Oooops, just caught another of "ArmyDoc" postings, this regarding my
summary of the April 2006 NIE.

ArmyDoc: you completely and entirely misunderstood the NIE. Please go
back an read my posting. The NIE says that what you are doing in Iraq is
making the terror threat to the US WORSE -- repeat, WORSE.

Of course, I know you think you know better than all the US intelligence
agencies put together (including INSCOM, DIA, INR, etc), but at least
get the NIE right before you start referring to it!

Oceans said, "But an increasing number of senior military are now
admitting quietly and behind the scenes, that they let the country down,
in your words, they failed to protect their troops (and the country) by
resisting an unworthy cause."

Just curious...how are you privy to this 'behind the scenes' chat?

Thank you Armydoc, for your service to the USA, and for your posts
here.....I say 'ditto'!!!

Hi OleJeb!

Its the work I do: I work with people directly and indirectly involved
with policy formulation and analysis (the Middle East and international
relations, terror, etc.)

Oceans

Oceans, thank you.

If you guys need any help in formulating policy and analizing
situations.....looks like you've come to the right place.

My feelings and comments remain. God bless every veteran as well as
every soldier serving proudly in the iraq situation.
Thanks you all for sure. Freedom isnt free but you make me proud to wake
up free and AMERICAN. It just doesnt get any better than
that!!!!

Happy Memorial Day!!!!

ocean and abra. i think you know you're stuff about the middle east and
thank you for sharing them.
i'd like to hear your and everyones opinion on iraq. do you think they
have to have a civil war there before there could be peace? and do you
think that everyone should leave them alone to take cae of there own
country. and our bigest fear of w.o.m.d is over with and of course sadam
is dead. wasnt that bushs' bigest reason for us being there. thanks

What Barbie said!!!!

Roses,AB anyone else that has family over there still hugs to all.
(((((((((((((((ArmyDoc)))))))))))))))

No you guys aren't broken your tuff as hell & I would give any kind of
support I can.

Hey Oceans,

I saw your earlier question regarding the UCMJ and the troop's following
blindly of (illegal) orders. While you didn't direct it to me I wish to
give my thoughts on this.

In short and very basically, anyone who participates in torture, murder
or anything else outlined in the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC) or
violates any other law is punishable under the punitive alticles (77 -
134) of the UCMJ. If given an order by a superior to commit a crime,
the individual has an obligation to not only refuse it but to report it.
All of this is very basic and taught throughout the U.S. Armed Forces as
part of basic training. It is also required refresher training
throughout each person's career.

The issue of the military's necessity to have the troops respond to
orders without question or debate is completely different. In simple
terms, we need people to follow orders. This is especially true in
combat opeations for obvious reason. The reason people are "broken down"
(I hate this term) in basic training is to make them into a team vice a
group of individuals. Of course there are many other reasons but that
wasn't part of your question so I'll stop.

Anyway, I believe most of our troops clearly understand the difference
between right & wrong, Legal and illegal orders.
The only problem is that we are dealing with humans that in the course
of complete chaos are capable of doing their jobs well, making honest
mistakes or committing horrible crimes. We've already seen examples of
all three. The ones that commit crimes/don't follow the LOAC or UCMJ
are punished as they should be. Unfortuantely, the media feasts on
turmoil so we hear about this very small percentage of criminals or
criminal behavior more than any other aspect of the war.

OK, I'm done. It's nice to see you again.. Take care Jerry

Sparkey, nice post, shows that there is truth on both sides of a fence.
We just have to keep walking along till we find the gate.

im running tryin to find the gate or is it to late stop fighting you
fukin waZZocks.

davinci piza face was the only sane one at the time in boot camp the
rest of you were idiots.mindless stupid ignorant sheep i publicly ripped
my draught card up told rvery one to get fuked an went surfing cactus.
human beings have less brains than sheep. Stop fighting you Wazzocks.

Welcome back Kari! I missed your insightful posts, brimming with
humor!

STOP FIGHTING YOU WAZZOCKS STOP FIGHTING, STOP FIGHTING STOP FIGHTING,
STOP FIGHTING. YOU DONT GET IT DO YOU YOU FUKIN WAZZOCKS. STOP FIGHTING
,STOP FIGHTING , STOP FIGHTING STOP FIGHTING ,THERE ARE FAR MORE
IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN FIGHT SO DONT FUKIN FIGHT SIMPLE STOP
FIGHTING THERE IS NEVER EVER ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY WAR NONE NEVER
WAS NEVER WILL BE SO STOP FIGHTING YOU IGNORANT WAZZOCKS STOP FIGHTING
STOP FIGHTING HAVE YOU HEARD ME YET STOP FIGHTING !

STOP FIGHTING GET IT YOU BLOCK HEADS STOP FIGHTING
fred

Fred, is that sung to the tune of Ren and Stimpy's "happy happy, joy
joy"? Don't go getting yourself all worked up into a lather. You won't
change the world by calling it names and screaming profanity, bud. It
makes you look kinda kooky.

Thanks oceans and sparky. Been checking the posts to try and learn from
all sides of the issue without opening my mouth through my keyboard.
It's hard sometimes! lol

so you are a wazzock who wants to fight? you are an idiot . stop
fighting stop fighting stop fighting deaf ears deaf ears so go with your
stupid fears waZZocks

kariz - does ya really think if we all came together over a good toke on
the peace pipe that there wouldn't be, at least, a discussion over who
brought the best peace pipe?

Deal with it brothah! Make the worlds best peace pipe and invite 'em
all over to yo place and tell 'em like it should be.

going by the mentality of the human race there would be a fight over who
had the best pot human beings are ignorant we are the greates preadators
on the face of the earth we are worse than a pox.

laugh: I am trying to be nice and you are coming on as a
silly old kermudgeon. Stating that anyone who doesn't chant your mantra
is less than human is akin to someone else saying that a burned out pot
head has no voice as well. Neither is right. kiss kiss
hug hug lovey lovey Sheesh