im sorry but christ frees all whom calls on his name he frees them from
the law which says that we are al l guilty by grace alone are we
accepted into heaven

God did give us freewill, but in doing so He gave us a choice to accept
His son Jesus Christ as the only way to Him. God, Himself says that no
human can look upon Him because if we do we will die. That is why He
sent His son to die for us. He is the go between for us and God.

You could stand directly before god and see him not.

His grace and glory would blind you yet his love protects you so of him
you see but the cloak of his glory and not the blinding infinate
brilliance of his being.

He is the seen and the unseen within every part of the universe
including that small part that is you. Because he is within you there
is no need to go to him or come to him he is allways with you.

do not get us wrong we are not trying to judge you just trying to show
you that withoout christ all anyone is headed is hell
we want to see you all in heaven so does jesus especially jesus he died
for us all all you have to do is cry out to him

sure seems like you're judging.....try teaching love and acceptance
instead of fear

Do not get me wrong.

I do not quake in fear and hide within the rock.

If all you can see of jesus is the prison made for you by those who
built churches in his name.

Then peace be unto you and happiness find you within that small box.

If you but open your eyes to his message and step with bold steps to the
world he has prepared for you heaven is yours in this life and a greater
world is yours in the next.

i am only showing you all that jesus is the only way seen so call
christians in the rot in hell say you do not need jesus to go to heaven
he is the only way
if you seen my testimony adventure you would realize i am not in any
self made prison anymore i been set free by jesus
by the way you can see my testimoy of all the miracles jesus done in my
life on the internet

Spider I was born free by the breath of the holy spirit.

I have lived free by the glory of god.

When I again pass the veil I will be free in a way you perhaps can not
imagine.

AdventureBegins,

I will ask the same thing I asked of DifferentKindOfWench. Would you
read the Book of John and the three synoptic gospels? If you already
have, would you do it again? You can find them online or you can buy a
copy of the KJV bible for around $5.00.

The books I would suggest you read would be John, Matthew, Mark and
finally Luke. All of the books overlap to some degree, but they each
have different details to be learned from.

You can also go to:http://bibleresources.bible.com/bible_niv.php

It's one of the best Bible resources online.

I'm gald that I am going to hell..Looks like the only place left without
fanatics..

p.s. I'll say hello to GWB for you...

wonderman u r being so close minded.
That is not the Jesus I know.
The Jesus I know is more tolerant, and He loves everybody.
And by the way even you are a sinner, and still you see yourself in
heaven next to Jesus.

TLW

walker he does love everyone but only the ones whom ask him o become
thier savior goes to heaven if you read the bible you would know that
john 3;16 for god so love te world that he gave his only begotten son
that whoever beleveth that is the key word believeth shall have
everllasting life the key word is believeth

to

Sin is a condition within, I'll commit it anyway. Jesus does not measure
my acts, He measures my heart.
He understands my human condition, and I'll be saved by Him.
The thieve next to Jesus in the cross was saved at the last minute. I
don't what hapenned with the other one.
The only thing I Know we need not to think in Jesus as an individual who
send some people to heaven, and other people to hell. For me that is
fanatism.
I think of Jesus as the path that I have to walk to get to my Father.

i never once said anything bout someone sins being worst than mine whoa
what we were talking bout was how do we get to heaven and accepting
jesus as our savior is the only way

I partially agree with Adventure. Jesus didnt free "me", nor "you" - he
only completed the Law. The JEWS were freed from the Law of Sin (as
expressed by Paul in Romans and Galatians).

I disagree w/ Adventure on a small point: There is no free-will. All the
events that lead to the birth of Jesus - from the meetings of Mary's
Great-Grandparents and all the events that lead to his birth being a
fullfillment - each action was all in the grand scheme of things. And
projecting forward, there is nothing any of us can do to alter the
moment that Jesus returns - so there is no freewill.

And I strongly agree with his statement "One cannot give another what
they all ready possess." Freedom, Forgiveness, Life - these are OURS,
and we have the power to GIVE them. These are the divine gifts that
elevate us above the angels.

spider you have stated that the holy spirit moves you.

Why then would you think that it cannot move another?

I need not Christ to be in the presence of God. God is all things in
this world and the next and in the worlds beyond. All that you see,
feel, touch, breath and interact with is God.

He is in you as he is in all things.

Why then would you need to go through another person to be with him.
Take a deep breath, God breaths with you. Look upon the world, God sees
through your eyes, is what you see, feels what you feel and sees you as
you are.

ADVenture only through the son can we enter heaven jesus told this to
the pharsies remenber jesus is really the son of god

I agree with Adventure and Wonderman because Jesus was also called
Immanuel. "God [is] with us" consisting of two Hebrew words: אל (El,
meaning God) and עמנו (Immanu, meaning with us) Isaiah 7:14 Isaiah 8:8
Matthew 1:23 Emmanuel is also one of the names used for Christ.

Why?

Why after all the posts you have posted would you think your words can
move me to step backwards upon my path.

I have no need of salvation. I have attained the most great presence.

I have said it before why would I bend knee to the son when the father
is the source.