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Topic: Can time or movement stop?
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Fri 08/21/09 08:38 AM
Edited by smiless on Fri 08/21/09 08:39 AM
Could it be possible that time or movement stops as we know it.

Yes we know on Earth or even this universe perhaps not but what about other parts of the galaxies?

Or is this impossible? What is your conclusion?

Or perhaps time and movement really doesn't exist.

What do you think?

Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 08/21/09 08:44 AM
Time is something we came up with to manage our days.. there is no time.
It's all non linear, everything is happening at the once..
Time is an illusion. jmo :heart:

anthsm22's photo
Fri 08/21/09 08:44 AM

Could it be possible that time or movement stops as we know it.

Yes we know on Earth or even this universe perhaps not but what about other parts of the galaxies?

Or is this impossible? What is your conclusion?

Or perhaps time and movement really doesn't exist.

What do you think?

Joseph420420's photo
Fri 08/21/09 08:49 AM
i believe time is just an illusion, it only exists because we can "keep track of it" but if its an illusion what are we really keeping trackof? this question only raises more questions, time canstand still for a single person but be moving for the rest, like when you fall in love it can last forever at the same time it feels like itflew by, time could stand still, time could fly by faser than yu know it, its all how one percieves it, how they think of it, our time is only measured by the spinning of the earth, and its orbit around the sun, which in other galaxies, if the stars have planets, theyre time will be measured the same way, like einstein says if your flyign at the rate of the speed of light, time stands still, so perhaps there are galaxies containin planets that travel at such a speed, they are not really even moving, or going anywhere, perhaps theyre just unmeasurable, but time like i said, is only an illusion, it is said to be possible in theory to go forward in time but youd never be able to go backwards cause whats done is done, but fortime to stop, the whole universe would have to stop, every thing wthin it would have to stop, and if that happened, we'd lose the relative tempurature of the entire universe and it would just slowly cool and die, =/ idk im rambling what do others think?

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Fri 08/21/09 08:53 AM
The great part about this question is there's really no way to tell. We can only tell our movement relative to other objects. And quantum mechanics makes that even a little fuzzy. And movement implies a change in location vs time. And for time we have no real absolute reference. We could be operating in frames of time... like a movie... and if we are in the frames, we have no idea whether we're really moving through the projector at some constant pace or whether we're more like a filmstrip that pauses between frames and moves to the next arbitrarily. Nor do we really know that the frames play in order, randomly, or all at once. All we know is that we perceive it to be moving in an order at a constant pace.

Joseph420420's photo
Fri 08/21/09 09:06 AM

The great part about this question is there's really no way to tell. We can only tell our movement relative to other objects. And quantum mechanics makes that even a little fuzzy. And movement implies a change in location vs time. And for time we have no real absolute reference. We could be operating in frames of time... like a movie... and if we are in the frames, we have no idea whether we're really moving through the projector at some constant pace or whether we're more like a filmstrip that pauses between frames and moves to the next arbitrarily. Nor do we really know that the frames play in order, randomly, or all at once. All we know is that we perceive it to be moving in an order at a constant pace.
its all how one percieves it, for me, i do not see it as a constant, maybe only on earth but when i look to the sky i dont feel time as a constant, i dont feel liek it flows in the same exact way "alll the time",i feel as if some days are shorter and some days are longer, time ties in with how you feel, how you percieve it relative to how you feel, but you are right, time is measured and based off the orbits of the planets, or by the speed of light, and so on and so forth, but this doesnt answer his question, time could stand still, if you let it. if youwant time to fly by, you will most likly feel as if it has slowed down, ones anticipation can slow time, for the one percieving it, its all just a matter of just that, how you percieve it. it can stand still for you, but in all reality itsgoing at its own rate,

GRIFFIN_LIZZARD's photo
Fri 08/21/09 09:23 AM
Well if Einstein was correct Time varies depending on the speed at which you move, The whole twin brother goes off at the speed of light into space, then 5 years later he comes back, for him he's 5 years older but his twin on earth is 30 years older.

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Fri 08/21/09 09:40 AM

Well if Einstein was correct Time varies depending on the speed at which you move, The whole twin brother goes off at the speed of light into space, then 5 years later he comes back, for him he's 5 years older but his twin on earth is 30 years older.
he is correct there actually was a man that aged more slowly then the rest of us while in space but only by a few miliseconds i believe look it up ^^

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Fri 08/21/09 10:37 AM
So, yes it can be slown down... but the passenger inside the light speed spacecraft, would not notice the shift, only people watching him go by would... now since the time inside the craft is slown, and people watching are seeing time normal, the real mess is this..

Someone traveling at the speed of light would not be seen by somone outside the speed of light. So I suppose if you could go some multipul of the speed of light lets say 100 times the speed of light then time itself may in fact stop around you.

tngxl65's photo
Fri 08/21/09 10:49 AM

Well if Einstein was correct Time varies depending on the speed at which you move, The whole twin brother goes off at the speed of light into space, then 5 years later he comes back, for him he's 5 years older but his twin on earth is 30 years older.


Even the perceived speed at which we move is relative to the speed of light, which appears to us to be constant. But who's to say that the speed of light doesn't vary, and our speed (and time) doesn't vary with it.

Frankly I'm glad there are other people trying to figure this stuff out because I can hardly understand it when it's explained to me.

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Fri 08/21/09 11:07 AM

So, yes it can be slown down... but the passenger inside the light speed spacecraft, would not notice the shift, only people watching him go by would... now since the time inside the craft is slown, and people watching are seeing time normal, the real mess is this..

Someone traveling at the speed of light would not be seen by somone outside the speed of light. So I suppose if you could go some multipul of the speed of light lets say 100 times the speed of light then time itself may in fact stop around you.
at twice the speed of light it would stop but if you keep gong faster it would appear to reverse,if your traveling at the speed of light and you were to shine a flash light infront of you you would still not be able to keep up with the light...why is this? =]

GRIFFIN_LIZZARD's photo
Fri 08/21/09 11:37 AM
The main problem with going the speed of light is that at that speed you would be squeezed into a 1 partical wide stream, I don't think many people could survive that... so holding a flashlight would be impossible in the first place...

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Fri 08/21/09 11:47 AM

The main problem with going the speed of light is that at that speed you would be squeezed into a 1 partical wide stream, I don't think many people could survive that... so holding a flashlight would be impossible in the first place...
but If you could lol, thats what would happen in theory of course

GRIFFIN_LIZZARD's photo
Fri 08/21/09 12:35 PM
Much more relevant tho is this...

Time slows down when you near a black hole, but at the same time if you could get close enough to a black hole at the speed of light, would you go backward in time?

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Fri 08/21/09 03:40 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 08/21/09 03:48 PM
Space and time are two sides to the same coin.

The most fundamental symmetries in modern physics are the space-time symmetries of Lorentz transformations.

Lorentz transformations simply state that reference frames are equivalent if either rotated or moved at a constant velocity with respect to each other.

A direct result of the Lorentz transformations is time dilation.

The faster an object move through space, the slower it moves through time. The maximal speed is C, where at the speed of C a particle ceases to move through time. However for a particle with mass to move at the speed of light requires infinite energy, energy conservation says this is a no no.



The main problem with going the speed of light is that at that speed you would be squeezed into a 1 partical wide stream, I don't think many people could survive that... so holding a flashlight would be impossible in the first place...
but If you could lol, thats what would happen in theory of course
Yes, something like that, the squishing deal is called a Lorentz contraction.

Light speed in a vacuum is constant and so for light to always be traveling at this speed, something has to give, and its the spacial dimension and the time dimension, to you the person traveling at .9999 C you do not see yourself squished from your frame all is normal, nor slowed, for others not traveling at this blazing speed you would be squished and time slowed.

Fusion99's photo
Fri 08/21/09 03:57 PM

Could it be possible that time or movement stops as we know it.

Yes we know on Earth or even this universe perhaps not but what about other parts of the galaxies?

Or is this impossible? What is your conclusion?

Or perhaps time and movement really doesn't exist.

What do you think?
Let's look at The Third Law of Thermodynamics.

At absolute zero,that's -459.67 degrees Farenheit, all molecular and atomic motion CEASES. We can almost achieve this temperature, but not quite. This law says that if we could or a system could achieve Absolute 0, then the entropy (the disorder of a system) will reach a minimal value or a value near zero. Hope this helps.waving

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Fri 08/21/09 06:17 PM

However for a particle with mass to move at the speed of light requires infinite energy, energy conservation says this is a no no.
Let me slightly correct myself here, the math does not say that this is impossible (math after all does not "say" things, mathematicians and physicists say things), what it does is give infinity as the answer. In the mathematics of physics if you get infinity as the answer generally its dealt with as nonsense.


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Sat 08/22/09 01:00 AM
Edited by IntelligentDesigner on Sat 08/22/09 01:02 AM
Time is nothing more than a measurement system of sequential relations frome one event to another, measured in universal alloted units created by man. If we were to stop keeping track of said units, then yes, time could stop.

Movement, no, unless you manage to get rid of all matter in the universe, or collapse it all into a singular mass so dense, with a gravitational pull so strong, that there is absolutely no room for the subatomic particles within the mass to vibrate. Even particles in masses at the lowest temperatures vibrate a little. So theoretically, again, you'd have to condense the particles so tightly that they cannot move, or get rid of all matter and energy in the universe, but then, matter and energy are neither created nor destroyed, but simply change form, so good luck with that one.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Joseph420420's photo
Sat 08/22/09 01:10 AM
it just an illusion lol it can stop for you

wux's photo
Sat 08/22/09 10:08 AM
"Could it be possible that time stops as we know it."

Yes, it is a paradox. We can safely say "no" even without an experiment or mind experiment or blowing up the world.

We can measure time against time. We know there are sixty seconds in a minute. If we count forty-eight seconds, we know that's not a minute. If we count five minutes, we know that's exactly 300 seconds.

So time is measured by different measurements of time. You cannot measure time in yards or kilograms or pH. levels. If you do, you are measuring a movement, which has a known speed, and you calculate back the time interval during which the movement of other things happened, from that. Time itself can only be measured by measurements of time.

However. If you can stop time, then it could be stopped for how long? One day? One microsecond? One infinity?

This is where the paradox lies. If anything stops, then it is stopped for an interval of time. But if time stops.... how do we measure the length of the stoppage? It cannot be measured with a time measurement, because time is not moving. But time can only be measured with the passage of time... there.

It is inconceivable to stop time.

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The other way of looking at it is that time is sometimes stopped. But since all movement depends on time, when time stops, the movement stops, all movements stop. Today is August 22, 2009; between August 20, 2009, and today, there possibly and potentially could have been any number of time stoppages for any length of time intervals, measured by some out-of-this-world yet real clock. When the stoppage happen, all movements stop, so when the time restarts its movement, the movements dependent on time pick up their continued movements that they started before the stoppage.

This has an affect of no perceptible stoppage of time, since during the stoppages there are no movements, and all perception -- not just human or biolgoical -- depends on movement. Therefore in any stoppage of time no perception occurs, therefore the entire stopped time is unperceived, it escapes perception, therefore there is no way for anything real in the world to know about it. So it may or may not happen, it is conceivable and possible for it to happen, but there is no way of knowing whether it happens or not.

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