When I read what you wrote here I must confess that this isn't how I percieve life at all.

To me this kind of question wouldn't even be a left brain question, it's a right brain question and the answer is innate. No logic required.

You have it phrased as a left brain question. So to me it appears to be nonsensical. It's just not the way I would even begin to think about this particular issue. Money and violence aren't even on the same brain waves for me. Money is a left brain question and morals are a right brain question and the right brain always overrides the left brain for me. ALWAYS.

I guess that's just the way I'm innately wired.

If you're calculating your morals in your left brain, then you need to do some meditation or something and re-find yourself.

You say, "YOUR decision is based on what you are thinking..."

But why do you limit your decisions so?

Aren't your decisions ALSO based on what you are FEELING...?"

Do you need memory to FEEL?

it's ok.... it is one of the differences is all... you are stuck in one place, I reside in another..

Just wonder what the "next" place we get to is...and what that will be......thats a good question...isnt it? and that was not spiritual

Yes. you do. You need to remember what things feel like. do you not? Or else you would need to experience feelings all over again. And I mean all feelings...happiness...and carpets.....they may change but you need the last one to compare them to

"You can't bullsh1t a bullsh1tter"

You can if you use your memory

Well, I wouldn't even try to argue this on a logical basis. I personally don't believe it can be resolved.

All I can offer is that I percieve feelings as being innate in my being. How that works I don't know.

From a physical point of view I might offer that it could be in my DNA. In my very make-up. And therefore it doesn't require memory, at least not in the sense of brain memory. But I suppose one could argue that DNA is a form of 'memory', but if we allow that argument, then being human requires memory because our very human form evolved over billions of years. In other words, all of that 'memory' is in our DNA.

Then there is also the spiritual realm. If a person believes in spirit, then our feelings can potentially arise from our 'soul'.

If that's the case, then again no memory would be required because surely it doesn't require memory for a soul to be what it is.

I have no clue what's going on. I'm simply offering possiblities.

I am not my brain. I feel that I am much more than this. Even if only through my DNA that 'formed' my brain. And of course, if we allow for spirit, we open up a whole mystical realm that suggests that our true essence is more than just our physical form.

I'm agnostic. I don't know whether I'm just a bag of atoms or whether I'm some form of spirit taking advantage of a bag of atoms.

I tend to lean toward the latter for reasons that do indeed depend on my memory (thinks I've learned in this life), as well as intuitive feelings.

But my agnosticism that leans toward spirituality is not me. That's merely a perspective that I hold.

I am not my perspective. My perspective arises from me, and I can change my perspective freely without changing who I am.

I once was a Christian, I'm now Agnostic. Did that change who I am? I don't think so. I was me when I was a Christian, and I'm still me as an Agnostic.

Does that make sense?

I am not what I THINK.

Unlike Rene Descarte I do not believe that "I think therefore I am", on the contrary, I believe "I am that I am" whether I think about it or not.

My thoughts are something I DO. My thoughts are not me.

Rene Descarte was into thought
and thus it was his only plot
but I am more than what I think
like words are more than merely ink

One is the total sum of all personal experience.

....ahhh, but............ 'zero is where the real fun begins'!- Hafiz

we live more than one life in a lifetime. it goes beyond child, teen, adult, middle-aged, older-aged, and golden-years. these little lifetimes are shaded and defined by experiences, decisions, and influences such as our environment.

if things go on beyond our physical death.. then they were here before our physical birth. the unmeasured element? i leave all that up to personal belief and individual faith.

life in itself, is to complicated alone. in some ways i'm failing at living it. in other ways, i've exceeded my expectations. hopefully when i die, i'll have one moment of clarity if there is nothing else waiting.

if I get X amount of years? it'll be fine, because in that X amount amount of years... hopefully i'll have lived more lifetimes in this physical span. and even if it ends tomorrow... i've still seen enough

Life is right now. Yesterday is gone. Who promised you Tomorrow?

Well I Don't have to be run over to know that I wouldn't want to be run over. I don't need to see someone in pain to realize what hurts me will hurt them.

Just like anything else you can learn both in the abstract as well as from personal experience(memory) but once I gained knowledge I could easily know that I wouldn't want that to happen to me and thus wouldn't do so to another. It does not have to be a memory, that is just where we gain most of our knowledge as people.

Its empathy. Yes you have to be able to comprehend things to make use of it.

Interestingly enough there seem to be two types of memory, (or some other mechanism by which the following story can be explaind) there have been cases where a person gets amnesia and forgets everything ABOUT there life, but not learned concepts such as fire is hot, or when you look at the microwave you can easily operate it and KNOW you have used one before but cannot remember a single time doing it.

You keep your skills but loose your memories. Interesting indeed. There where specific examples in the nuerology tezt book I have to admit I flushed most of those chapters after the course. Too interesting so Ill have to go find the book and reread it when I get time . . . blasted TIME, never enough to experience everything!!!

Well said. There where also examples of people with amnesia that could remember things but only for short periods (seconds maybe a minute or two) then bam brain dump. Its like your brain was about to write what was in RAM to the HD then bam BSOD.

Would this discussion even be possible without memory. I must remember what was written to form an opinion which is also based on all other experiences, or memory of those experiences.Memories are real. Life warps our peceptions of those memories which defines who we are.

This thread has gone away for me -- thats my new philosophy

Yes

But would you require memories of this discussion to know you can discus things?

Its an interesting distinction.

To those, who consider that everything is NOW:
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__________REMEMBER THE SAYING:___________________
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THOSE WHO FAIL TO PLAN, PLAN TO FAIL ! ! !

k get this...you have taken my concept totally wrong...because apparently in your attempt to prove yourself right you failed to ask yourself if what i was saying made any sense...


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Original Post:
"Ya ever wonder why things come to an end? Because they have to. Everything has to. It is a part of the cycle - the circle - the system we all live and participate in. No, it is not called "life." A life is what we all have and we live it every day. However we must remember - emphasis on remember - that our memory is the key element of us being who we are.

If you could not remember then living would be pointless. But at the same time some people only want to forget.

So, the question is...is your life "X" amount of years - say 60 maybe 70 or 80 years? Or is it just one day over and over and you just choose what happens and what to forget about the day before? "

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MY RETURN QUESTIONS:

1.) where in any of that do I mention science?

2.) I only used "Alzheimer's disease would" in response to A RESPONSE

3.) WHY does my thread get torn up by me replying to someone whose opinion i respect....yet ONE THING did not correspond with the idea of my "thead" and that is the new thread?

4.) Does anyone understand what I was saying?

5.) Originally I posted something like this in "Poetry/Creative Writing" and it was moved here. Any opinions where to get the responses I want?

I disagree...

by living in this moment, everything that is required this moment is met.

I can plan 50 ways of sundays for every eventuation, exhaust all avenues, and still not have the appropriate resources, in the MOMENT of occurence.

By planning to fail...one will...failing to plan does not equate failure...at all... every success, if that is the term required has been met in that moment.

I have no need to allow my mind to conjure imagined scenarios for imagined happenings in an imagined time ...when I could continue being HERE NOW.

Jess...........this thread is so soiled....Im not sure if you are agreeing with my original post or handlewithcaution's opposed view....but either way.....nothing really matters....bc the bottom line answer to this "discussion" is this.

Life is what you make of it.

If you choose to live in the moment, as some apparently do....then that is your choice....just not mine.

It is impossible to discuss something like this over 2 weeks or a month or whenever I originally posted this. This is something you sit down and have a coffee and talk over in 2 hours...

NO where in my post did I mention anything about planing anything or planing on failing or anything at all about that....this is pointless anymore....thanks a lot handlewithcaution