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Topic: When religion creates ignorance...
creativesoul's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:17 PM
We cannot allow this idea to gain a toe-hold, let alone a foot-hold.

If there exists a court precedent which allows the government to intervene with a person's belief by forcing them to seek medical attention when those beliefs go against it, then you have just effectively removed freedom of choice.

C'mon people...

Do not support this is any way.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:29 PM


Cultural Genocide!


Is it still genocide when they do it to themselves? Serious question I don't know.


That would be self-determination!

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:31 PM
Who is God?

Who is to say the child will live even if chemo is used?

DaveyB's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:34 PM

We cannot allow this idea to gain a toe-hold, let alone a foot-hold.

If there exists a court precedent which allows the government to intervene with a person's belief by forcing them to seek medical attention when those beliefs go against it, then you have just effectively removed freedom of choice.

C'mon people...

Do not support this is any way.


Um it's already happened many times over, been happening since I was a kid. The current legal question comes in at what point does the state have the authority. Not saying I agree, just stating what is.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:41 PM


We cannot allow this idea to gain a toe-hold, let alone a foot-hold.

If there exists a court precedent which allows the government to intervene with a person's belief by forcing them to seek medical attention when those beliefs go against it, then you have just effectively removed freedom of choice.

C'mon people...

Do not support this is any way.


Um it's already happened many times over, been happening since I was a kid. The current legal question comes in at what point does the state have the authority. Not saying I agree, just stating what is.


at what point does the state have the authority?

At the point all direct living relatives are dead!

DaveyB's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:44 PM



We cannot allow this idea to gain a toe-hold, let alone a foot-hold.

If there exists a court precedent which allows the government to intervene with a person's belief by forcing them to seek medical attention when those beliefs go against it, then you have just effectively removed freedom of choice.

C'mon people...

Do not support this is any way.


Um it's already happened many times over, been happening since I was a kid. The current legal question comes in at what point does the state have the authority. Not saying I agree, just stating what is.


at what point does the state have the authority?

At the point all direct living relatives are dead!


I might agree, not sure I have mixed feelings on the issue. But the thing is that is not the current law in many states.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:45 PM



We cannot allow this idea to gain a toe-hold, let alone a foot-hold.

If there exists a court precedent which allows the government to intervene with a person's belief by forcing them to seek medical attention when those beliefs go against it, then you have just effectively removed freedom of choice.

C'mon people...

Do not support this is any way.


Um it's already happened many times over, been happening since I was a kid. The current legal question comes in at what point does the state have the authority. Not saying I agree, just stating what is.


at what point does the state have the authority?

At the point all direct living relatives are dead!


i agree to the point that I hate seeing children suffer though. it's a big thing with me. but i can see people rights. not an easy answer IMO

creativesoul's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:54 PM
Mandating medical treatment is wrong.

Period.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:55 PM
there are so many religious beliefs as well as athiests that use alternative medicines!!!!!!!! I never realized how many

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/16/09 12:59 PM
Its not a hard answer if you relize you have no right to the question!

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:15 PM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 05/16/09 01:20 PM

I am sorry but...this kid is and has been under the constant sway of his parents. Is his opinion really independently formed?

I asked this in my other post and I will ask it again. How many of you all follow your parents religion in the same manner as they did?

Hasn't your relationship with God changed over the years? Even those of you who are very faithful and consistent believers I bet do not fall in lock step with your parents version of faith and obedience.

This kid deserves a chance at living so he can make his own call unfettered by his parents ideas of right and wrong.

As for the lawyer? It's my bet that the kid does have independent council or at least had the option to have it.


well using that logic

if you put your kid in a car and go somewhere

you are endangering them and should be charged

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Killed by Car Accidents

Highway fatalities account for more than 94% of all transportation deaths. There were an estimated 6,289,000 car accidents in the US in 1999. There were about 3.4 million injuries and 41,611 people killed in auto accidents in 1999. The total number of people killed in highway crashes in 2001 was 42,116, compared to 41,945 in 2000. An average of 114 people die each day in car crashes in the U.S

http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

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As for the lawyer? It's my bet that the kid does have independent council or at least had the option to have it.



your bet is

interesting

kid has no option to refuse representation

they are a minor

and it is court appointed and paid for by the (so called) parent

since the govt can dictate the care and up bringing of the kids maybe they should start paying the bills for them

maybe seeing how eating meat can lead to heart attack if you feed your kid a hamburger you lose the kid

just where does it stop

DaveyB's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:18 PM

Its not a hard answer if you relize you have no right to the question!


The place where it gets sticky is when modern medicine has a guarantee of working. It's been likened to legalized homicide. It basically treats the kids a parents property and I have a problems with that too.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:20 PM
not even modern medicine is guaranteed. there are peole that have gone through chemo...and still died after being sick from chemo and radiation. nothing is guaranteed as far as treatments

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:21 PM

not even modern medicine is guaranteed. there are peole that have gone through chemo...and still died after being sick from chemo and radiation. nothing is guaranteed as far as treatments


that is why they call it practicing medicine

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:22 PM


not even modern medicine is guaranteed. there are peole that have gone through chemo...and still died after being sick from chemo and radiation. nothing is guaranteed as far as treatments


that is why they call it practicing medicine


practice makes perfect huh? lol

DaveyB's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:23 PM

not even modern medicine is guaranteed. there are peole that have gone through chemo...and still died after being sick from chemo and radiation. nothing is guaranteed as far as treatments


In this case I have to agree. But the Fanta's post appears to apply to ALL cases. There are cases where there is a more definite outcome between western medicinal treatment and not.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:24 PM


not even modern medicine is guaranteed. there are peole that have gone through chemo...and still died after being sick from chemo and radiation. nothing is guaranteed as far as treatments


In this case I have to agree. But the Fanta's post appears to apply to ALL cases. There are cases where there is a more definite outcome between western medicinal treatment and not.


sometimes modern medicines is needed...sometimes it's not necessary

(as adj says) what do I know lol

DaveyB's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:25 PM
Edited by DaveyB on Sat 05/16/09 01:26 PM
An example for what I mentioned above might be a child who has a kidney that is about to rupture. Modern medicine is all but a virtual guarantee of a cure. The lack of it is certain death. Does the parent have the right to refuse?

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:28 PM
IMO...if adults want to treat themselves with alternativ emeds only...then they have that right...as far as kids, I would do all I could as a mom. so I don't know where the government should jump in or not. when does it interfere with people's right to beliefs?

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/16/09 01:29 PM

An example for what I mentioned above might be a child who has a kidney that is about to rupture. Modern medicine is all but a virtual guarantee of a cure. The lack of it is certain death. Does the parent have the right to refuse?


yes

unless the govt takes the kid and puts them in foster care

when you let govt dictate how one lives life you no longer have a life

it is a law prohibiting the practice there of (religion)

and it is unconstitutional

and that should put an end to it

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