Topic: Liberalism on life support.
Winx's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:35 PM



I don't know the ratings or anything

but this crossed my mind a lot lately. I (personally) am more conservative...but I'm liberal enough to know others have different opinions. it seem to me that some liberals are only liberal if you agree with them.

just a thought


"it seem to me that some liberals are only liberal if you agree with them."

what


what part didn't ya get hon?


I'm tired. Rough day. lol I didn't get it.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:36 PM

Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work.


What a prejudice statement. Not all people who need help are lazy. Not all people who need help are non contributing to our society.

Not cool at all.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:37 PM




I don't know the ratings or anything

but this crossed my mind a lot lately. I (personally) am more conservative...but I'm liberal enough to know others have different opinions. it seem to me that some liberals are only liberal if you agree with them.

just a thought


"it seem to me that some liberals are only liberal if you agree with them."

what


what part didn't ya get hon?


I'm tired. Rough day. lol I didn't get it.


lol welcome to my world. I just see some liberals (by definition they want freedom for all points of views) that are only that when if they agree with the point of view that suits them.

adj4u's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:37 PM




To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world.

I guess we may as well blame them for it all.

I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial.


now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some


yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we

glasses

:angel:


Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue.


maybe maybe

but most of it was hindsight

and there are many ways to present the facts

hateful is one way

Winx's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:38 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 06/12/09 10:08 PM

It seems to me from the news I have been reading that liberalism is getting more and more unpopular and dying a slow death.I keep reading of liberals newspapapers either closing or losing millions of dollars.Liberal websites like MSNBC are losing viewers at staggering rates.News stations like CNN are also dealing with low ratings.You can count the liberal talk radio stations on one hand.

Conservative radio stations are thriving.Talk show hosts like Rush limbah,Dan savage,and Mark lavin frequently get millions of listeners.Newstations like Fox news are not losing ratings but gaining them.A recent poll found for the first time the majority of Americans are pro life.After recent elections in Europe many countries that were far left have switched from liberals to Conservitives.They voted overwhelmingly for Conservitives.The same thing is going on in Canada.


People around the world are fed up with this liberal BS.


The Liberals are not dying out. They're still ahead.

New stations are probably getting low ratings because the weather's changed. People that aren't worried turn the TVs off and go outside.


Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:39 PM





To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world.

I guess we may as well blame them for it all.

I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial.


now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some


yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we

glasses

:angel:


Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue.


maybe maybe

but most of it was hindsight

and there are many ways to present the facts

hateful is one way


Yea, I guess. I don't hate so I would not know.

geektothetenth's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:39 PM

Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work.


It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended.

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:39 PM

Sure, ummm who's the leader of the Republican Party right now?....yup. Recent CNN poll found almost half of republicans and right leaning independents have no idea who their captain is. Let's go Jindal...hahaha (though in actuality I believe he is very smart and capable but man that was one poor performance, was he talking to a child?)

First it was the conservatives complaining all the print media is liberal....probably fair point to make, but perhaps it's because more liberal minded people go into journalism. Print media is an aging dinosaur with the internet. So if print media is liberal, and all print media seems to be waning...hmmm.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

it's that republicans are moving further right, (not surprising considering they feel backed into a corner after losing in spectacular fashion).

Yes in Europe people may have switched, much like the US switched in 2008. Guess what happened, the economy tanked, people were unhappy, they voted for the other guy.....same thing happened here, we just happened to have conservative leadership at the time and they had leftist leadership.

All of this says very little other than, liberals are more content now because they wield the power and conservatives are getting upset and thus watching more news to make their arguments, they are becoming more active then they have been when they had the power. It's the have nots that feel pressed into a corner who are going to fight back.



Although you made some good points and you are well informed I must disagree with you.There is no doubt in anyones mind that that the media in general is left leaning.Just look at how they treated Obama compared to Mccain and Bush.There has been many polls that showed the media has been very soft and avoided any hard questions for Obama.It also showed that he was given far more positive publicity than any president in the last 20 years.Look at how they buried his ties with domestic terrorist,and his relationship with reverend wright.The people heard about that from the Conservitive talk radio shows.

You mentioned the Republicans moving to the right when they were never left to begin with.It is the general public that is moving to the right and even the world in general.Europe has been in the left zone for nearly a hundred years.

I am also not buying that because you have a Republican in office the economy tanks.Some of the biggest records as far as job growth,world growth,and world wealth in general happened under George bush jr.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:42 PM


Sure, ummm who's the leader of the Republican Party right now?....yup. Recent CNN poll found almost half of republicans and right leaning independents have no idea who their captain is. Let's go Jindal...hahaha (though in actuality I believe he is very smart and capable but man that was one poor performance, was he talking to a child?)

First it was the conservatives complaining all the print media is liberal....probably fair point to make, but perhaps it's because more liberal minded people go into journalism. Print media is an aging dinosaur with the internet. So if print media is liberal, and all print media seems to be waning...hmmm.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

it's that republicans are moving further right, (not surprising considering they feel backed into a corner after losing in spectacular fashion).

Yes in Europe people may have switched, much like the US switched in 2008. Guess what happened, the economy tanked, people were unhappy, they voted for the other guy.....same thing happened here, we just happened to have conservative leadership at the time and they had leftist leadership.

All of this says very little other than, liberals are more content now because they wield the power and conservatives are getting upset and thus watching more news to make their arguments, they are becoming more active then they have been when they had the power. It's the have nots that feel pressed into a corner who are going to fight back.



Although you made some good points and you are well informed I must disagree with you.There is no doubt in anyones mind that that the media in general is left leaning.Just look at how they treated Obama compared to Mccain and Bush.There has been many polls that showed the media has been very soft and avoided any hard questions for Obama.It also showed that he was given far more positive publicity than any president in the last 20 years.Look at how they buried his ties with domestic terrorist,and his relationship with reverend wright.The people heard about that from the Conservitive talk radio shows.

You mentioned the Republicans moving to the right when they were never left to begin with.It is the general public that is moving to the right and even the world in general.Europe has been in the left zone for nearly a hundred years.

I am also not buying that because you have a Republican in office the economy tanks.Some of the biggest records as far as job growth,world growth,and world wealth in general happened under George bush jr.


LOL the only wealth growth during Bush was he and his cronies...lol

The republicans only hated the press so much because they just kept GETTING CAUGHT rofl

adj4u's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:43 PM






To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world.

I guess we may as well blame them for it all.

I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial.


now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some


yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we

glasses

:angel:


Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue.


maybe maybe

but most of it was hindsight

and there are many ways to present the facts

hateful is one way


Yea, I guess. I don't hate so I would not know.


insert zipping mouth shut emoticon here

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:45 PM


Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work.


It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended.



How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:45 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 06/12/09 09:49 PM
"There has been many polls that showed the media has been very soft and avoided any hard questions for Obama.It also showed that he was given far more positive publicity than any president in the last 20 years"

Polls of who conservatives?

LOL, I saw his interviews and debates. He was asked the same "hard" questions McCain had and he answered them better than McCain.

If we had to go with Obama's associations than we had to go with McCains associations and he was associated with Abortion clinic bomber supporters and white supremacists so we would have had to go there too.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:47 PM
now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs what

kmj4jd's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:48 PM



Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work.


It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended.



How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured.


Technically the constitution does not protect the citizens of the US. It applies to the sovereign people who reside in the particular states which make up the nation.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:50 PM

now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs what


I remember when you were arguing that with folks, how did that turn out?

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:51 PM


now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs what


I remember when you were arguing that with folks, how did that turn out?


I have always stated I don't think they are accurate...but I know fanta and several others posted polls about BHO's approval ratings etc...and people swore by them.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:51 PM



Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work.


It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended.



How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured.


None of those statistics are verifiable. They are propaganda.

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:52 PM

now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs what


I don't need a poll to tell me anything.It was obvious when the media was kissing the ground Obama walked on everywhere he went.I remember seeing Mc cain get off the plane and there would be two photographers there.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:52 PM







To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world.

I guess we may as well blame them for it all.

I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial.


now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some


yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we

glasses

:angel:


Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue.


maybe maybe

but most of it was hindsight

and there are many ways to present the facts

hateful is one way


Yea, I guess. I don't hate so I would not know.


insert zipping mouth shut emoticon here


Why you might let slip a hatred?laugh

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/12/09 09:54 PM


now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs what


I don't need a poll to tell me anything.It was obvious when the media was kissing the ground Obama walked on everywhere he went.I remember seeing Mc cain get off the plane and there would be two photographers there.


That wasn't love it was sensationalism. The first viable black candidate for president was historical news. No news organization wanted to miss that.