It all depends on the evidence that they present, Adj4u. That's why there's a trial.

Thank you for telling us that. You do know more about it then we do because it happened in your city.

you hit on the very point of why i am debating this

if it is terrorism they do not have to have a trial

Got it! I feel that this man should have a trial.

Untrue. As a U.S. citizen he has the right to trial just like everyone else. Timothy McVeigh was called a terrorist and he also had a trial. And the one person actually caught in the U.S. that was charged with conspiring in the 9/11 plot (Moussouai) also had a trial, and he was a French citizen, although I'm unsure of his rights in this regard.

that was before the patriot act



it was the military commissions act

MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT

In the final hours before adjourning in 2006, Congress passed and the president signed the Military Commissions Act (MCA). In doing so, they cast aside the Constitution and the principle of habeas corpus, which protects against unlawful and indefinite imprisonment. They also gave the president absolute power to designate enemy combatants, and to set his own definitions for torture.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/commissions.html

whether the person gets tired as a terrorist or murderer...he will serve time

if he gets a trail at all

but with all those witnesses he will get a trial

cause how can they loose

if it was questionable whether he did it or not then the terrorist act would be more in play

[mca gave the president absolute power to designate enemy combatants,]

they could accuse him of being an enemy combatant thus a terrorist and he could just sit in jail till they decide to give him a day in court or let him go

I really don't care what he is charged with...terrorist or murderer...he will be seeing bars for a long time

but if he is charged with terrorism it opens the door for others who are suspected of killing an abortion doctor to be charged with terrorism

thus they could be held indefinitely as an enemy combatant whether they did anything or not

that is what i am trying to get people to realize you must look into what effect that this case could have on the future

say your uncle (who is a nice guy and would never do such a thing) but just happened to be in the area where an abortion doctor got murdered but no one else was seen in the area, thus your uncle is the only suspect this causes him to be picked up and questioned - having never been in an interrogation situation before he is nervous and that nervousness is interpreted as acting guilty thus they decide he must have done it and hold him indefinitely as an enemy combatant

that is why it matters

i guess that was enough said

Slain abortion doctor eulogized as generous

By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer – 52 mins ago

WICHITA, Kan. – Hundreds of people gathered Saturday to honor slain abortion provider Dr. George Tiller, eulogized by a longtime friend as a passionate and generous man who repeatedly overcame difficult challenges.

Tiller's funeral at College Hill United Methodist Church also drew small groups of protesters. Police and federal marshals provided heavy security.

Tiller, one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions, was killed by a gunshot last Sunday in the foyer of his own church, Reformation Lutheran, while he was serving as an usher and his wife was singing in the choir. His family had the funeral at the Methodist church to accommodate the large number of mourners.

His son, Maury, said the manner of his father's death resulted in an unimaginable outpouring of love and support for the family.

But he added: "I struggle with the manner he was welcomed into heaven."

Others recalled personal quirks that made him human.

Tiller's daughter, Rebecca, recalled how her father loved "Star Trek," and gave her a framed poster of Trekkie sayings for her apartment, which he promised her would bring her success if she read them each day before going out. Among his favorites were: "Live long and prosper," and, "When you go out to the universe remember, boldly go where no man has gone before."

He also was remembered for his generosity and sense of humor.

"Dear God, get heaven ready, because Mr. Enthusiasm is coming," said Larry Borcherding, of Overland Park, who first met Tiller a half-century ago when both were students at the University of Kansas. "Heaven will never be the same. It will be a better, better place with George in it."

About 700 people filled the church sanctuary and some 200 others watched a closed-circuit television broadcast in another room.

A large portrait of Tiller hung at the front of the sanctuary, and nearby was a wreath of flowers with the words "TRUST WOMEN." Some mourners wore buttons that said "Attitude is Everything."

Tiller's clinic in Wichita was among a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, and that made it a target of regular protests. Most were peaceful, but his clinic was bombed in 1986, and he was shot in both arms in 1993.

Borcherding recalled that immediately after that 1993 shooting, Tiller kept in close contact with him because Borcherding had lost his job.

"Who had a more boisterous, heartfelt laugh than George Tiller?" Borcherding said. "There are so many stories. I have many, many, many. Let's be sure to share them later."

Scott Roeder, a 51-year-old abortion opponent, was arrested a few hours after the shooting just outside Kansas City. He was charged two days later with the attack at the church, where he had occasionally attended services two months earlier.

About 30 abortion rights supporters lined a sidewalk outside the church Sunday, each holding a white carnation and one with a sign declaring Tiller, his family and his staff as "civil rights heroes." Many wore green or blue T-shirts commemorating Tiller's life, with the National Organization for Women's logo.

Most anti-abortion groups avoided the funeral, having denounced Tiller's shooting. But 17 demonstrators showed up from Westboro Baptist Church, known for picketing soldiers' funerals to present its message that their deaths are God's punishment for Americans' tolerance of homosexuality.

They held signs such as "God sent the shooter" and "Abortion is bloody murder."

Police kept them about 500 feet away from the church, mostly out of sight of people arriving for the funeral, although their shouts and singing could be heard from blocks away.

The Westboro Baptist demonstration drew about a dozen counter-demonstrators, and the two groups shouted insults at each other before the service and tried to drown each other out with singing.

"This has nothing to do with abortion," said Mark Voyles, an Army veteran from Derby who said he was upset about Westboro Baptist's attacks on soldiers.

The service also drew 50 motorcyclists from the American Legion Riders, who honored Tiller's service in the Navy. Their leader, Cregg Hansen, also from Derby, said Tiller's family asked them to be there.

"We don't get involved in politics," Hansen said. "We're here 120 percent for the veterans."