My sister went to the hospital to have surgery because she had tumors growing on tumors in her body. The doctors said that she would die, that their was no hope. Well, my family knew better, and we prayed hard. My sister came out of it just fine and she is back to living life. Simple fact people, THERE IS A GOD!!!! My sister was healed. People suffer, animals suffer, that's life!! We do not have the mind of God. He is in control of our lives and every breath you take. He can flick you off this earth in a heartbeat if He wanted to. It amazes me that people who want to talk about God allowing suffering are the same people who are for mudering babies through abortion. Which is a proven fact that it is very painful for the baby. But, then again why would anyone care about a babies life when they have no belief in God? Here's the deal, everyone will die, you can't change that. After death i guess we will see who's right.

We suffer every day, all of us.. Its a part of life.


My son had to have open heart surgery recently.


Why?

I believe it was a blessing from God in order to give him an extra opportunity to look at life, and appreciate it even more than he already does, and anything else that went along with his journey.


I dont get anyone who thinks God doesnt allow pain and suffering. Yes he does, every day, to the best people.

God allowed Jesus to suffer. He didnt just create the world, and then said, "whelp Jesus, nothin I can do about that." He can do anything, he just chooses NOT TO.

These are learning lessons, we must crawl before we walk.

We're all mortal. Innocent people die and suffer, and people who do evil **** are wealthy and healthy. That's the world, I mean would be the point of life if everything was perfect we'd be bored to death, you wouldn't have to work for anything or have any motivation. Suffering is part of life just like joy. Many young kids with terminal illnesses still feel grateful they got a chance to live. Lou Gherig was dying and he said he was luckiest man on earth. Certainly people themselves have caused alot of suffering to each other. Murderers, wars, religious persecution, wrongful imprisonment. Just cause we can't control our health doesn't mean there's no God. Everything happens for a reason.

Wow Eljay! What happened that turned you so nasty.

Face it, the Biblical account of God is a farce. Such a God would be far beneath Hitler on the humane list.

Your explantion makes absolutely no sense at all and you have the audacity to call Boo's comments "idiodic logic"?



We need to suffer to learn something?

What would suffering from a disease teach us other than the FACT that God is one mean bastard?

If we recognize that the world is dog-eat-dog what can we learn from that?

Only one thing! That whoever created this dog-eat-dog world has no sense of compassion. That's the LESSON my friend!

Suffering makes people better? Pft.

That's not even logical let alone wise. And God is supposed to be wise?

Yeah right.

By the way whoever mentioned the book of JOB better go read it again. God takes up a BET with Satan in that story. It's a story about a God who BETS with the devil, or has something to prove to the devil. That's got to be the stupidest book in the whole Bible.

Allowed Jesus to suffer?

I don't what anyone says this has got to be the most insane story every claimed.

Talk about nonsense.

There are so many problems with the idea that the God of Abraham sent Jesus to die for the sins of man that it's truly amazing that anyone gives this story the slightest bit of crediblity.

First off, the very idea that God would need to do this to "beat the Devil" is an insane notion. That would mean that God had no choice and he was at the mercy of the devil. The devil would have been a threat to God in order for God to have done something this desperate.

Moreover, the story makes no sense anyway. God commands people in the Old Testament to stone heathens and blasphemers to death. He also commands them that they shall place no other God BEFORE him! A heathen is simply anyone who rejects the word of God.

Then he supposedly sends his only begotten son into that same crowd to have his son DENOUNCE his teachings?

The God of Abraham taught that people should judge each other and stone sinners to death. (after all, how could they stone sinners to death if they don't first judge them to be sinners?)

Jesus taught that we should not judge others. He also demanded that only those who are without sin should cast the first stone. But the Bible itself holds that no man is without sin. So this would be an utter rejection of stoning sinners to death. Jesus totally DENOUNCED the very teachings and commandments of the God of Abraham.

The God of Abraham taught that people should seek revenge and vengeance as in an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.

Jesus denounced revenge and vengeance and instead taught men to forgive their trespassers and turn the other cheek.

The God of Abraham commanded we put no other God BEFORE Him!

Jesus taught that no one gets to the Father but THROUGH HIM!

Clearly Jesus was a heathen and committing blaspheme based on the very teachings and commandments of the God of Abraham.

If the Jew then crucified Jesus they were only doing precisely as the God of Abraham had COMMANDED that they MUST DO!

The whole story is insane!

God would need to be one hell of a sadist to create a plot like that. Not to mention that he'd need to ether be totally insane or suffering from Alzheimer's disease.

The idea that the God of Abraham gave his only begotten son to pay for sins of man is an insane idea that doesn't even make sense within the context of the biblical story.

Besides who would have been paid?

Satan? That would have meant that Satan had God in a bad way and God was desperate to get out of that situation.

What makes more sense would be that the sacrifice of Jesus would have been a blood sacrifice to appease God himself. (since the God of Abraham was indeed appeased by blood sacrifices) But that only implies that God is some kind of sadist who is appeased by such gross atrocities.

The whole story is sick.

Any God that lame would be a very poor excuse for a God.

I'd tell you what I would like to do to someone who did such a thing.

Doctors don't know for a fact that anyone will die for sure, nor do we for that matter, however I don't' see that proving the existence of got because your sister got well on her own, or because of your prayers. If that was the case why do others who don't pray to anyone get better and others who pray like crazy loose their loved one. If that makes you feel better to believe it I certainly would not deny you that, but it doesn't appear to prove anything to me. I am glad you sister is well. By the way I would be more apt to believe that we as humans have the ability to cause healing with our own abilities. Meaning if you and your family believed she would be well it came to pass by your effort, not a god. Of course I don't PRETEND to be sure of that either.

As for the abortion thing, why do you presume to know the intentions of others? And life is not a contest to the finish to see who is right and wrong about a god to me. I doesn't give Christians the right to dictate the lives of others because the THINK there is a god that will punish some and reward others.

You don't read well do you Eljay. If I am caring for the pup, it's obvious someone neglected their responsibility. DUH!! And where the hell did I expect anyone to follow my logic. Who the hell are you anyway?.. You who believes in a sky daddy, who takes no more responsibility for what he creates then many of the daddies here on earth.

So spare me your self righteous bull.... I am taking care of this animal, obviously not your god. And no I would not consider that your god directed the dog to me. I live in reality.

I'll take my simple logic over your fantacy any day.

Interesting how some people insult,mock,denounce,and hate the Christian religion and are surprised when God wants nothing to do with them.You reap what you sow.You really think God is going to want anything to do with your life?Not at all.You are on your own in this world and all the evil it has to offer which has plenty to go around.

Oh so your god is petty as well as cruel?

Sorry, nature explains suffering just fine without a king of suffering.

Truly.

Not only does the doctrine describe a petty God, but anyone who knows the history of Christianity should not be the least bit surprised why people find it so disgusting.

Historically the Christians have murdered more innocent people in the name of Jesus Christ than can be counted.

The religion was pushed onto the people via the sword. Pagans were murdered in the name of Jesus Christ. Their temples were destroyed. Even scientists and alchemists were murdered by the Christians.

For 300 years they burned over 60,000 to 100,000 innocent midwives as witchs in the name of Jesus Christ. Or was that in the name of Satan? Or does it even matter?

Even today they are bigoted against same-gender lovers as though they are the work of Satan or some such nonsense.

It's an ugly bigoted religion HISTORICALLY, and continues to be so to this very day.

No one should be surprised why so many people find it to be so disgusting.

The 'god' of abraham comes in more than one incarnation... However I do not just say that the Christ followers are any more blood thirsty than the Mohamad followers... What 'GOD' would demand the beheading of any that do not follow a particular way?

If youve followed religion to any extent you must know by now that both Christians and Muslims worship the same 'god'... The lineage leads to Abraham on both.

Both follow a book (or books) that have obviously been twisted and rewritten for agendas that have nothing to do with 'GOD' and a lot to do with 'control' by a select few.

and here I thought, god's love/ a parent's love is unconditional. Guess there are strings attached after all.

and fox mange has what to do with whether or not god exists?

I'm a dozy cow, remember, what do I know.. lmao. You really got me there, wasn't sure if I got you so flustered that you really meant dizzy cow, but you had me laughing so hard. Then I realized it's probably a saying that was not of my generation. Not going to start with you in here, I worked too hard to post to have it bumped off because of a few harsh words.

Anyway Thomas, not all Christians are obnoxious, so though i sound like I despise Christians I really don't. It's the religion itself that I find so distasteful and hard to understand why anyone would follow it much less use it to dismiss others. Anyway I just got emotional watching this animal suffer and those were my thoughts like them or not.

I just could not imagine there could possibly be a god with the suffering that goes on in the world even suffering that is not at the hands of another human being. Humans didn't create mange that I know of.

Well I can't tell you about either one frankly, not familiar with either. It appears only some have that direct connection with a god I don't see or hear. But it would be nice to believe in unconditional love, even though I rarely see it in reality.

You don't get what I am saying at all do you? And thank you for suggesting I reap what I sow because I actually have quite a good life from being considerate of others, even with out believing in a god, so if I am punished by your god simply because I dont' beleive he/she exists, it wouldn't be a god I would want much to do with anyway. But I know you get such a kick out of the idea that I might be punished for what you percieve to be sins.

I haven't lived a good life but I didn't have a good life when I did believe in god so it makes not difference. My life got better when I stopped believing in God. It's not perfect, but I sure as hell am not being punished for not believing.

You know already what the bible reads. I didnt refer to any "beat the devil" thoery. What I said has nothing to do with any of that.

Im not trying to recruit you abra, Im just speaking about my belief, and from the point of view of someone who believes in God as a christian.

Im sorry if you never understood the bible, or what it says. You have to understand what was changed in translation, as well as translation that are not absoloutely literal of every meaning. It could be parable. This is not about suffering because someone was a sinner, nor did I say anything like that.

God never asked Jesus to die on the cross, Jesus chose his fate, God just knew about it.

Yes People believe you cannot get to God any way except THROUGH Jesus, because they must simply recognise him as the son. Thats all...

ANYWAY.. I dont care if you ever believe in MY God, I am just stating my belief.

I dont know what your belief is, but maybe you should boldly post that and see what people think. That would be interesting.