The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward
and obtain a "Z visa" and _ after paying fees and a $5,000 fine _
ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to
their home countries first.

They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that
would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin
the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security
improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were
completed.

A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those
so-called "triggers" had been activated.

Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years,
with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become
U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but
would be required to leave for a year in between each time.

Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay
and work indefinitely in the U.S.

In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift
from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward
one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated
skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are
needed to end "chain migration" that harms the economy, while some
Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair system that rips
families apart.

Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a
green card _ except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.

New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born
parents into the country.

That's probably as close as we'll get to an immigration law

but I see nothing that mentions them paying taxes on money they've
earned

and as they clog up the emergency rooms and run away from the
bills..then what?.
the government is playing a shell game with this issue..

The so-called comprehensive immigration reform bill that the US govt. is
trying to force down the throats of American citizens,and legal
immigrants pisses me off to no end.Its nothing more than traitorous and
treasonous,and will be one of the major factors in the downfall of this
country.Most of our politicians are "new world order"people,and they
don't give a damn about the sovereignty of this country,regardless of
which party it is.The majority of the citizenry is against it ,
including such organizations as the American Legion,of which I am
affiliated.Anyone who believes that the only way our borders can be
secured is through amnesties and guest-worker programs is a total
idiot.We can't afford it anymore.Our natural resourses can't handle the
amounts of people these clowns want to let in. I'm all for controlled
legal immigration.I'm totally against illegal immigration,no matter what
country they're trying to sneak in from.Attrition through enforcement is
the only answer.
Now ask me how I really feel about it.

total agreement with you budman...just another way to kill the middle
class

My Immigration Plan

1. Build walls on Northern and Southern borders
2. Punish anyone who hires illegals
3. Illegalize "sanctuary" city laws
4. Deport any illegal discovered in the country by any law enforcement
branch.
5. Only children born in the US to two US citizen parents should be
considered US citizens.
6. Improve and simplify the immigration process
a) Require that all immigrants read and write English at a 12th grade
level
b) Require that all immigrants have no criminal record
c) Require that all immigrants have a high school diploma or equivilent
d) White collar professionals should receive immigration preference
e) Exceptions should be made, so that the US can offer sactuarary to
anyone who is persecuted in their nation of origin or at the very least
a reasonable attempt to find a sancuary nation should be made. Refugees
should not be sent back to their nation of origin without a good faith
attempt to find them sanctuary. All refuges MUST contact a US Embassy
to begin processing or surrender to police within 24 hours of entering
the country, so that they can be processed through the system. Any
refugee found in violation of this law would be deported to their
country of origin.

you know i was watching the .. i believe he's a mexican comedian on
comedy central and he was talking about how they should build a border
on canada because now that they are proposing the wall a bunch of "
terrorist" or whatev plans they've captured them in mexico before they
got to the boarder and he was saying how mexican's will just be like
hey man i think he's a terrorist.. he doesn't speak spanish.. and
they'll rat them out because now with terrorism is coming the harder
laws on illegals and they dont' want to get caught hahaha it was super
funny when he told it.. obviously not as great when i did.. is his name
jose muneroz... ( ??? ) he's the big comedian anywayas though it was
great stuff! laugh... just to humor me.. bc it was great

They tried an amnesty program back in the 80's and then the floodgates
really opened. If they do it this time it will only exacerbate the
situtation. People come in illegally, hoping to some day get a program
like this and become legal. I partially agree with Spider about
citizenship. I think if you have one US Citizen for a parent then you
should get citizenship. JMO. I also degree with DaVinci that they are
doing everything they can to destroy the middle class. I live in an area
with a high number of illegals. Nothing is ever done about it. They tax
the emergency rooms and we're building schools right and left.
This is a nation of immigrants and always has been but if you want to
come here, go through channels and do it legally. Follow the system we
already have. Of course if our current laws had been enforced we
wouldn't have this problem anyhow.

Carlos Mencia?

fabulous!!! i have no idea where i pulled jose mov.. whatever from


carlox mencia is correct thanks!

building a fence up north would be exremely hard... There isnt a way to
really do it, epesically with the Great Lakes in the way...as of right
now, any one can walk in to the woods of, say Minnesota, from the woods
of wenipeg or ontario.And since they sound like the people directly
below them, they can get away with it.. without the bloody and aye
remarks... But used to be the border was easy to get to canada and also
here... I dont know if its changed.

Now the Southern fence can be built easyly...and just look at all those
countrys below Us...

sorry -the question... Im not for it. we need a stronger law

Because the stated goal of several terrorist organizations is to see a
mushroom cloud over one or more US cities, I think that we need border
walls, North and South, regardless of cost or difficulty. I understand
that the great lakes will be an issue, but if the rest of the border is
walled off, it will make monitoring traffic through the great lakes
easier.

Import some Chinese to build a great wall of Texas? Outsourcing at its
finest. Then the Chinese can stop the Hispanics.

The wall issue boggles the mind, over a thousand miles of fence, who
would watch it to see if it was cut somewhere? I think we have to go
with a wall. With luck we can complete it in a couple centuries. I just
love grand projects. Pretty soon all the Chinese would speak Spanish and
English, while the Mexicans, well the Mexicans would still speak
Spanish. That was supposed to be light humor in case anyone missed it.

The immigration bill proposed had some good points. I don't think they
covered everything, but they are working on it pretty well.

Im not entirely happy with this new bill either, but it is not a total
amnesty like the one of the 80's. I believe we are running out of time
though and this bill seems like a good compromise. I have never treated
this issue with prejudice and it would fairley give the illegals that
are currently here to a chance to become legal while instituting a way
to monitor further illegal that may come here after the Z cards are
distributed. I will support this myself, because I think it is the best
we will get, and if we wait much longer we will end up with nothing.
However when I vote in this election I will take the candidates position
on this bill into account. I mean senators and house representatives
alike. I have followed and pushed on this for years and I know exactly
where my reps have and do stand on the issue. I would assume all of you
do as well.
Its not over yet though so dont let your attention waiver just yet.
Drive through and finish the job, thats what I will be doing.

so they have to pay for the visa, something they dont have to do now,
and a 5000 dollar fine, most of which will not have it, so heres the
million plus dollar question,

although it sounds like a good comprimise on both sides, do you really
think that it will ever be worth the paper its written on?

my opinion is that, more changes will make it weaker while in "comitee".
even so, dont think too many illegals are going to turn themselves in
and then fork out the cash.

so sounded good, but another total waste of time and energy and the US
taxpayers are again flippin the bill for.


doc

but what else are we going to get?
Soon their children will be legal voters, and the number will increase
steadily from then on and soon we will have nothing and no chance of
ever getting it back. I read the bill, and even though it doesnt
accomplsh everything I wanted I think it is good enough and fair for
those that want to become citizen. Now we need more minutemen along the
border to keep the gates from being thrown wide open for every Tom,
****, and Harry to run over and grab a Z card.

well i think that the 5000 was a way of making it realy ineffective,
cannon fodder so to speak, want to make it at least feasable, then
eliminate or decrease the amount to something that they can afford to
pay, and are willing to pay. another - no contest would be the head of
the household returning to the country of orign- how many guys are
willing to leave the family behind here while they run back to where
ever they came from, sounds good, sounds like their taking a stand, but
in fact their just doing the smoke and mirror thing to try and pacify
all their constituents.

my opinion.

I just feel nothing at this point is going to have positive
results.....the govt. has run America's head up it's own ass! Why do
they even waste our time PRETENDING to be trying to provide solutions?
When was the last time, under this administration, have we seen any
viable "acts of congress" that have offered a secure and intelligent
resolution?

they hand out crumbs to give the illusion that they are doing something
in Wash..
both parties should be run out of town