Topic: QUESTION RE: CHILD SUPPORT
tanyaann's photo
Thu 05/28/09 07:57 AM
Edited by tanyaann on Thu 05/28/09 07:58 AM


When I worked at my aunt and uncle's party store, there was a older lady, whose child was grow and in his 30s. She was coming to cash child support checks, because the state had finally caught up with him.

You know, I am split on the matter. I don't receive child support. I am owed approx. $10,000. I don't ever expect to see it.

In my case, if he would just sign off parental rights and disappear, I would waive the $10,000 he owes me.

hey sunshine, but as Quiet mentioned, is the custodial parent allowed/able to forgive debt?

Are people aware that just because your name appears on a child birth certificate, does not give you parental right, but does give you financial obligation?


According to the State of Michigan, if paternity has been established that equates to both parenting time rights and financial rights. I do believe that I can forgive his debt to me, but he will still owe the state money. (If I recall correctly, in that State of Michigan there is a one time forgiveness thingy.)

Jules0565's photo
Thu 05/28/09 07:59 AM
Said Man owes.

IF said man could not afford the first child.. said man should NOT have had more!

LordCole's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:01 AM

Said Man owes.

IF said man could not afford the first child.. said man should NOT have had more!


Right on... flowerforyou


adj4u's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:04 AM
Statute of Limitations to enforce a child support order.

None, but to bar stale claims, "laches" may apply.

Statute of Limitations to establish paternity:

4 years after the child's 18th birthday.


http://www.child-support-collections.com/statutes/florida.html

has each state listed


franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:14 AM

it would depend on state statutes

each state has time limits on how long a debt is kept on the books


some also think since the child is now an adult the money should go to the child

wrong

it goes to the mother unless they were receiving public assistance if that is the case the state takes what they feel is owed them

and if there is any left then the mother get that amount

but i do not know if child support has a time of forgiveness or not


hey sunshine, good point. flowers

Does anyone know if child support has a statute of limitations???

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:16 AM



Owing a debt is owing a debt...

50k? this guy should be in prison working it off in my opinion.

that number seems awfully low to me anyway if this person only paid support for six to ten months...


they both agreed on an amt - much lower than the court ordered amount to enable man to pay w/o hardship.

Ques, how would he work it off if he's placed in prison?


Paying with out hardship is the same as enabling mediocrity... I do not believe we should reinforce failure with the reward, he should be working harder.

My Father and Mother worked themselves to the bone as I grew up staying together through think and thin. My Father worked as a Guard at a local jail and as a Deputy Sheriff while my Mother worked as a buyer for a local retailer.

Paying with out hardship...

There are such things as work programs and plenty of men whom owe much less that are currently working it off in prison now.


Oh sunshine, I'm with you, but my question is still unanswered.
how does placing the debtor in jail, work of his debt?

**keep in mind the woman never utilized government assistance**

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:22 AM

Said Man owes.

IF said man could not afford the first child.. said man should NOT have had more!
:thumbsup:

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:23 AM



When I worked at my aunt and uncle's party store, there was a older lady, whose child was grow and in his 30s. She was coming to cash child support checks, because the state had finally caught up with him.

You know, I am split on the matter. I don't receive child support. I am owed approx. $10,000. I don't ever expect to see it.

In my case, if he would just sign off parental rights and disappear, I would waive the $10,000 he owes me.

hey sunshine, but as Quiet mentioned, is the custodial parent allowed/able to forgive debt?

Are people aware that just because your name appears on a child birth certificate, does not give you parental right, but does give you financial obligation?


According to the State of Michigan, if paternity has been established that equates to both parenting time rights and financial rights. I do believe that I can forgive his debt to me, but he will still owe the state money. (If I recall correctly, in that State of Michigan there is a one time forgiveness thingy.)


Ques - why does man owe state?

LordCole's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:24 AM




Owing a debt is owing a debt...

50k? this guy should be in prison working it off in my opinion.

that number seems awfully low to me anyway if this person only paid support for six to ten months...


they both agreed on an amt - much lower than the court ordered amount to enable man to pay w/o hardship.

Ques, how would he work it off if he's placed in prison?


Paying with out hardship is the same as enabling mediocrity... I do not believe we should reinforce failure with the reward, he should be working harder.

My Father and Mother worked themselves to the bone as I grew up staying together through think and thin. My Father worked as a Guard at a local jail and as a Deputy Sheriff while my Mother worked as a buyer for a local retailer.

Paying with out hardship...

There are such things as work programs and plenty of men whom owe much less that are currently working it off in prison now.


Oh sunshine, I'm with you, but my question is still unanswered.
how does placing the debtor in jail, work of his debt?

**keep in mind the woman never utilized government assistance**


The Work Program... ^^^

tanyaann's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:25 AM


Ques - why does man owe state?


State Health Insurance and such!

LordCole's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:26 AM
meh... this subject got me fired up a little.

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:26 AM

meh... this subject got me fired up a little.

I'm sorry, not my intent flowerforyou

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:28 AM





Owing a debt is owing a debt...

50k? this guy should be in prison working it off in my opinion.

that number seems awfully low to me anyway if this person only paid support for six to ten months...


they both agreed on an amt - much lower than the court ordered amount to enable man to pay w/o hardship.

Ques, how would he work it off if he's placed in prison?


Paying with out hardship is the same as enabling mediocrity... I do not believe we should reinforce failure with the reward, he should be working harder.

My Father and Mother worked themselves to the bone as I grew up staying together through think and thin. My Father worked as a Guard at a local jail and as a Deputy Sheriff while my Mother worked as a buyer for a local retailer.

Paying with out hardship...

There are such things as work programs and plenty of men whom owe much less that are currently working it off in prison now.


Oh sunshine, I'm with you, but my question is still unanswered.
how does placing the debtor in jail, work of his debt?

**keep in mind the woman never utilized government assistance**


The Work Program... ^^^


I'm sorry I don't follow. What is the work program? How does placing man in jail bring her financial relief and reduce his debt? Does the state pay her for his incarceration?

Keep in mind - financial assistance was not used by woman/child.

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:31 AM



Ques - why does man owe state?


State Health Insurance and such!


But Tanya that's my point

No state, federal or governmental help/assistance was used by the woman/child.

Woman worked hard, sacrificed a lot, but never received financial assistance.

Should man still owe for services not utilized by woman/child?

adj4u's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:36 AM




Ques - why does man owe state?


State Health Insurance and such!


But Tanya that's my point

No state, federal or governmental help/assistance was used by the woman/child.

Woman worked hard, sacrificed a lot, but never received financial assistance.

Should man still owe for services not utilized by woman/child?



if the state did not pay out

the state should not be collecting

any support should go to the person owed

if you asked the state to enforce the order then it may get a bit touchy

could be kinda like domestic violence once you call for help the state takes over and you have no say as to what happens next

but this is just speculation and opinion

tanyaann's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:36 AM




Ques - why does man owe state?


State Health Insurance and such!


But Tanya that's my point

No state, federal or governmental help/assistance was used by the woman/child.

Woman worked hard, sacrificed a lot, but never received financial assistance.

Should man still owe for services not utilized by woman/child?


According to most states, he is owes for the cost of care for the child, regardless of State intervention. (Unless, an out of court agreement was made, but in divorce, most couples have to make an agreement somewhere. It is a comtempt on the court to not follow that and the agreement must be upheld. She might be able to waive it, depending on the state.)

no photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:38 AM
My father split b4 i was born.Never met him or recieved a dime.Are you telling me I have monies owed?

JUSTSAYINGHELLOO's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:39 AM
HE STILL OWES, GO TO COURT AND GET THOSE BACK PAYMENTS, LAW IS LAW.
YOU BOTH MADE THE CHILD TOGETHER, YOU DID NOT MAKE THE CHILD ALONE!!flowerforyou

franshade's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:40 AM





Ques - why does man owe state?


State Health Insurance and such!


But Tanya that's my point

No state, federal or governmental help/assistance was used by the woman/child.

Woman worked hard, sacrificed a lot, but never received financial assistance.

Should man still owe for services not utilized by woman/child?



if the state did not pay out

the state should not be collecting

any support should go to the person owed

if you asked the state to enforce the order then it may get a bit touchy

could be kinda like domestic violence once you call for help the state takes over and you have no say as to what happens next

but this is just speculation and opinion

The woman contacted the courts w/re: to arrears when child was a minor.

Now child is 23 and she's getting results.

adj4u's photo
Thu 05/28/09 08:43 AM
well the govt is slow that is for sure

but i am not sure she can stop it

best thing i could suggest if she wants to would be to go to the district attorney and ask how to stop it

or even the attorney general of the state the order is based in