few have managed to create efficient systems. They are unable to provide equitably for all their citizens, often leaving those most in need with the least. Rationing of goods and services also becomes a major problem when too many people depend on the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate. All advanced societies view helping people who literally cannot help themselves as decent, humane, and necessary. Yet, another serious issue with the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate philosophy is that many people who are capable of caring for themselves have no motivation to improve their lives when they can depend on the government to provide for them. This often breeds resentment amongst those who do work when they are forced to pay for people who do not, via ever-increasing taxes. Such a system can fuel class warfare and prevent equality instead of obtaining it. The concept of the welfarewelfarewelfare statestatestate may appear to be a good model on paper. However, the reality of creating a truly equitable statestatestate has thus far been impossible to achieve. Hey someone read it all. I am shocked...lol Anyway a 100 percent welfare state would be impossible to acheive. We don't have one here. And will never have one. That's why we have the warfare State-to fund the welfare state. (as the old saying goes, "War is a racket")
Found that out back in Vietnam----Ted kennedy opposed the war --but owned more then just a few shares of Sealand!! |
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well *I* deserve my social security and medicare (I dont really get food stamps. I just made that part up)
but then I dunno if social security counts as a welfare entitlement since you pay into it all your life before getting it. maybe it is, maybe not, I dunno |
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