then make your posts clearer

i have followed along...because my post was countering smiles....and if you are being sarcastic...maybe you should note that. because you came off as saying my post originated from hatred. THAT is were the misunderstanding comes from. THAT is why we are debating you about that statement

in the case of the OP...murder is not accurate IMO

The precise definition of murder varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under the Common Law, or law made by courts, murder was the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. The term malice aforethought did not necessarily mean that the killer planned or premeditated on the killing, or that he or she felt malice toward the victim. Generally, malice aforethought referred to a level of intent or reck-lessness that separated murder from other killings and warranted stiffer punishment.

The definition of murder has evolved over several centuries. Under most modern statutes in the United States, murder comes in four varieties: (1) intentional murder; (2) a killing that resulted from the intent to do serious bodily injury; (3) a killing that resulted from a depraved heart or extreme recklessness; and (4) murder committed by an Accomplice during the commission of, attempt of, or flight from certain felonies

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder

Ooo...Ooo...Ooo...

Is sum buddy fightn'?

No buddy will fight with me...

bring it on bubba

There are two distict issues regarding the care of one's 'own' children.

BELIEF AND RELIGION

FIRST, religion: If parents have not, otherwise, neglected or abused their children, but deny them medical treatment for an illness based on religions beliefs, we (all America) can not intercede. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of law. The Constitution protects individual religious freedom.

If the government (state, or local or judicial) steps in they are not just denying a Constitutional right, they are using a public forum by creating a poster-child that declares religion false.

If one religion is false then all must be false and EVERY American who holds a religious belief should hide in fear.

SECOND, Belief: I am an athiest, but I have certain beliefs. I have gained these beliefs through many years of study, research and experience. Part of my belief includes a distrust of the medical treatments for cancer. My very first option with my own child would most likely be against FDA approved drugs and mainstreat medical treatments.

I do not believe any other person in the world has a more vested interest in my child's welfare than I do. I do not believe any government has the right to step in and deny me the right to raise my child as I see fit - as long as I have not otherwise neglected or abused that child.

Religion and belief are two distinct things, one has the added protection of a secular Constitutional right, but no similar right is given to those whose beliefs are not a declared religion.

Does that mean that no children are truely your own? Does that mean because a child is born an American that they are first owned by the state and parents are just temporary keepers of state property? If so where is the manual of how to raise a child that belongs to the state?

Question then...Whats your feeling on assisted suicide? Just curious....

Pulling of a feeding tube?

What difference does it make how I feel really?


I had to watch my dad die...he had cancer too. He signed a do not resuscitate.

If I am sick right now and have no insurance to go to the doctor, will you force me to go or pay for it if I go?

Just curious...

If I being of sound mind decide beforehand that if I ever became a vegetable (ie: dependent on a machine to just keep me alive) that I did not want that. Should the government step in and go against my wishes?

That's not killing!

That's letting natural events run their course.

I have a little experience with unfounded death sentences from doctors who think they know everything!

More often than not their know everythings are just assumptions.
They Guess!

Natural events run their course? Does this mean that I don't teach my child how to brush their teeth? Let their teeth rot because it's a natural event taking it's course. I guess I shouldn't get those braces for them next month. The teeth my child has now are in their natural state.

Should I quit giving my child their asthma meds.? Asthma attacks are just natural events for my child. Should I just let it be nature running it's natural course? My child had reflux of the bladder when they were small. I guess I shouldn't have had my child take preventative antibiotics for that. A kidney infection and damage would have been the natural event running it's course.

Is that your beliefs?

There are two distict issues regarding the care of one's 'own' children.

BELIEF AND RELIGION

FIRST, religion: If parents have not, otherwise, neglected or abused their children, but deny them medical treatment for an illness based on religions beliefs, we (all America) can not intercede. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of law. The Constitution protects individual religious freedom.

If the government (state, or local or judicial) steps in they are not just denying a Constitutional right, they are using a public forum by creating a poster-child that declares religion false.

If one religion is false then all must be false and EVERY American who holds a religious belief should hide in fear.

SECOND, Belief: I am an athiest, but I have certain beliefs. I have gained these beliefs through many years of study, research and experience. Part of my belief includes a distrust of the medical treatments for cancer. My very first option with my own child would most likely be against FDA approved drugs and mainstreat medical treatments.

I do not believe any other person in the world has a more vested interest in my child's welfare than I do. I do not believe any government has the right to step in and deny me the right to raise my child as I see fit - as long as I have not otherwise neglected or abused that child.

Religion and belief are two distinct things, one has the added protection of a secular Constitutional right, but no similar right is given to those whose beliefs are not a declared religion.

Does that mean that no children are truely your own? Does that mean because a child is born an American that they are first owned by the state and parents are just temporary keepers of state property? If so where is the manual of how to raise a child that belongs to the state?