Man takes phone call complaint a little too far
Tom BarlowTom Barlow RSS Feed
Jul 21st 2009 at 4:00PM

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........Apparently dissatisfied with the company's response, he called back. Finally, the company called him to resolve the issue, but the discussion between Papenfus and the service rep quickly went sour. After the service rep called Papenfus a jackass (or something similar, but profane), he responded with the threats that landed him in jail.
While the victim company was not listed in the police report, StLouistoday.com did some detective work and found that the only business that resided at the listed address is Service Protection Direct, a front for TXEN Partners

Service Protection Direct was successfully sued in 2008 by the Missouri Attorney General for its business practices, and the Better Business Bureau has criticized its marketing materials.

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Man Arrested for 'Terrorist Threat'
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enter the patriot act

how many said it would not be abused

this is going to get worse before it gets better if it gets better

St. Louis here.

"According to court documents, Charles W. Papenfus, 43, allegedly told a sales representative during a May 18 telephone call that he would burn down the building and kill the employees and their families. He was indicted for making a terrorist threat, a Class D felony; and he could be sentenced to up to four years in prison if convicted."
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His wife is saying, "he hadn't quite been himself after taking prescription painkiller medication for a compound wrist fracture he received in a motorcycle accident a few days before the call occurred. Irritability can be one side effect from those drugs, Forsyth said."


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/D14DE98D380D1B73862575FA0008F3A8?OpenDocument

i do not think it was a terrorist act

the company has been convicted of bad business practices

and the company representative called the man a profane name per the article


this is a blatant misuse of the patriot act

if i recall correctly there were a few here when they brought up how the patriot act would be used they were attacted and called unpatriotic (among other things) and told the govt would never abuse it


well remember this

we will never give a ticket or stop anyone for just a seat belt violation

now it is

CLICK IT OR TICKET


hey winx hbb2u

Yes, the terrorist act charge is extreme for this case. But...he should have consequences for his actions, IMO. It's "not cool" to threaten to burn down a building and kill the employees and their families, ya know?

The "click it or ticket" doesn't bother me. I always click it anyway.

Hey, Adj4u.

what is the definition of a terrorist threat?

the point is the deceptive practices used to get it passed it

if that is ok then bush no one should be singled out for deceit (not even bush)

did you click it before the law

just a thought

google it




and watch 12 angry men (the original one)

why then you wouldn't be able to say you told me so

pay me no mind

i am just a paranoid over thinker

I thought that the point was about what this man did and what the charges were against him.

Yep, I was clicking it many years before it became law. I think it's stupid not to do it.

Some would say that if I offered to cook for you, that could be a terrorist threat.....


But I think my loose definition would be any threat that is designed to cause fear that is meant to influence others to a specific goal or cause.

Terroristic Threat Law & Legal Definition

A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.

so under those definitions the caller did make a terroristic threat, right?

It was illegal to make Terroristic threats before patriot act

uh...its always been illegal to threaten people

please people. there is no such thing as war on terror. no there not terrorist there just pissed off. because the USA cant seem to mind there own business.and going to Iraq. only thing that done. was piss them off even more. seems that if you don't agree on USA world view they call you a terrorist.

If you disagree with the US and then threaten to kill (or actually kill) a whole bunch of people, they definitely call you a terrorist. Pretty sure we don't call the French terrorists, and they disagree with EVERYthing.

I don't see where the patriot act comes into this.