here you go Doc. I got it for you...

Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland
for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.[1] Formally organized in
the late 19th century, the movement was successful in establishing the
State of Israel in 1948, as the world's first and only modern Jewish
State.

modern day jewish state, so who took away their old one?

Romans in 70AD, there abouts!!!

yep and in there lies the problem huh?

okay man, thanks for the conversation.


doc

IN 1939 AT THE OUTSET OF WORLD WAR II, ONLY 3% OF THE WORLD JEWISH
POPUALTION LIVED IN PALESTINE, WHILE TODAY THAT FIGURE IS APPROACHING
THE 50% LEVEL. HITLER KILLED 2/3 OF EUROPEAN JEWRY, WHICH AMOUNTED TO
1/3 OF THE TOTAL WORLD JEWRY POPULATION IN 1945. RUSSIA UNDER STALIN
ALSO KILLED UNTOLD THOUSANDS MORE.

THE RESETTLEMENT OF JEWS IN ISRAEL TODAY IS A MAJOR CONTROVERSY
AROUND THE WORLD. EVERY NATION AROUND THE WORLD HAS DEMANDED THAT ISRAEL
REFRAIN FROM SETTLEMENT CONSTRUCTION IN THE LANDS THAT IT HAS ACQUIRED
THROUGH VICTORIOUS WARS FOR SURVIVAL. A NEW STATE OF PALESTINE WILL PUT
AN END TO SETTTLEMENT CONSTRUCTION, AND PERHAPS LIMIT IMMIGRATION
CAPABILITIES FOR ISRAEL.

ZECHARIAH 8:7 THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; BEHOLD, I WILL SAVE MY
PEOPLE FROM THE EAST COUNTRY AND FROM THE WEST COUNTRY.

ISAIAH 43:5-6 FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WITH THEE; I WILL BRING THY SEED
FROM THE EAST AND GATHER THEE FROM THE WEST; I WILL SAY TO THE NORTH,
GIVE UP, AND I WILL SAY TO THE SOUTH, KEEP THEM NOT BACK!


GOD IS BRINGING THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL HOME
THE FIG TREE IS PLANTED


Thats pretty religous, dont you think??

remember talking about this DOC?

KCBS - AP News ArticleWASHINGTON (AP) Lebanon has asked the United
States for $280 million in military assistance to help put down an
uprising by al-Qaida-inspired militants ...
www.kcbs.com/topic/ap_news.php?story=AP/APTV/National/a/w/US-Lebanon -
May 22,

Fanta...good try


but he is not gonna get it....unless he delves into it, and even then, i
doubt he will appreciate what actually is going on...what has happened
and why.

he does not want to wake up..he likes the stupor of brainwashed loyalty
to his allmighty america...makes him feel like he belongs somewhere.

israeli's never shot into a palestinian camp???????? they shoot
Hammas...

right

Now Now Now, its tiring to be talked about like Im not here.

I asked a simple question and instead of you even trying to answer it,
you just decide to call some names. Who is the person who doesnt want to
hear or see the truth?

Did I ever say that the Isreal hasnt shot hamas? hell yes they have. and
since you accuse me of cutting and pasting heres one for you....

Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip nine months ago, more than 300
rockets, mostly Qassams, have been fired at adjacent Jewish
neighborhoods. More than 10 rockets were fired last week alone.
Israeli officials also say Iran has been improving rocket capabilities
of anti-Israel groups, including the Lebanese-based Hezbollah, which
reportedly recently acquired new rockets from Tehran that can travel
about 125 miles, placing most major Israeli population centers within
rocket-firing range of the group's outposts along Israel's northern
border.
Asked whether Hamas received any Iranian assistance in developing his
organization's missile arsenal, Abdullah replied, "Hamas as an Islamic
movement and Muslims have the right to receive help from any Muslim
power all over the world. This is part of Islamic tradition and the
Quran. Hamas has excellent relations with Hezbollah and Iran, but we are
not in the business of telling reporters whether Hamas has received
military help from Iran or from Hezbollah."
Abdullah continued: "The most racist regime that existed in modern
history, the South African apartheid regime, had excellent relations
with the Israelis and nobody condemned Israel because of this
collaboration. It shows how the world is hypocritical by trying to
criticize us for any help from Iran."
Abdullah claimed Israel has been deliberately minimizing his group's
rocket capabilities and stated Hamas eventually would break the
cease-fire to which it agreed last February.
"It is normal that the Israelis will underestimate the capabilities of
Palestinian resistance such as not admitting we are working on these new
missiles," he said. "The people who made the (Gaza) withdrawal don't
want to talk now about the so-called risks.
"In the last fifteen months, even though the fighters of Hamas kept the
cease-fire, we did not stop making important advancements and
professional training on the military level. In the future, after Hamas
is obliged to stop the cease-fire, the world shall see our new military
capabilities."

so im a mindless soldier for the US, who are you a soldier for, hamas?
hezbollah? al qaeda? listen, yes i have my bias opinions of these
groups, but YOU DO TOO of america and its soldiers and ideals, and to
say that you dont is really hard for me to believe. true colors be
shown, would you treat a wounded isreali I wonder, even this
"brainwashed" soldier has given trauma care to wounded al qaeda
extremists.
but hey you go in in your world, hope i never see you down range- id
actually be afraid that you would be firing a weapon just as much as the
guy next to you.

of course you could just try to have a conversation without all the
bigetry- be the bigger person on a higher moral ground.



doc
helpful advice
keep your head down- vest dont really work
without antibiotics gunshot wounds are still deadly.

Fanta, thanks for hanging in here. Seems like we are having to go back
to Israel 101 here.

Anyway, to add to your summary, the United Nations General Assembly only
recommended the partition of Palestine as a result of US arm-twisting.
Palestine did not belong to the United Nations so in no way could the UN
dispose of Palestinian lands, anymore than they could, say, Missouri.

So even the recommendation to disposses the Palestinians of 60% of their
land was completely, naturally and predictably unacceptable to the
Palestinians, as it would be to anyone who was put in that position. US
support for this displacement of the Palestinians was and remains
morally unconscionable. And if that is not enough for Americans, it is
also entirely contrary to US interests.

The Palestinians have been entirely victimized in this situation, and
they are fighting back with everything they can, from suicide attacks,
to diplomacy, to resisting Israeli attempts to get them to leave the
little remaining land they live on.

And So Men again Hasten the end knowing not what they do or
understanding not the consequences thereof.

Can they truly be that short sighted.

It will not bring the end only the quicker bring about their own
destruction.

don't they realise that both sides are from the same family. Seth's
decendents. The one being the 'favored' son by the Torah and the
sceptor the other being the 'favored' son by the lineage of the wanderer
of the desert.

Brother against Brother indeed.

isreal 101? yes think we do need to go back a little;


okay so there is archeologic evidence that the first people were in the
jerusalem area around the early bronze age (3000bc.) called habiru
1800bc revolt of the people(jebusites) caused the egyptians to enter
into the area 'for help', this brought in several different rulers, some
of which separated themselves from egypt and calling themselves hittite,
later calling themselves isrealites
1100bc area was known to belong to the isrealite kingdoms of david and
later solomon (historical references not biblical) and david took
control of the area with the hittites taking power away from the
jebusites
after david was solomon who built the temple of solomon which in time
became the primary place where people "worshipped"
when the kingdom of judah (really a tribe) broke from the kingdom of
isreal (the controlling tribe) they chose to make jerusalem their
capitol- isreals capital was a place called samaria.
jerusalem belonged to the judah kingdom for four hundred years, when the
assyrians in 701 bc.
the babylonians attached in 597. some weirdness occurred there with
emperor of babylon named nebuchadnezzar, he put a dude on the thrown
named gedaliah. the "judah ites" killed the guy and then fled to egypt
fearing revenge from the babylonians.
the persians took it from the babylonians.
the greeks took jerusalem from the persians.
and rome took it from the greeks placing a guy named harod on the thrown
around 19bc.
around 70ad there was a revolt but it was put down, it remained in roman
controll until about 614ad.
persia took control for a few years 614-629ad.
in 638 jerusalem was conquered by arab muslims.
they ruled for 350 years calling it palestine for the first time around
950ad, and built the 'dome of the rock' mosque.
christians/jews took the city back from the arabs in 1099 during the
crusades.
the kingdom of jerusalem lasted until 1291 when the tatars took it over.
the egyptians retook it shortly after that.
ottomans were next in line to take it in 1517 where they managed to keep
the relative peace with the growing diverse group of people from
judahism, islam, and christianity. even tho there were riffs between
greek orthodox church, catholic church, armenian, coptic, ethiopian, and
muslim churches.

so whats the beef;

seems that in the 1800's more jews kept filtering back to their homeland
from different places in the world- this made the jewish people the
largest RELIGIOUS group in jerusalem. this cause a lot of over crowding
by the churches and people started to get on each others nerves.....
but anyway
the british beat the turks during WWI and in 1917 took controll over the
area.
the arab "palestinians" really hated the british rule, but they hate the
fact that there were more jews coming into the city- around 1920 they
started rioting against the jews, and again a large riot in 1929, and
again in 1930. the jewish community started forming little self defense
groups to fend off attacking palestinians. voilence kept escalating
until 1946 when a group called Irgun blew up a hotel killing all kinds
of people. so ....

now walks in the UN and they decide that in 1947 the needs to be two
states, one jewish and one arab.
in 1948 the was the isreali - arab war, where the arabs block all the
roads into the city effectively putting it under seige. both groups
slaughtered all kinds of people.
somewhere jordan comes in and tries to help out, but everybody wanted
the city no one wanted to give it up. so there was fighting going on
there until 1967 when there was the six day war, where the jews took
control for the most part of the city.


whats the point of all this, hell i dont know, but it seems to me that
the jews were in fact there before the palestinians, like 2000 years
before, so who owns it? well the palestinians think they do or have
total right to it.

101 over,

doc

Doc it started long before that.

Canaan (which includes modern day Lebonon) was the land of the 4th son
of Ham, son of Noah. For some strange reason when Abraham was in his
travels it is claimed that God granted Abraham all rights to this land.
They been fighting over it ever since.

Like I said they are actually all family.

i didnt want to go into the biblical stuff, with abrahams forefathers,
but okay, cool, thanks. maybe distant cousins.

doc

and theres a few of those numbers wrong....
Not bad though, did that come from a jewish site?

Well, "Armydoc", you flunked, badly.

Here are a very few of the critical the items that you entirely missed:

1. Theodor Herzl
2. Chaim Weizmann
3. The Zionist movement
4. The Balfour Declaration
5. The King-Crane Commission
6. The Hussein Pledge
7. The Mandate, and the general Mandatory regime
8. The 1939 White Paper
9. The Ben Gurion Doctrine
10. The Jewish Brigades, Palmach, and Haganah
11. The Stern Gang
12. The Irgun
13. The UNGA Partition Resolution
14. The First, Second and Third Transfer Committees
15. The Green Line
16. The Armistice Commissions

And when you have finsihed studying those (and I mean studying, not
cutting and pasting from Internet sites), you can go on to

The Sykes-Picot Agreement
The Constantinople Agreement
The Treaty of Sevres
The Lausanne Treaty
The 1922 British Command Paper
Wilson's Fourteen Points (especially no. 5 and 12)
The Feisal-Weizmann Agreement, with its Reservation
The Declaration of Syrian Independence
The Peel Commission
The Moyne Assassination
The Bernadotte assassination
The Biltmore Program
The Roosevelt-Sa'ud undertaking

And these critical items only bring us to 1949.

The 101 Israeli-Palestinian Conflict course actually runs on through the
present, so you can see that you have a lot of studying to do. When
you've acquired the basic knowledge for the first half of the course,
I'll be glad to give you a list of items to study for the second half of
the course, 1949 to the present.

But it will take real study to get through this course. Quicky postings
from the Internet won't even get you close.

Of course, posting your opinions is always welcome here, but do not
pretend to be someone who is an expert on the actual conflict and its
history.

If you really want to learn, I'll be glad to help you. I mean this quite
sincerely.

Oceans

Nope. Jewish sites tend to push the it belongs to us cause god says so.
Moslims sites tend to say it belongs to us cause god says so.

I put that together based on information from several sources.

cut and paste like you did,,,
my point was this

a time line that put the jews there before the arabs

yes i could have mentioned all kinds of other stuff.

but you concentrate your comments only to the most recent history, so
professor i think that they way your conducting this class is a little
fraudulent, but hey its america aint it?

bias does no one any good. neither does complacency to except it.

Okay now that I have read my history lesson for the day, can any of you
list some solutions to the mideast problems? You obviously have a firm
grasp of the issues so what is your advice?

Step back and let god sort it out.