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Title VIII: Terrorism criminal law
Main article: USA PATRIOT Act, Title VIII Title VIII alters the definitions of terrorism, and establishes or re-defines rules with which to deal with it. It redefined the term "domestic terrorism" to broadly include mass destruction as well as assassination or kidnapping as a terrorist activity. The definition also encompasses activities that are "dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State" and are intended to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population," "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," or are undertaken "to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping" while in the jurisdiction of the United States.[142] Terrorism is also included in the definition of racketeering.[143] Terms relating to cyber-terrorism are also redefined, including the term "protected computer," "damage," "conviction," "person," and "loss."[144] |
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I have not found anything that deals with terrorist threats in the patriot act.
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Before the patriot act, existing law was more than adequate in my opinion to address all issues like this, as MirrorMirror keeps showing us.
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Thu 07/23/09 11:31 AM
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Wait.... could ""intimidate or coerce a civilian population," include verbal threats? I'm thinking no, from what I've read.
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If so, someone is in BIG trouble in my area today. Our building - and all others on the block - was evacuated at 10 am due to a bomb threat being called in. The person left a message in someone's voice mail, saying a bomb was in the building and was set to go off at "some point" today.
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Edited by
franshade
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Thu 07/23/09 11:23 AM
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By the definitions supplied this sure does sound like a terrorist threat.
Are you and others ok? |
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By the definitions supplied this sure does sound like a terrorist threat. Are you and others ok? Yes, all are ok, thanks :) Was scary though, because security relied on word of mouth only. I happened to be in the data center (secured room) talking with our server admin, and no one thought to check in there, lol. I happened to walk outside and saw an inordinate amount of people on the sidewalk. Asked what was going on, was told what was happening. So, went back into the building to get the server guy. People had tried calling but no one was answering the phone in there, so someone had to go get him. Crazy thing is, the local news station arrived before the bomb squad. |
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If so, someone is in BIG trouble in my area today. Our building - and all others on the block - was evacuated at 10 am due to a bomb threat being called in. The person left a message in someone's voice mail, saying a bomb was in the building and was set to go off at "some point" today. Wow... someone is in big trouble period. i wonder if they have particular reason to think its NOT a prank - i thought prank calls were fairly commoon. |
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Wow... someone is in big trouble period. i wonder if they have particular reason to think its NOT a prank - i thought prank calls were fairly commoon. They are common, but not for the building in question. I used to work for Wisconsin Bell (back when it was Wisconsin Bell) and we averaged so many bomb threats a week that it was almost a joke. Something in the message apparently gave them pause, though, so it was taken seriously. |
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I have not found anything that deals with terrorist threats in the patriot act. did you miss this in title I sec 101 (a) (1) (c) conducting terrorism threat assessments.............. 
read the act not the editorials about the act |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 07/23/09 12:03 PM
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I have not found anything that deals with terrorist threats in the patriot act. did you miss this in title I sec 101 (a) (1) (c) conducting terrorism threat assessments..............
read the act not the editorials about the act also check out title VIII sec 801 (a) (8)attempts<THREATENS>or conspires to do any of the before said acts so yes terrorist threats are included in the patriot act so prove me wrong read the act have fun and enjoy |
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Adj, when I was stating my ignorance of specifics, I didn't mean that to imply you are wrong, just that I don't see it myself.
I haven't looked at section 8. As far as "threat assessments", I read that as the same as "risk assessments". Which is not about whether someone is making a threat, but would be about whether someone is at risk. An assessment of the overall 'threat' to that entity. |
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Adj, when I was stating my ignorance of specifics, I didn't mean that to imply you are wrong, just that I don't see it myself. I haven't looked at section 8. As far as "threat assessments", I read that as the same as "risk assessments". Which is not about whether someone is making a threat, but would be about whether someone is at risk. An assessment of the overall 'threat' to that entity. at least you are researching your statements and explaining them if there is no threat what is there to assess
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TITLE VIII—STRENGTHENING THE
CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST TERRORISM SEC. 801. TERRORIST ATTACKS AND OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST MASS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. Chapter 97 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘§ 1993. Terrorist attacks and other acts of violence against mass transportation systems ‘‘(a) GENERAL PROHIBITIONS.—Whoever willfully— ‘‘(1) wrecks, derails, sets fire to, or disables a mass transportation vehicle or ferry; ‘‘(2) places or causes to be placed any biological agent or toxin for use as a weapon, destructive substance.... ...... ‘‘(8) attempts, threatens, or conspires to do any of the aforesaid acts, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, if such act is committed, or in the case of a threat or conspiracy such act would be committed, on, against, or affecting a mass transportation provider engaged in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or if in the course of committing such act, that person travels or communicates across a State line in order to commit such act, or transports materials across a State line in aid of the commission of such act. |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Thu 07/23/09 12:52 PM
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if there is no threat what is there to assess
I'm not a lawyer, I have not even looked into the patriot act in much detail, I don't know the proper interpretation of this line about 'threat assessment'. But, to my mind, "threat assessment" means you evaluate risk. If I'm approaching a strange dog, I will do a 'threat assessment' - its doesn't mean the dog has threatened me. .... Of course, this is another tangent which may not matter, if your interpretation of the section I quoted above is correct. It does look to me like making a terrorist threat is covered in the patriot act (as well as pre-existing laws). |
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Adj, when I was stating my ignorance of specifics, I didn't mean that to imply you are wrong, just that I don't see it myself. I haven't looked at section 8. As far as "threat assessments", I read that as the same as "risk assessments". Which is not about whether someone is making a threat, but would be about whether someone is at risk. An assessment of the overall 'threat' to that entity. the mistake most people make when it comes to the patriot act is they think it is a new set of laws and regulations --- it is not a lot of it is a revision of laws already on the books a couple examples sec 104 and 106 of title I |
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If so, someone is in BIG trouble in my area today. Our building - and all others on the block - was evacuated at 10 am due to a bomb threat being called in. The person left a message in someone's voice mail, saying a bomb was in the building and was set to go off at "some point" today. 
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