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Sure, ummm who's the leader of the Republican Party right now?....yup. Recent CNN poll found almost half of republicans and right leaning independents have no idea who their captain is. Let's go Jindal...hahaha (though in actuality I believe he is very smart and capable but man that was one poor performance, was he talking to a child?) First it was the conservatives complaining all the print media is liberal....probably fair point to make, but perhaps it's because more liberal minded people go into journalism. Print media is an aging dinosaur with the internet. So if print media is liberal, and all print media seems to be waning...hmmm. http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx it's that republicans are moving further right, (not surprising considering they feel backed into a corner after losing in spectacular fashion). Yes in Europe people may have switched, much like the US switched in 2008. Guess what happened, the economy tanked, people were unhappy, they voted for the other guy.....same thing happened here, we just happened to have conservative leadership at the time and they had leftist leadership. All of this says very little other than, liberals are more content now because they wield the power and conservatives are getting upset and thus watching more news to make their arguments, they are becoming more active then they have been when they had the power. It's the have nots that feel pressed into a corner who are going to fight back. Although you made some good points and you are well informed I must disagree with you.There is no doubt in anyones mind that that the media in general is left leaning.Just look at how they treated Obama compared to Mccain and Bush.There has been many polls that showed the media has been very soft and avoided any hard questions for Obama.It also showed that he was given far more positive publicity than any president in the last 20 years.Look at how they buried his ties with domestic terrorist,and his relationship with reverend wright.The people heard about that from the Conservitive talk radio shows. You mentioned the Republicans moving to the right when they were never left to begin with.It is the general public that is moving to the right and even the world in general.Europe has been in the left zone for nearly a hundred years. I am also not buying that because you have a Republican in office the economy tanks.Some of the biggest records as far as job growth,world growth,and world wealth in general happened under George bush jr. I did not say it was the conservative leadership that tanked the economy (although their insistence on deregulation did not help, Greenspan admits as much, he has said that he was wrong in trusting the bankers to regulate themselves). The economy tanked and people are going to blame who's in power, if a democrat was in power when this happened I fully expect the democrats to get owned in the election. That's all, I'm not placing the blame just explaining what probably happened. Yes the print media has a liberal bias, perhaps it's because liberals tend to believe in a larger world view and that pushes them into the occupation. If the conservatives wanted to, they could turn out great journalists and own newspapers too. It's like if I sign up for a triathlon and decided not to train, and to eat twinkies all day and then on race day I'm complaining that everybody else is in shape. The numbers based on the analysis shows that democrats and left leaning people have not changed their views on abortion. It's that more moderate Republicans have moved further right. And yes, some of us liberals (I consider myself a left leaning moderate) did know about Rev. Wright and the Weather Underground. Didn't change my vote, I actually like McCain, I consider him a hero and find it distasteful when people compare him to Bush. McCain is a war hero who sacrificed greatly for the USA, Bush was a trust fund baby raised with a silver spoon. If his Granddaddy wasn't Prestcott Bush and his Daddy wasn't the President, there's no way he'd have been president. He was a mediocre student, granted admission to a college through legacy admissions, he ran a failed baseball team and a failed oil exploration company, he disappeared from his Champagne Corp military service. He's an example of power begets power. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama were raised by single mothers in tough circumstances. They've been poor and had to earn everything they had. They found a way out of a tough upbringing to become the president...is that not the American Dream. A dream of opportunity to all? |
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Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work. It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended. How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured. None of those statistics are verifiable. They are propaganda. I can see debating with you is going to be a waste of time so I am not going to bother.I found at least 10 websites right off the bat that support my claim.I was wrong that it is just a mere 10 billion instead of 15 billion. http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/california_immigration.html is. A study done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) found the cost of illegal immigrants in California to amount to $10.5 billion annually. This figure includes the cost of incarceration, health care, and education of illegal immigrants. |
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Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work. It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended. How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured. Go check McCain's previous voting records on this subject. He denied it in the elections but he did vote for mass amnesty. And president Bush wasn't exactly shutting down the borders either....the reason...latino votes. I don't deny those numbers, I want the borders shut down too. My parents came through the legal process, it's unfair to just grant amnesty when others are going through the legal channels and doing it the right way. Mexico needs massive reform, if people think the US government is corrupt, they haven't seen what goes on in other countries. |
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Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work. It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended. How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured. None of those statistics are verifiable. They are propaganda. I can see debating with you is going to be a waste of time so I am not going to bother.I found at least 10 websites right off the bat that support my claim.I was wrong that it is just a mere 10 billion instead of 15 billion. http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/california_immigration.html is. A study done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) found the cost of illegal immigrants in California to amount to $10.5 billion annually. This figure includes the cost of incarceration, health care, and education of illegal immigrants. And it is still not completely accurate it is a guesstimate still. |
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To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world. I guess we may as well blame them for it all. I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial. now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we   Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue. maybe maybe but most of it was hindsight and there are many ways to present the facts hateful is one way Yea, I guess. I don't hate so I would not know. insert zipping mouth shut emoticon here Why you might let slip a hatred?  no i might point out you said the hatfull things said were true thus showing equal hatred but i wasn't going to say it but you asked  |
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Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work. It's really a tiny minority of people who abuse welfare, there are lots of people on welfare who are looking for jobs, who are trying, who are hard working decent people who need a little help for a short period of time. Funny when people point out the tiny majority that do bilk the system....funny that the example seems to always include a mexican, latino, or black person. Yeah let's punitively punish them so that we can push their kids (who are innocent in this and just born into the circumstance that they're in) to the back of the opportunity line. We should lift up those who are trying to break the bonds of generational poverty. We should try harder to find the abusers of the system and kick them off of it but not at the expense of those who are using the system in the manner it was intended. How about California's annual cost of 15 billion towards health,education,and welfare for illegal immigrants?Lets not even mention New york and most of the leftist running the East coast states.I'm sure the costs of the illegal's in the United states runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars always justified with the liberal agenda. Conservatives want illegal's deported and borders secured. Go check McCain's previous voting records on this subject. He denied it in the elections but he did vote for mass amnesty. And president Bush wasn't exactly shutting down the borders either....the reason...latino votes. Bush and I actually agreed on immigration issues but not on anything else. |
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any poll can be set up to get the result that they want
they can ask leading questions they can take the pole in preferred areas to name a couple |
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To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world. I guess we may as well blame them for it all. I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial. now that is generalizing...just as saying all liberals. at least i mentioned some yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue. maybe maybe but most of it was hindsight and there are many ways to present the facts hateful is one way Yea, I guess. I don't hate so I would not know. insert zipping mouth shut emoticon here Why you might let slip a hatred? no i might point out you said the hatfull things said were true thus showing equal hatred but i wasn't going to say it but you asked But isn't hatred the way you put it out there, not the information used? I was not being hateful. |
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I am off to bed, so good night everyone.
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Fri 06/12/09 10:12 PM
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i said
yeah you never heard anyone spouting hateful things about bush did we you said Too bad most of it was true. I would have liked it better had it been untrue. if the hatful were deemed true then those agreeing that they are true are also supporting the hatred thus also hating ------------------------------------------ kinda like if you take three friends to a bank and the three friends rob the bank while you wait in the car you will still be considered part of the crew robbing the bank whether you knew our not cause you a supporting them -------------------------------------------- goodnight |
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now wait a minute...I have said many times on here that I don't think polls are accurate because all aren't polled and people argued with me because the polls slanted to thier beliefs  I don't need a poll to tell me anything.It was obvious when the media was kissing the ground Obama walked on everywhere he went.I remember seeing Mc cain get off the plane and there would be two photographers there. Puh lease. The media was nice to McCain in a big way. They didn't push about him cheating on his first wife with his second wife. They didn't push about his second wife being an addict that stole from that charity. They didn't push about some of McCain's airplane situations. They didn't push about Keating 5 either. |
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geektothetenth
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It's both sides of the same coin. Both liberals and conservatives in rabid support of their candidates have raised completely unintelligent and disgusting remarks. Liberals aren't always right, neither are the conservatives but it is exactly this back and forth that ensures our country does not get tilted too far in one direction.
It's like the south park episode where Stan said, the US needs both, the Hawks to protect us and the Doves so the rest of the world doesn't hate us. I just wish that people could, at least every once in awhile, look at the positives of the other side. Like I said, McCain is an honorable man, a self made man, a war hero who endured unspeakable horrors for the sake of the United States of America. He corrected that one lady during a town hall meeting who said Obama was a muslim and she was scared of him being president. McCain told her that that was untrue, and that she should not be scared of Obama as president. I think the Republicans did McCain a disservice when pairing him with Palin. He got a raw deal, I wish he was the Republican candidate during the Bush years. Obama is likewise an incredible man, he's thoughtful, he views issues from multiple perspectives, highly intelligent, hard working, analytical, he has great diplomatic skills. Now can we just go back to asking if the person above us wants to contract an STD from us, get a severed ear as a gift from us, lick various condiments off of us...you know...witty banter. hehe |
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Well the liberals can only redistribute wealth for only so long, before hard working people are fed up supporting people that don't wanna work. Wait, didn't Bush redistribute wealth? |
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Sure, ummm who's the leader of the Republican Party right now?....yup. Recent CNN poll found almost half of republicans and right leaning independents have no idea who their captain is. Let's go Jindal...hahaha (though in actuality I believe he is very smart and capable but man that was one poor performance, was he talking to a child?) First it was the conservatives complaining all the print media is liberal....probably fair point to make, but perhaps it's because more liberal minded people go into journalism. Print media is an aging dinosaur with the internet. So if print media is liberal, and all print media seems to be waning...hmmm. http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx it's that republicans are moving further right, (not surprising considering they feel backed into a corner after losing in spectacular fashion). Yes in Europe people may have switched, much like the US switched in 2008. Guess what happened, the economy tanked, people were unhappy, they voted for the other guy.....same thing happened here, we just happened to have conservative leadership at the time and they had leftist leadership. All of this says very little other than, liberals are more content now because they wield the power and conservatives are getting upset and thus watching more news to make their arguments, they are becoming more active then they have been when they had the power. It's the have nots that feel pressed into a corner who are going to fight back. Although you made some good points and you are well informed I must disagree with you.There is no doubt in anyones mind that that the media in general is left leaning.Just look at how they treated Obama compared to Mccain and Bush.There has been many polls that showed the media has been very soft and avoided any hard questions for Obama.It also showed that he was given far more positive publicity than any president in the last 20 years.Look at how they buried his ties with domestic terrorist,and his relationship with reverend wright.The people heard about that from the Conservitive talk radio shows. You mentioned the Republicans moving to the right when they were never left to begin with.It is the general public that is moving to the right and even the world in general.Europe has been in the left zone for nearly a hundred years. I am also not buying that because you have a Republican in office the economy tanks.Some of the biggest records as far as job growth,world growth,and world wealth in general happened under George bush jr. I beleive he said republicans are moving 'FURTHER' right, not to the right. |
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What a stretch this thread is. All the demographics point the opposit direction. Most young people are either liberal or independant. the future does not look good for the regressive right. The people with money of course support the right wing think tanks and institutions they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. They have fox news and Clear channel radio that is a given but we have the future.
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It's both sides of the same coin. Both liberals and conservatives in rabid support of their candidates have raised completely unintelligent and disgusting remarks. Liberals aren't always right, neither are the conservatives but it is exactly this back and forth that ensures our country does not get tilted too far in one direction. It's like the south park episode where Stan said, the US needs both, the Hawks to protect us and the Doves so the rest of the world doesn't hate us. I just wish that people could, at least every once in awhile, look at the positives of the other side. Like I said, McCain is an honorable man, a self made man, a war hero who endured unspeakable horrors for the sake of the United States of America. He corrected that one lady during a town hall meeting who said Obama was a muslim and she was scared of him being president. McCain told her that that was untrue, and that she should not be scared of Obama as president. I think the Republicans did McCain a disservice when pairing him with Palin. He got a raw deal, I wish he was the Republican candidate during the Bush years. Obama is likewise an incredible man, he's thoughtful, he views issues from multiple perspectives, highly intelligent, hard working, analytical, he has great diplomatic skills. Now can we just go back to asking if the person above us wants to contract an STD from us, get a severed ear as a gift from us, lick various condiments off of us...you know...witty banter. hehe I like what you have to say, but disagree about McCain. He didn't need Palin to lose. McCain would have sold his mother to win this, and he did not get a conscience about things his campaign people and audiences were saying about Obama until late in the game when he thought enough people had absorbed it, then pretended he was insulted by their ignorance. He might have been slightly embarrassed about it but he was not beneath using it to win people to his side. Blew up in his face but never the less he has a manipulative side that is unattractive. I had more respect for him before he ran, but never fully trusted his motives. Being a war hero doesn't get you off the hook... |
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What a stretch this thread is. All the demographics point the opposit direction. Most young people are either liberal or independant. the future does not look good for the regressive right. The people with money of course support the right wing think tanks and institutions they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. They have fox news and Clear channel radio that is a given but we have the future. I don't know that you are right exactly but I do know I want to be long dead before 'social'conservatives ever have too much power. Personally I think the farther to the right, the right goes, the less likely they will ever have too much control. So I say go for it. The same goes for the left. |
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"Meet the new boss ...
Same as the old boss ..." |
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To hear some the liberals are the reason for every ill in the world. I guess we may as well blame them for it all. I only blame conservatives for being hatefilled and dictatorial. ya' left out...racist and homophobic...ummmmm...ask Sarah Palin...a Consertvative woman...who the real hate filled people are...  ...dictatorial ?...that describes Obama to a T !
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What a stretch this thread is. All the demographics point the opposit direction. Most young people are either liberal or independant. the future does not look good for the regressive right. The people with money of course support the right wing think tanks and institutions they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. They have fox news and Clear channel radio that is a given but we have the future. I don't know that you are right exactly but I do know I want to be long dead before 'social'conservatives ever have too much power. Personally I think the farther to the right, the right goes, the less likely they will ever have too much control. So I say go for it. The same goes for the left. More from RealClearPolitics: 10 Of History's Boldest Presidential Promises More from RealClearPolitics: Top 10 Most Corrupt Politicians in U.S. History The nation's two big demographic trends, the browning of America and the educating of America, are boding badly for Republicans. That's the horizon of American politics today. But the catch about looking over the horizon is that you can't be quite sure of what you've seen until you get there http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/for_dems_demographics_are_not.html |
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