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Topic: Single Payer Healthcare...
Giocamo's photo
Tue 08/04/09 07:57 AM
Edited by Giocamo on Tue 08/04/09 07:58 AM
let's see what Obama really thinks...If you have a 1:40...I think you can draw your own conclusion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

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Tue 08/04/09 11:38 AM

let's see what Obama really thinks...If you have a 1:40...I think you can draw your own conclusion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk


very irresponsible to take several interviews then pick out bits and pieces to make it fit your argument.

It's no bloody secret that at one point in Obama's career he said wanted single payer and still does I believe, but he admitted that it would be a hard sell in the climate at the time. But this is NOT 2007. Duh! He knows at this point that there has to be compremise to get anything done.

Big Whoop, didn't people do their homework during the campaigns? Guess not. This is all of a sudden news?


Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/04/09 11:46 AM
Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.

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Tue 08/04/09 12:02 PM

Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.


Ya, let's show the world just how caring we are, when we don't even give a crapola about our own.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 08/04/09 02:16 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Tue 08/04/09 02:32 PM


Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.


Ya, let's show the world just how caring we are, when we don't even give a crapola about our own.


It is important that we don't let greed control us all. The terrible thing about this sin is the fact that it plagues all classes, and all forms of life.

The poor can be just as greedy as the rich.

We all seem to want something we haven't earned.

The answer to this, is help your neighbor. The disaster to this, is have other people help your neighbor for you (in other words, our government). All seems to be a way to get, or give something we haven't earned.

People are people, animals in the same nature that rules the desert or rainforest. We just have more sophisticated technology. If the ones that succeed, must dedicate their lives to the ones that don't, progression will cease to exist. There is a balance.

Giocamo's photo
Tue 08/04/09 02:17 PM

Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.


those clips are straight from the horses ***!!...

no photo
Tue 08/04/09 06:27 PM
Edited by boo2u on Tue 08/04/09 06:35 PM


Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.


those clips are straight from the horses ***!!...


They are distorted and taken out of context. But you knew that didn't you? ugh!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 08/04/09 08:38 PM



Utube as a reliable source of news is beyond laughable anyway.

Healthcare has been an issue in this country for a long time and National Healthcare has been a desire of this country since people realized they could die without healthcare.

It would be nice if we could prove we are the greatest nation in world by caring for our underprivledged in this country.


Ya, let's show the world just how caring we are, when we don't even give a crapola about our own.


It is important that we don't let greed control us all. The terrible thing about this sin is the fact that it plagues all classes, and all forms of life.

The poor can be just as greedy as the rich.

We all seem to want something we haven't earned.

The answer to this, is help your neighbor. The disaster to this, is have other people help your neighbor for you (in other words, our government). All seems to be a way to get, or give something we haven't earned.

People are people, animals in the same nature that rules the desert or rainforest. We just have more sophisticated technology. If the ones that succeed, must dedicate their lives to the ones that don't, progression will cease to exist. There is a balance.


I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

When people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 08/04/09 09:24 PM
It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.

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Wed 08/05/09 04:32 PM

It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead

Giocamo's photo
Wed 08/05/09 04:45 PM


It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead


once again...they can keep it...unless...this bill has been in place one year...and...you change jobs...get fired...or...change your plan...the your only option will be thw government plan...page 16...read it again...slowly...:smile:

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Wed 08/05/09 04:56 PM
Edited by boo2u on Wed 08/05/09 04:57 PM



It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead


once again...they can keep it...unless...this bill has been in place one year...and...you change jobs...get fired...or...change your plan...the your only option will be thw government plan...page 16...read it again...slowly...:smile:


Again, I did not see what you saw in page 16, your interpreting it differently than I am.

Winx's photo
Wed 08/05/09 04:59 PM

let's see what Obama really thinks...If you have a 1:40...I think you can draw your own conclusion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk


Those are partial sentences of his.whoa

Quietman_2009's photo
Wed 08/05/09 05:40 PM




It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead


once again...they can keep it...unless...this bill has been in place one year...and...you change jobs...get fired...or...change your plan...the your only option will be thw government plan...page 16...read it again...slowly...:smile:


Again, I did not see what you saw in page 16, your interpreting it differently than I am.


you're not reading slow enough

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 08/05/09 06:02 PM




It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead


once again...they can keep it...unless...this bill has been in place one year...and...you change jobs...get fired...or...change your plan...the your only option will be thw government plan...page 16...read it again...slowly...:smile:


Again, I did not see what you saw in page 16, your interpreting it differently than I am.


That is exactly what it says, essentially, the only way to add a member to a group plan is if they are a dependent.

However, it's 13xx pages or something now... I'm curious if there is an amendment somewhere in there...

Atlantis75's photo
Wed 08/05/09 06:44 PM
Somehow I thought the priorities have changed like a year now, I'd rather see more jobs created and roads and bridges fixed before digging deep into the health care issue. Anyway, the unemployed rate is way up and rapidly rising. Not to mention these wars that are going on and record foreclosures. Somehow health care falls behind in priorities if you ask me, but hey, it's only me probably.

Atlantis75's photo
Wed 08/05/09 07:54 PM
Wow, this forum is dead. Dee-EEE-dee. Dead. lol...Man in Tights.

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Wed 08/05/09 08:04 PM





It seems to me if Obama really wanted to get everyone insured he would concentrate on the people who have no insurance instead of telling the people who have insurance they have to drop theirs and get the governments.80% of the people say they like the health insurance they have so why screw it up?If the government wants everyone insured they should have their own program(like Cobra)where if you had no insurance you could purchase it through the government or get your own.It makes me suspicious and Obamas plan does ring of Socialism when he keeps talking about this total take over of health care.

This is one of the biggest bills and one of the biggest changes in the history of the United states.Every page should be read and everything in that bill should be discussed and agreed on.Obama hasn't even read the bill nor has the majority of people voting on it.This kind of stupid logic is hard to believe.Could you imagine if you were buying a house and the bank handed you a contract over 1,000 pages thick.Then imagine not even reading it and signing it.How stupid would that be?

The government is anything but efficent.They have a long history of screwing things up and paying 10 times what a private company would pay.I also don't buy for a second that our taxes would not go up by leaps and bounds because of the cost.Many have said as much as 1/3 of our paycheck would go to taxes.I believe this to be true.Go to Canada and see how high their taxes are and how much they take out of your paycheck to pay for their health care.


How stupid is it when No matter how many times Obama tells people if they are happy with their insurance they can keep it, folks like you keep distorting the message. slaphead


once again...they can keep it...unless...this bill has been in place one year...and...you change jobs...get fired...or...change your plan...the your only option will be thw government plan...page 16...read it again...slowly...:smile:


Again, I did not see what you saw in page 16, your interpreting it differently than I am.


That is exactly what it says, essentially, the only way to add a member to a group plan is if they are a dependent.

However, it's 13xx pages or something now... I'm curious if there is an amendment somewhere in there...


I think they need to reword it to be more specific because I am not interpreting it in the same way as others on here.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 08/06/09 09:48 AM

Somehow I thought the priorities have changed like a year now, I'd rather see more jobs created and roads and bridges fixed before digging deep into the health care issue. Anyway, the unemployed rate is way up and rapidly rising. Not to mention these wars that are going on and record foreclosures. Somehow health care falls behind in priorities if you ask me, but hey, it's only me probably.


It's called supporting a Welfare Nation. Unfortunately no one seems to want to think about the future disasters that would cause for the U.S.

No, instead everyone wants to sit back and not have to worry about a job, or doing anything productive, and they want to have everything.

This lesson has been learned before, from collapsing empires, and unfortunately, due to man's short term memory complex, we will learn it again.

Have fun folks...

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Thu 08/06/09 01:52 PM


Somehow I thought the priorities have changed like a year now, I'd rather see more jobs created and roads and bridges fixed before digging deep into the health care issue. Anyway, the unemployed rate is way up and rapidly rising. Not to mention these wars that are going on and record foreclosures. Somehow health care falls behind in priorities if you ask me, but hey, it's only me probably.


It's called supporting a Welfare Nation. Unfortunately no one seems to want to think about the future disasters that would cause for the U.S.

No, instead everyone wants to sit back and not have to worry about a job, or doing anything productive, and they want to have everything.

This lesson has been learned before, from collapsing empires, and unfortunately, due to man's short term memory complex, we will learn it again.

Have fun folks...


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Obama Health care - The idea that every citizen is a cost to be minimized for the greater good, without regard to his own wishes.”

—Harry Kimball

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