Topic: What do Jehovah's witness's believe?
AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 08/20/09 08:27 PM


When they come to my house in October, they sure don't like my Halloween decorations.

They also didn't like it when they came over and I was leaving to donate blood. You know that I had to let them know that I was doing that.bigsmile
Well Halloween is according to the encyclpiedia a pagan holiday. And the bible does say that blood is sacred belongs to God and to obstain from it. They do not believe in blood transfusions for these reasons.

As my blood is sacred...

I give it willingly to save the life of a human...

Humans being also sacred to me.

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Fri 08/21/09 01:07 PM
Edited by sail2awe on Fri 08/21/09 01:24 PM


They got a couple of things right, hell is merely the grave, same word is translated hell, grave, and pit in the OT. Paul only used the word once, & that would be in 1 Cor.15.

They do not believe in one Lord. They do not believe that Christ is God manifest in the flesh fulfilling OT Scripture.

They do not believe they are overcomers who are to inherit the heavenly city, even though they quote the number of overcomers as being 144,000. They don't have an answer for having more than 144,000 members either.

The do not believe in taking the context of Scripture into account if it goes against their beliefs. They don't believe what Paul wrote, that with the revelation of the mystery (secret) that God's Word was completed. They believe that God does have more to say but only to them, so although they will quote Paul when it suits them, they don't believe what Paul writes anyways. And so they need to by default also dismiss what the other apostles wrote, seeing as how they upheld Paul's status as an apostle sent from God.

In other words, they contradict both themselves as well as Scripture.
They believe 144,000 will go to heaven and the "other sheep" the rest of them will live forever on a paradise earth. They do believe that GOD's word is complete. Revelation does speak of other scrolls that have yet to be open. I guess that remains to be seen. they belive that all scripture is inspired of GOD and beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting things straight. You mentioned Paul several times, are you Pentacostal? The bible says that Jehovah is God, and Jesus is his son.


That is not what they tell me when we talk, nor what their books pronounce, rather, they believe they will inherit the earth. Not heaven. The Bible does not reveal that everyone will be resurrected on the earth, nor in the heavenly city which comes down to the earth, nor up in the heavenly places. There are, in this Book, at least three spheres of blessing, each independent and with their own instructins and practice. It is the mixing of all these things together which causes so great a confusion, even though we have the instructions that there are 'better things', things 'more excellent', and to 'rightly divide the word of truth.

If some things are more excellent then they cannot be the same. Heaven is not the earth or the other way around.

These JW's do not even believe themselves to be overcomers who shall live in that heavenly city which comes down to the earth, no, they believe they inherit the earth in resurrection.

It is the meek, and not some other group who God has chosen and foreordained, who will inherit the earth. Other people have a different 'hope', 'calling', and 'adoption' (these three words are often found within immediate context of one another) - which God Himself has made different.

Earth
Heavenly City
up in the heavenly places

3 spheres of blessings. Nothing about going to heaven in the OT, nor in the Gospels, nor in the Acts of the apostles. Only after Acts do we find Paul a prisoner for all nations, whose inheritance adoption hope and calling are up in the heavenly places. God has made these division while man tries to make them all mean the same thing.

Revelation contains more than 285 OT quotes, bringing to light, revelation, that which has been written in the OT. Paul claims, on the other hand, to have a two fold ministry, and announces that God had kept a secret that only after Acts 28:28 sent the salvation of God to the nations but now is made known. It is this secret, called the mystery, which Paul claims was hid in God from generations of men and from ages of time is that which completes, Greek pleroo, completes the Word of God.

If we disregard Paul's Holy Spirit inspired writing then we must also disregard all the other apostles because they stood of for Paul's apostleship. Moreover, Paul wrote more than half of the NT.


Paul was not one of the apostles of Pentecost, and Paul continued in persecuting that church for years and years.

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Fri 08/21/09 01:24 PM
So u are saying Yahshua's coming was to the heathan?

I would like to know where it says this at. Shalom...Miles

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Fri 08/21/09 02:43 PM
I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."

Dan99's photo
Fri 08/21/09 03:05 PM

I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door!

Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back.









tribefan73's photo
Fri 08/21/09 06:43 PM

I know,I was one. Honest truth here no judgement just truth.


They have a major issue with the deity of Jesus. They consider Him to be a created being like everyone else except God. Yet the N.T. tells us differently. Their version of the gospels have subtle changes in the text so that it doesn't conflict with what they believe. The Gospel of John is a major problem for them because it clearly states:

1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2-He was with God in the beginning.

3-Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4-In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5-The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

Also: 14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

They can't comprehend the full nature of God so they try to limit his abilities to suit them.

As far as the blood issue is concerned, God forbade the Israelite's from drinking blood in the O.T. & I think they carried their concern over protecting blood forward from there. It's an unfortunate belief because of the needless deaths that have occurred due to a lack of blood transfusions.

The only "144,000 are going to heaven" is a total misinterpretation of the text. It clearly says in the Book of Revelation, that the 144,000 are going to be virgin male Hebrews. No J-W is a Hebrew.
They think the New Earth will be the desired place to be, when before leaving this world Jesus said He was going back to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Jesus wants us to dwell with Him in His presence, in His Father's house.

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 06:49 PM


I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door!

Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back.









The constitution gives them the right as it does for you to not like it. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or not. No judgement just an observation.

Winx's photo
Fri 08/21/09 06:58 PM


If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.


I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.

Dan99's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:00 PM



I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door!

Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back.









The constitution gives them the right as it does for you to not like it. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or not. No judgement just an observation.


Legally they have the right, morally, they should leave me in peace, and not try to force me to listen to their nonsense.

Not that the constitution has anything to do with it. Especially as i am not American.






Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:06 PM



If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.




I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.




It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception.



Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:30 PM


I know,I was one. Honest truth here no judgement just truth.


They have a major issue with the deity of Jesus. They consider Him to be a created being like everyone else except God. Yet the N.T. tells us differently. Their version of the gospels have subtle changes in the text so that it doesn't conflict with what they believe. The Gospel of John is a major problem for them because it clearly states:

1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2-He was with God in the beginning.

3-Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4-In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5-The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

Also: 14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

They can't comprehend the full nature of God so they try to limit his abilities to suit them.

As far as the blood issue is concerned, God forbade the Israelite's from drinking blood in the O.T. & I think they carried their concern over protecting blood forward from there. It's an unfortunate belief because of the needless deaths that have occurred due to a lack of blood transfusions.

The only "144,000 are going to heaven" is a total misinterpretation of the text. It clearly says in the Book of Revelation, that the 144,000 are going to be virgin male Hebrews. No J-W is a Hebrew.
They think the New Earth will be the desired place to be, when before leaving this world Jesus said He was going back to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Jesus wants us to dwell with Him in His presence, in His Father's house.
The word was a God. Translated from the original greek, In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was toward the GOD, and god was the Word. Case sensitive(has meaning in greek) also notice the use of the word "THE". Perhaps other translations are trying to prove the trinity. Please remember I am not a JW. I do however have an interest in truth not religion. Act 15:20 does say to obstain from blood. If they are over concerned in this area perhaps they are erring on the side of caution. They have faith Jehovah will remember and bless them for this. as far as the virgin male Hebrew reference I cannot find that in the Greek,King James, nor the New World translation. I have de-bunked. Unless you can show me. And yes there are JW's in Israel. The Jewish nation rejected Jesus and therefore that was the last straw they are a stubborn and stiffnecked people. That is why Jesus and his apostles preached th gosple to the nations. Christianity was thus born. Finally no man can look upon GOD and yet live. I am not here to preach there doctrine. I just want to tell the truth about it. I am troubled by the fact that some Christians have such a reverence for Jews when they were responsible for Jesus death his blood is on their hands.

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:32 PM




I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door!

Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back.









The constitution gives them the right as it does for you to not like it. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or not. No judgement just an observation.


Legally they have the right, morally, they should leave me in peace, and not try to force me to listen to their nonsense.

Not that the constitution has anything to do with it. Especially as i am not American.






Very well then.

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:36 PM



If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.


I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.
Holy cow. Im too lazy to look up all the scriptures they use to "prove" these beliefs. However they are quite convincing. Im sure they would be happy to show you. LOL

Winx's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:37 PM




If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.

I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.

It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception.


Thanks. From what I've read, people won't be on a "paradise earth".

Winx's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:39 PM




If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.


I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.
Holy cow. Im too lazy to look up all the scriptures they use to "prove" these beliefs. However they are quite convincing. Im sure they would be happy to show you. LOL


No, thanks.laugh

At what age did you quit being JW?

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:40 PM




If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.




I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.




It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception.



It has been said that perception is reality. I sense a tendacy to not believe christianity in your statement. Im curious where or what that stems from.

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:41 PM



When they come to my house in October, they sure don't like my Halloween decorations.

They also didn't like it when they came over and I was leaving to donate blood. You know that I had to let them know that I was doing that.bigsmile
Well Halloween is according to the encyclpiedia a pagan holiday. And the bible does say that blood is sacred belongs to God and to obstain from it. They do not believe in blood transfusions for these reasons.

As my blood is sacred...

I give it willingly to save the life of a human...

Humans being also sacred to me.
That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Logan1976's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:48 PM





If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe?
The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Those determined to be evil by God die and cease to exist. Having not shown faith in Jesus Christ ransom sacrifice they are not resurected to eternal life on a paradise earth wich God will make here on earth after Armageddon. 144,000 people will be chosen by god to rule as kings and priests in heaven they call them the "annointed" and the righteous "other sheep" will live forever on a paradise earth. At Armageddon Jesus and his angels will fight with Satan and his demons Jesus wins. From there he will lock Satan up for 1000 years at wich point he will be let go and those that follow him will be destroyed with him never to exist again.


I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible.
Holy cow. Im too lazy to look up all the scriptures they use to "prove" these beliefs. However they are quite convincing. Im sure they would be happy to show you. LOL


No, thanks.laugh

At what age did you quit being JW?
At the age of 22. I was raised a JW. At 18 I did some bad things(alot of vandalism and some violence to others) because of the clergy do not have to leagally turn you into the police they did not. However they did "disfellowship" me. Basically they let you go to there meetings but you cant associate with them until you prove to be repentant. I have never been arreated for the things I did back then. I do carry some guilt for them. They let me back after about 18 months.

adj4u's photo
Fri 08/21/09 07:50 PM

I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


i know many as well

and it matters not who one is

they deserve respect till they prove otherwise

drinker drinker


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Fri 08/21/09 08:10 PM


I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people.
Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect.

And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks."


i know many as well

and it matters not who one is

they deserve respect till they prove otherwise

drinker drinker




drinker drinker drinker