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http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/TNs-New-Guns-in-Bars-Law-Takes-Effect/yDjhH7OopUa9zi5tg0-nGg.cspx?rss=59 MEMPHIS, TN - If you have a handgun carry permit, it is now legal in Tennessee to take a gun into a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served. The "Guns in Bars law" took effect Tuesday, July 14, 2009. A judge ruled Monday against blocking the law, citing restaurants and bars do have the right under the law to prohibit firearms. Jake Schorr, owner of Westy’s in Downtown Memphis, says he has no problem with licensed gun owners bringing their firearms into his bar. “What's good about the law is that permitted gun holders can't drink so if we see someone with a gun, we're not going to serve them,” said Schorr. Guns will not be allowed anywhere on Beale Street. Starting Friday, July 17, 2009, security officers will use hand wands to check patrons to ensure the entertainment district remains a gun-free zone. “Mixing alcohol, stepping on somebody's toe and then getting mad and they (people with guns) want to shoot somebody. No guns should not be allowed on Beale Street unless you're an officer,” said Michael Haro, Security Manager at Superior Restaurant on Beale. Authorities say handgun permit holders caught carrying a weapon into an establishment that has a "no guns allowed" sign posted will be given a misdemeanor citation. The Memphis Restaurant Association is having "no guns" decals made for members who have chosen to ban guns from their business. Until those decals arrive, the Association is offering members a temporary sign which they can print and post. I can see where there are going to be people who are served alcohol when they are carrying a concealed weapon...because the bar tender will not know... I can see a vision of the airport type security at the door of everywhere...<<<sarcastic statement, or maybe not as sarcastic as I think... |
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control...
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew tha most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime |
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... I have managed a bar before...and I know that in the higher level of intoxicated intelligence...that people with a gun would not be good... I just wonder how they are going to know who has a gun and who doesn't... The insurance on a bar is going to go through the roof even more now!! I bet lawyers are just flocking to TN... There are so many gun owners that are responsible, and I am not sure that they support this... |
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Here in Knoxville some bar owners are banning bringing guns into their establishments. I am very sorry but I DO NOT agree with allowing guns into bars and public places only because, today in this country we do not have sensible people and I feel it will just get out of control... that is the very reason why they need to be there the best con control law would be mandatory carry how many crimes do you think would be committed if the criminal knew that most if not all in the place might shoot them if they commit the crime I understand that thought, and I can see the rationale in it... I am not so sure I see the result the same way you do... |
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I understand that people have always brought their firearm into places and we may have never knew it. But the thing that concerns me is if you and your family are sitting some place eating and an altercation breaks out between two other people they start pulling their guns they fire at each other but, the is also a small child hit in the cross fires it just so happens to be one of your family members how would that make you feel? I agree on be allowed to have firearms in your own home or abode but, being allowed to carry out in public is just asking for danger..
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The people that have these permits are actually law abiding citizens. If they weren't they wouldn't get the permit. Its not like anyone can just go into the courthouse, and walk out with a permit.
I personally don't think someone should take a weapon in a bar if they plan to get hammered. If someone is the designated driver, and isn't consuming any alcohol, then I think its acceptable. This comes down to a persons right to self defense. The government makes law abiding citizens jump through hoop after hoop to purchase a handgun. The permit process is lengthy and more detailed than the purchase process.. A criminal with bad intentions can buy a handgun in 5 minutes. Enforce the existing laws, and leave law abiding people looking to protect themselves and their families alone. |
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ITS LIKE THE BAN ON SMOKING IN BARS AND RESTURANTS....... OK THEY DONT WANT SMOKING GUNS IN BARS AND RESTURANTS.......
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guns and alcohol don't mix. there are already bar fights and weapons make it worse. I would THINK it is up to the bar owners to allow it or not. and I don't think bar owners would want it because of the risks. If a drunk got mad and shot up the place....not good.
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime.
I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. |
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. I agree. That is why I wonder what this law is for really... I am not sure of the "agenda" behind this law, but I pretty much believe there is one... I think it would be interesting to hear what the law abiding citizens who have the concealed weapons permits think of the law... |
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In a bar situation, the type of bar trailer trash frequent, it wouldn't be a good idea to allow packin' heat.
A responsible person going to a rest. that serves alcohol ain't goin' there to tie one on. They're goin' there to eat and maybe enjoy a beer/c0cktail or 2 whilst dining. Where's the problem? |
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. I agree. That is why I wonder what this law is for really... I am not sure of the "agenda" behind this law, but I pretty much believe there is one... I think it would be interesting to hear what the law abiding citizens who have the concealed weapons permits think of the law... I am just guessing here but the law may just be a way to protect someone who happens to be in the bar but is not drinking and is carrying an otherwise legal weapon. Let's say you work in an office building and carry. You stop at the bar on the walk to the subway to let your friends know you are off work and a cop notices you have a gun. Without a car, you had no place to leave it and you are just stuck. "Having a weapon should not be a crime unless you are using it to commit a crime." This is a common interpretation of the "right to bear arms" argument. |
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. I agree. That is why I wonder what this law is for really... I am not sure of the "agenda" behind this law, but I pretty much believe there is one... I think it would be interesting to hear what the law abiding citizens who have the concealed weapons permits think of the law... I am just guessing here but the law may just be a way to protect someone who happens to be in the bar but is not drinking and is carrying an otherwise legal weapon. Let's say you work in an office building and carry. You stop at the bar on the walk to the subway to let your friends know you are off work and a cop notices you have a gun. Without a car, you had no place to leave it and you are just stuck. "Having a weapon should not be a crime unless you are using it to commit a crime." This is a common interpretation of the "right to bear arms" argument. Thank you. I believe that as well. The state I live in (MI) has a concealed weapons law. I am not familiar with it as I do not have any guns that would be concealed. I have lots to learn about here... |
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"Having a weapon should not be a crime unless you are using it to commit a crime." This is a common interpretation of the "right to bear arms" argument. 
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I absolutely believe that it is wrong for guns to be banned anywhere, bar or restaurant, alcohol or not. Criminals will be armed. Insane people will be armed. Upstanding citizens that are required to give up their weapons for the sake of "the safety of others" are left as victims when things go wrong.
I wish I could find the testimony of a woman in Texas(?) who was with her elderly parents sitting in a restaurant when a man walked in and opened fire for no apparent reason. Slaughtered a bunch of people including her father. They had just passed the no carry law so her pistol she USED to carry in her purse wasn't available. Or the one her father USED to have on his hip was home on the shelf. I don't recall the exact details but the point is, they could have, and WOULD have shot that man before he killed so many. Yes, people would have died that day at the hand of a madman, but far fewer and not her father had they been armed. She made a very compelling argument in the Congressional hearings. You don't want two pissed off drunk idiots whipping out guns and shooting each other? Neither do I! Who would? They miss, innocent people get hurt or die. So lets "remove guns, problem solved" you say? I don't know about you but I don't stand much chance of protecting myself (or other innocent bystanders) against an angry full grown male with a knife or broken bottle. I see guns as an equalizer in this messed up world of violence we live in. I wish I could go ANYWHERE in this country carrying a pistol. Just my opinion.  |
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I absolutely believe that it is wrong for guns to be banned anywhere, bar or restaurant, alcohol or not. Criminals will be armed. Insane people will be armed. Upstanding citizens that are required to give up their weapons for the sake of "the safety of others" are left as victims when things go wrong. I wish I could find the testimony of a woman in Texas(?) who was with her elderly parents sitting in a restaurant when a man walked in and opened fire for no apparent reason. Slaughtered a bunch of people including her father. They had just passed the no carry law so her pistol she USED to carry in her purse wasn't available. Or the one her father USED to have on his hip was home on the shelf. I don't recall the exact details but the point is, they could have, and WOULD have shot that man before he killed so many. Yes, people would have died that day at the hand of a madman, but far fewer and not her father had they been armed. She made a very compelling argument in the Congressional hearings. You don't want two pissed off drunk idiots whipping out guns and shooting each other? Neither do I! Who would? They miss, innocent people get hurt or die. So lets "remove guns, problem solved" you say? I don't know about you but I don't stand much chance of protecting myself (or other innocent bystanders) against an angry full grown male with a knife or broken bottle. I see guns as an equalizer in this messed up world of violence we live in. I wish I could go ANYWHERE in this country carrying a pistol. Just my opinion. The opinion you express here is also shared by many who believe the provision of the Constitution that says "Congress shall make no law" regarding the bill of rights means exactly that ... that laws restricting one's right to bear arms, freedom of speech, press, etc, are completely off limits. Some of the guns laws, like the one about bars, falls into the category of the freedom of speech where someone yells "fire" in a theater just for fun. There always seems to be an exception for everything. |
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Guns in bars... drunks packing a piece, oh my.
 Glad I don't go to bars. |
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. It seems to me that if 10% of the people on board those planes were carrying guns, they would have gone down anyway killing all. I don't think planes are built to withstand a fire fight in the air are they? Just curious. I think the owners of the bars should be allowed to decide whether their willing to take the risks. |
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It sounds like it's going to be like the Wild West saloons again.
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