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Topic: Buffalo, NY
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Sat 07/25/09 01:54 PM
Edited by Winx on Sat 07/25/09 02:10 PM
Can you even imagine what this would have been like if they had gone through with it?!scared

Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo
AP 40 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration in 2002 considered sending U.S. troops into a Buffalo, N.Y., suburb to arrest a group of terror suspects in what would have been a nearly unprecedented use of military power, The New York Times reported.

Vice President Dick Cheney and several other Bush advisers at the time strongly urged that the military be used to apprehend men who were suspected of plotting with al Qaida, who later became known as the Lackawanna Six, the Times reported on its Web site Friday night. It cited former administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The proposal advanced to at least one-high level administration meeting, before President George W. Bush decided against it.

Dispatching troops into the streets is virtually unheard of. The Constitution and various laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

According to the Times, Cheney and other Bush aides said an Oct. 23, 2001, Justice Department memo gave broad presidential authority that allowed Bush to use the domestic use of the military against al-Qaida if it was justified on the grounds of national security, rather than law enforcement.

Among those arguing for the military use besides Cheney were his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials, the Times reported.

Opposing the idea were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bush ultimately nixed the proposal and ordered the FBI to make the arrests in Lackawanna. The men were subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Scott L. Silliman, a Duke University law professor specializing in national security law, told the Times that a U.S. president had not deployed the active-duty military on domestic soil in a law enforcement capacity, without specific statutory authority, since the Civil War.





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Sat 07/25/09 01:58 PM

Can you even imagine what this would have been like if they had gone through with it?!

Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo
AP 40 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration in 2002 considered sending U.S. troops into a Buffalo, N.Y., suburb to arrest a group of terror suspects in what would have been a nearly unprecedented use of military power, The New York Times reported.

Vice President Dick Cheney and several other Bush advisers at the time strongly urged that the military be used to apprehend men who were suspected of plotting with al Qaida, who later became known as the Lackawanna Six, the Times reported on its Web site Friday night. It cited former administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The proposal advanced to at least one-high level administration meeting, before President George W. Bush decided against it.

Dispatching troops into the streets is virtually unheard of. The Constitution and various laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

According to the Times, Cheney and other Bush aides said an Oct. 23, 2001, Justice Department memo gave broad presidential authority that allowed Bush to use the domestic use of the military against al-Qaida if it was justified on the grounds of national security, rather than law enforcement.

Among those arguing for the military use besides Cheney were his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials, the Times reported.

Opposing the idea were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bush ultimately nixed the proposal and ordered the FBI to make the arrests in Lackawanna. The men were subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Scott L. Silliman, a Duke University law professor specializing in national security law, told the Times that a U.S. president had not deployed the active-duty military on domestic soil in a law enforcement capacity, without specific statutory authority, since the Civil War.


thank you for keeping it real babe.drinker drinker drinker drinker

Winx's photo
Sat 07/25/09 02:12 PM
You're welcome, John.laugh flowerforyou

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Sat 07/25/09 02:14 PM
Bush pitchfork

Cheney pitchfork

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Sat 07/25/09 02:17 PM
How soon one forgets....911... and the atmosphere of FEAR that existed for the American people and for the Bush administration to protect the country against an unknown enemy. The year according to the article was 2002. It is easy to say after 8 years with no attacks that something like this would be wrong but in 2002 to not have such a backup plan would have been insane....
Suppose there had been 20 more terrorist lurking somewhere in the US.

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Sat 07/25/09 02:19 PM

How soon one forgets....911... and the atmosphere of FEAR that existed for the American people and for the Bush administration to protect the country against an unknown enemy. The year according to the article was 2002. It is easy to say after 8 years with no attacks that something like this would be wrong but in 2002 to not have such a backup plan would have been insane....
Suppose there had been 20 more terrorist lurking somewhere in the US.


I have not forgotten nor will I ever forget 911

Winx's photo
Sat 07/25/09 02:29 PM
I don't think anybody will ever forget 911.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 07/25/09 02:52 PM
:smile: Those sick freaks wanted to use the US military against its own citizens:smile:

Winx's photo
Sat 07/25/09 02:54 PM

:smile: Those sick freaks wanted to use the US military against its own citizens:smile:


"Dispatching troops into the streets".

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 07/25/09 03:02 PM


:smile: Those sick freaks wanted to use the US military against its own citizens:smile:


"Dispatching troops into the streets".
:smile: That's insane.:smile:I can't believe these people arn't in prison.:smile:

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Sat 07/25/09 03:28 PM
now that would have been the end of his presidency

the congress would have had him for lunch

us troops are not to be deployed on us soil for aggressive reasons

now he could have asked canada to do it tho since they have no such law but do have an agreement with the u s for such matters


think about that one

but hey .............


MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 07/25/09 03:30 PM

now that would have been the end of his presidency

the congress would have had him for lunch

us troops are not to be deployed on us soil for aggressive reasons

now he could have asked canada to do it tho since they have no such law but do have an agreement with the u s for such matters


think about that one

but hey .............


flowerforyou Im not so sure that would have went over very well with the American people either.:smile: Or the Canadian people.:smile:They arn't as warlike as we are.:smile:

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Sat 07/25/09 03:31 PM
do you think either govt really cares what the people think

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Sat 07/25/09 03:33 PM
Canada, U.S. agree to use each other’s troops in civil emergencies

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984

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Sat 07/25/09 03:37 PM

do you think either govt really cares what the people think
:smile: Probably not:smile:Good pointdrinker I tend to trust the Canadian goverment more than our own though:smile:

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Sat 07/25/09 03:38 PM


do you think either govt really cares what the people think
:smile: Probably not:smile:Good pointdrinker I tend to trust the Canadian goverment more than our own though:smile:


they were the ones keeping this a secrete what does that tell ya

huh

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Sat 07/25/09 03:39 PM

Canada, U.S. agree to use each other’s troops in civil emergencies

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984
:smile: I knew about that months ago.:smile: Not sure the canadians have the manpower to control a large part of the US though:smile: And I dont think we have the manpower to control large parts of their country either:smile:

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Sat 07/25/09 03:41 PM



do you think either govt really cares what the people think
:smile: Probably not:smile:Good pointdrinker I tend to trust the Canadian goverment more than our own though:smile:


they were the ones keeping this a secrete what does that tell ya

huh



:smile: Tells me they know their people and ours would be pissed and it would be a real problem if they ever actually tried to do it.:smile: Look at the hard time the US military has controling civilians in Iraq.:smile: It would be one hundred times harder here and in Canada.:smile: Especially with their families and resources amongst our population.:smile:

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Sat 07/25/09 03:42 PM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 07/25/09 03:43 PM
yep

i would hope the military personnel would refuse to obey

and go after those giving the orders

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 07/25/09 03:54 PM

yep

i would hope the military personnel would refuse to obey

and go after those giving the orders
drinker Thats right.drinker Any US military person that takes hostile military action against a US civilian (for any reason)is a traitor.:smile: And I hope they know that:smile: I dont think the Canadian military would be very popular here either.laugh The two militaries and the goverments would be making a MAJOR mistake if they tried something like that.:smile: It would look like the French Revolution by the time its overlaugh

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