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Edited by
Unknow
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Tue 06/02/09 08:08 AM
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Wonder what would be said if the shoe was on the other foot...A pro-choice extreemist walked into a Catholic church and killed a pro-life docter....
I would bet there would be some major outrage!!!!! Come on Thomas3474 answer that one!!!! |
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you would think it woul take more than just commiting a crime to be considered a terrorist like there should at least be some conspiracy thrown in there somewhere with someone not involved in the actual committing of the criminal act during it commission and be aimed at an undetermined target or group not a single designated target yes 9-11 was aim at wtc but they did not care who they killed thus the deaths of who cares who makes it a terrorist act this was a mission to kill a specific person not indiscriminately kill or damage something if you permit every thing to be called terrorism the door you are opening is a direct route to a military state the patriot act permits the terrorist to be held in prolonged detention with no rights and no outside contact so no this was murder not terrorism Hi Adj, With all due respect, I think a person on a specific mission to kill a doctor tied to the abortion issue is a terrorist act? In my not so humble opinion it should be. Tell me that these acts against abortion clinics and doctors aren't terrorizing the communities in which they exist? So then how can he not be considered a terrorist. i would agree if they went to the clinic (and bombed it or sprayed it with gun fire) not caring who they kill but they went to kill a specific person and not harm anyone else yes it is scary and can create fear but as for ti being a terrorist act no to make every crime a terrorist act would give the govt unbridled power over the people since the passage of the patriot act and the the anti-terrorist act b4 it would you consider a bank robber a terrorist those in the bank could be anyone --------------------------------- Main Entry: ter·ror·ism Listen to the pronunciation of terrorism Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1795 : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion — ter·ror·ist Listen to the pronunciation of terrorist \-ər-ist\ adjective or noun — ter·ror·is·tic Listen to the pronunciation of terroristic \ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik\ adjective http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism ------------------------------------- what was the systematic action involved in this murder |
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all semantics arguing over the definitions of the motives of the killer doesn't diminish the deed not since the patriot act to open every crime to be a terrorist act (read previous posts) |
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legal definition of a terrorist act:
The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/terrorist+act |
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Is this thread like hooked on phonics? everyone providing definitions???
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Tue 06/02/09 11:13 AM
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Is this thread like hooked on phonics? everyone providing definitions??? fran..you know people shout...prove it |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Tue 06/02/09 11:30 AM
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legal definition of a terrorist act: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/terrorist+act """against persons""" he only shot one person (and hunted that one person down) it was not an act against the clinic he worked in he was not even in the clinic and they harmed no one else thus it was more of an act of retaliation by a fanatic that felt he deserved to die for his actions which was not coercion to change political opinion or policy as it has been done in the past and nothing changed imo it was murder not terrorism |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Tue 06/02/09 11:29 AM
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adj...regardless...we can agree it was wrong
psst...the definition (hehehe) of persons used here is "In general usage, a human being; by statute, however, the term can include firms, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in Bankruptcy, or receivers." but regarless...it was wrong |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Tue 06/02/09 11:34 AM
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adj...regardless...we can agree it was wrong psst...the definition (hehehe) of persons used here is "In general usage, a human being; by statute, however, the term can include firms, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in Bankruptcy, or receivers." but regarless...it was wrong yes it was wrong no doubt but terrorism i think not will repost my edit here he only shot one person (and hunted that one person down) it was not an act against the clinic he worked in he was not even in the clinic and they harmed no one else thus it was more of an act of retaliation by a fanatic that felt he deserved to die for his actions which was not coercion to change political opinion or policy as it has been done in the past and nothing changed imo it was murder not terrorism your defintion used legal definition of a terrorist act: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/terrorist+act which is a lil dif than websters that i posted a lil earlier |
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i think the issue of whether it is a terroist act vs murder....is the sentencing. i BELIEVE (don't quote me on this) that the sentencing is different...probably harsher for a terrorist. with murder, there is 1st degree, manslaughter, etc
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking.
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i think the issue of whether it is a terroist act vs murder....is the sentencing. i BELIEVE (don't quote me on this) that the sentencing is different...probably harsher for a terrorist. with murder, there is 1st degree, manslaughter, etc the difference (at least one of them) is that the govt would not have to give him a trial he could go directly to jail does not pass judge nor collect a verdict from a jury if it is terrorism lumping things into terrorism gives the gov to much open power and the opportunity to abuse said power murder can get you life or death in death penalty state how much worse can he be punished ?????????????????? other than not getting his day in court |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. no it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with his act will not change the laws nor effect them in any way thus it did not coerce the political scheme of things which per rose's def is a need to make it terrorism it has been done in the past to no avail there is no reason to think this event would be any different |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. no it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with his act will not change the laws nor effect them in any way thus it did not coerce the political scheme of things which per rose's def is a need to make it terrorism it has been done in the past to no avail there is no reason to think this event would be any different How do you know what the murder was thinking? He could have been thinking what Dragoness said, "Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking." He could also have thinking what you said, "it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with". Just saying. |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. no it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with his act will not change the laws nor effect them in any way thus it did not coerce the political scheme of things which per rose's def is a need to make it terrorism it has been done in the past to no avail there is no reason to think this event would be any different How do you know what the murder was thinking? He could have been thinking what Dragoness said, "Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking." He could also have thinking what you said, "it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with". Just saying. which creates reasonable doubt thus not guilty of terrorism thank you winx yer my hero |
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The word "terrorism" first became popular during the French Revolution, when the régime de la terreur was initially viewed as a positive political system that used fear to remind citizens of the necessity of virtue, " wrote Raymond Bonner in the New York Times. "The use of violence to "educate" people about ideological issues has continued, but it has taken on decidedly negative connotations - and has become predominantly, though not exclusively, a tactic deployed by those who do not have the powers of state at their disposal." ------------------------------------------------- I would disagree with that completely. WE've come full circle. It has become THE tool of the State. And yet they try to label the resisters as the terrorists. So yes, we have to be VERY careful how we use their term. This was nothing compared to the crimes THEY have perpetrated. And I'll just throw in this. Remember Moses killed the Egyptian who was abusing the slaves. Apparently God didn't consider that to be murder because he still used Moses greatly. Just food for thought. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Tue 06/02/09 07:14 PM
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. no it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with his act will not change the laws nor effect them in any way thus it did not coerce the political scheme of things which per rose's def is a need to make it terrorism it has been done in the past to no avail there is no reason to think this event would be any different How do you know what the murder was thinking? He could have been thinking what Dragoness said, "Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking." He could also have thinking what you said, "it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with". Just saying. which creates reasonable doubt thus not guilty of terrorism thank you winx yer my hero Oops...I said murder instead of murderer. We don't know what he was thinking. If I was to guess, though, I would go with what Dragoness said. Then again, I see that it possibly could be what you said. |
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This is a terrorist act, it was politically motivated. Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking. to say that is to say any crime is a terrorist act due to the political situation i am broke and you have income thus you have money and i am going to pick your pocket no it is not a terrorist act it is pick pocketing and the guy committed murder not a terrorist act It is a terrorist act. It was politically motivated. Had it been because he slept with the others wife or something then it would be a crime of passion but it was politically motivated thus making it a terrorist act. no it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with his act will not change the laws nor effect them in any way thus it did not coerce the political scheme of things which per rose's def is a need to make it terrorism it has been done in the past to no avail there is no reason to think this event would be any different How do you know what the murder was thinking? He could have been thinking what Dragoness said, "Meant to SHOW those of differing views what happens if you do not bend to the others way of thinking." He could also have thinking what you said, "it was retaliation for actions that the murderer disagreed with". Just saying. which creates reasonable doubt thus not guilty of terrorism thank you winx yer my hero Oops...I said murder instead of murderer. We don't know what he was thinking. If I was to guess, though, I would go with what Dragoness said. Then again, I see that it possibly could be what you said. but if you think it could be what i said then you have reasonable doubt and if this was a jury your correct verdict on the charge of terrorism would be not guilty |
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