Is truth true because we believe it or do we believe it because it is true?


If everyone thinks something is true, and it is not true, is it true or not?

If not, how would you know?

There is only one truth....mathematics.

How can you be so sure that mathematics is true? I'm personally convinced that much of it is nothing more than the whim of man.

Sure, it's pretty easy when your talking about 2 + 2 = 4, but what about the idea that infinity comes in different sizes?

I personaly believe that to be a load of bull, yet this is what modern mathematicians are claiming.

I think mathematics is just as questionable as everything else we think we know.

True knowledge of physical reality provides us with an absolute foundation for working out the truth for ourselves (to prevent us from being deceived by cultural myths and past customs).The central point to emphasise is that the solution is deduced using the accepted rules of science - most importantly Occam's Razor / Principle of Simplicity and Metaphysics / Dynamic Unity of Reality.This forces us to describe reality in terms of one substance, Space, and its wave motions that form matter

Pure mathematics is truth.

The idea about the size of infinity is just that, an idea or theory. It is not proven.

L. Ron Hubbard fan???

Murphy's law is true.

When we see things as being separate and discrete (like the human body) this is an illusion (naive real).In Reality matter (and thus all people) are wave structures of the universe, vibrating / resonating with everything in the Space around you.We are all subtly interconnected to all other matter in the observable universe because we are universal creatures (which is why we can see those stars spread across the universe, because we are a part of them, they a part of us).Thus seeing our bodies as discrete and separate objects is an an illusion of our limited senses (as representations of the mind).

This is the enlightenment that mystics / spiritualists and great scientists like Albert Einstein realised.

It doesn't need to be proven. It follows from the foundational axioms of mathematics. Therefore, either infinity comes in different sizes or mathematics is false.

Take your choice.

By understanding matter's (our) true spatially extended nature we can easily understand the necessary connection between things existing in space (imagine spherical waves in space flowing through one another).This explains how the Earth can orbit the Sun, how we can see the Stars in the night sky, i.e. these 'forces of light and gravity' that extend across the observable universe.

From this knowledge of necessary connection we can then solve the problems of science, of physics, logic and mathematics, philosophy, metaphysics, theology and our evolution and ecology.

Infinity is infinity. If you remove a part from infinity or add a part to infinity, still what remains is infinity. And Truth remains the truth in mathematics.

Knowledge of the Wave Structure of Matter in Space can provide us with a 'source code' from which we can deduce the truth as a foundation for acting wisely.

Clearly humanity now faces many problems caused by myths and customs that result in endless conflict and harm.Thus knowing the truth about physical reality is critically important for our future survival on our fragile and beautiful little planet

Very well put Mirror. I just hope we can find the truth before we destroy each other and the planet.

With all due respect it sounds to me like you're speaking about a layman's intuitive view of infinity, not the formal mathematical construct.

This wouldn't surprise me as most people aren't even aware that formal mathematics demands that infinity comes in distinctly different cardinal sizes. This arises from Georg Cantor's Set Theory and his construct of the axiom of the existence of the empty set.

So when you say that mathematics is truth, I have to wonder if you truly know what formal mathematics actually has to say about these things.

Truth is different for every single human. Hence, each of us, every day, can look into the mirror, and honestly say, "Hey, good looking!".

You're right. You win.

I am just a layman talking about mathematics. I was speaking of 1+1=2. When you start talking about all these theories of infinity, I believe the pea brains that humans have cannot comprehend infinity.

is

or is not

belief matters not

(except in Boolean)

Truth, is a extremely hard to find commodity, and I believe its on the endangered list to completely disappear.

WE ALL NEED to make sure that we PRESERVE IT!

So that our children can have it to use and believe in as we once did here.

Size is relative. But if you want to name us as your reference point, then infinity does come in infinite sizes. The reason this is true is because there are more than 4 dimensions in the true reality.