Topic: Bend over, America
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Sat 05/02/09 02:04 PM
Bend over, America and get ready for the largest tax increase in history… the cap and trade scheme.
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=19801

By staxbrix | April 30, 2009

Cap and Trade’s $3,900 per Family per Year Price Tag….
While we’re being distracted by Obama’s personal jet flying low over NYC, bringing back nightmares from that MOSSAD/CIA false-flag and being shown pics from around the world of people wearing masks to protect them from swine flu, our corrupt Congress is pushing to pass the cap and trade scheme, which will put a never ending tax on our backs that keeps doubling each year until some vague goal is met.

The Empire’s 24/7 news channels are on point, reporting on the man-made swine flu nonstop from around the globe, seeding fear and confusion into your brains, while nary a peep is heard from any reporter on the floor of Congress that’s debating this huge tax increase.

Wall Street must be drooling over the amount of money this is going to generate, a significant amount which that bunch of gangsters will make disappear offshore, devising another of their “Three Card Monte” games to make the money vanish.

At least 650 BILLION a year will be taken from our pockets to fund this “green-collar” bubble

Here’s part of an interview on Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now” about this Wall Street fantasy. Amy’s talking with Arun Gupta of The Independent:

And there’s a lot of talk now also about a green-collar economy. I think that’s very important, but one of the reasons that it’s important to ban derivative trading is the investment banks are salivating over a green-collar economy, and that needs to be explained why, because they are—have set up trading desks. It’s estimated that carbon trading, the idea of trading in pollution rights, in ten years will be larger than all energy markets combined. So they’re looking to make a killing off of it. They’ll create derivative instruments, and this will just create another bubble. So we need to be now thinking about clearly exactly what to do to put in progressive ideas and to prevent this disaster from happening again.
http://waronyou.com/topics/bend-over-america-and-get-ready-for-the-largest-tax-increase-in-history-the-cap-and-trade-scheme/

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Sat 05/02/09 02:24 PM
Greed and Power= Control...............This is exactly what these clown's thrive on.........As long as this country has individuals thinking of themselves and not thinking of the freedoms that are being lost everyday, your money being stolen, your life being totally stripped away, they will get it.........
2012 will be the year for Independents to shine bright for America..This two party system is so dead,lazy,dishonest,arrogant, you name it, they are it.........(ALL OF THEM)...........rant explode frustrated

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Sat 05/02/09 03:34 PM
This is what I read when I looked it up, what exactly is your problem with it? Curious..

Cap and Trade 101
What Is Cap and Trade, and How Can We Implement It Successfully?

What is Cap and Trade?
The goal: To steadily reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions economy-wide in a cost-effective manner.

The cap: Each large-scale emitter, or company, will have a limit on the amount of greenhouse gas that it can emit. The firm must have an “emissions permit” for every ton of carbon dioxide it releases into the atmosphere. These permits set an enforceable limit, or cap, on the amount of greenhouse gas pollution that the company is allowed to emit. Over time, the limits become stricter, allowing less and less pollution, until the ultimate reduction goal is met. This is similar to the cap and trade program enacted by the Clean Air Act of 1990, which reduced the sulfur emissions that cause acid rain, and it met the goals at a much lower cost than industry or government predicted.

The trade: It will be relatively cheaper or easier for some companies to reduce their emissions below their required limit than others. These more efficient companies, who emit less than their allowance, can sell their extra permits to companies that are not able to make reductions as easily. This creates a system that guarantees a set level of overall reductions, while rewarding the most efficient companies and ensuring that the cap can be met at the lowest possible cost to the economy.

The profits: If the federal government auctions the emissions permits to the companies required to reduce their emissions, it would create a large and dependable revenue stream. These financial resources could be used to achieve critical public policy objectives related to climate change mitigation and economic development. The federal government can also choose to “grandfather” allowances to the polluting firms by handing them out free based on historic or projected emissions. This would give the most benefits to those companies with higher baseline emissions that have historically done the least to reduce their pollution.

What Would a Successful Cap-and-Trade Program Look Like?
The goal: To limit the rise in global temperature to approximately 2.0 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels by 2050 by reducing carbon dioxide and other emissions from companies as part of a larger plan for curbing global warming.

The cap: To achieve this goal, the U.S. government should steadily tighten the cap until emissions are reduced to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Businesses would have to obtain permits entitling them to emit a certain quantity of carbon dioxide or its equivalent in other greenhouse gases. All permits would be auctioned off by the government. Emissions permits in the near term would likely fall in the range of $10 to $15 per metric ton of carbon dioxide or its equivalent.

The trade: Companies unable to meet their emissions quotas could purchase allowances from other companies that have acquired more permits than they need to account for their emissions. The cost of buying and selling these credits would be determined by the marketplace, which over time would reduce the cost of trading the credits as trading becomes more widespread and efficient.

The profits: Initial estimates by the Congressional Budget Office project that an economy-wide cap-and-trade program would generate at least $50 billion per year, but could reach up to $300 billion. Approximately 10 percent of this revenue should be allocated to help offset costs to businesses and shareholders of affected industries. Of the remaining revenue, approximately half should be devoted to help offset any energy price increases for low- and middle-income Americans that may occur as a result of the transition to more efficient energy sources. The other half of the remaining revenue should be used to invest in renewable energy, efficiency, low-carbon transportation technologies, green-collar job training, and the transition to a low-carbon economy. Some resources should also be invested in the energy, environment, and infrastructure sectors in developing nations to alleviate energy poverty with low-carbon energy systems and help these nations adapt to the inevitable effects of global warming. Revenues from the permit auction would essentially be “recycled” back into the economy to facilitate the transition to an efficient, low-carbon energy economy and ensure that consumers are not unduly burdened by potentially higher energy costs.

Article found here: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/01/capandtrade101.html

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Sat 05/02/09 03:41 PM
http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=38728

Carbon Caps = Hard Hats/Jobs

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Sat 05/02/09 03:42 PM
I just received information brochure from my electric co op that cap and trade legislation in it's current form being considered by Congress would raise customer bills in the Se United States by 40 %.

Cap and trade is a consumer tax. And the real question is what will the government do with the money they collect? Will it all go back into developing better supply and transmission lines for example or be diverted to say social programs.

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Sat 05/02/09 03:47 PM
Don't think the average joe is going to be left out here.There is already talk about taxing houses on how much carbon they emit.They also are pushing for taxing by the mile when you drive a car.

The end is near!Live it up while you can.

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Sat 05/02/09 03:55 PM
The end in not near.laugh

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Sat 05/02/09 04:02 PM

I just received information brochure from my electric co op that cap and trade legislation in it's current form being considered by Congress would raise customer bills in the Se United States by 40 %.

Cap and trade is a consumer tax. And the real question is what will the government do with the money they collect? Will it all go back into developing better supply and transmission lines for example or be diverted to say social programs.


Upon further reading, the brochure states:

Wind
According to the U.S. Department of Energy, not all areas are suitable for wind energy development, and after measuring the potential wind energy resources of areas across the United States; the Southeast was deemed “marginal” to “unsuitable” for utility-scale wind energy development many times. Wind is not available when it is needed, and wind energy cannot be effectively stored using today’s technology. Though the Southeast is not well suited for wind power, we look for opportunities to participate in wind power projects in other areas of the country.

Solar
Advances in technology have made solar energy an option in some areas of our state. However, it may seem that sunlight is plentiful in the Southeast, it is not intense enough to make up for the lack of solar panel efficiency in most applications. While there are some solar projects onlie or in development, this resource is limited in the Southeast.

This is the position of my electric co op. Electric co op are not for profit electricity providers.


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Sat 05/02/09 04:02 PM

The end in not near.laugh

Nice to see someone can afford the extra taxes.
More power to ya', if you have to blow.
My energy co. is Green Mountain Energy. Wind no emissions.

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Sat 05/02/09 04:06 PM
Edited by Thomas3474 on Sat 05/02/09 04:08 PM
I have been following this carbon tax/cap and trade for some time.I would have to say it is the most radical bill the United states has ever seen.Private companies could see their taxes increase by staggering amounts.This bill would accomplish two things.Tax the companies to death or cause the companies to pass the tax to the consumer.Either way it is going to sink the American economy.This enviromental BS is going way to far.This is nothing wrong with this world and it will keep going regardless of what we do to it.This bill is nothing more than a excuse to grab truck loads of cash for no reason other than fear and power grab.

Anyone wanna bet every sponser of this bill is a Democrat?


Perhaps this is part of Obamas master plan.He has control of the auto makers,the banks,the insurance companies.Now he is going to tax the power companies into bankrupcy and take them over.Nice one!

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Sat 05/02/09 04:06 PM


The end in not near.laugh

Nice to see someone can afford the extra taxes.
More power to ya', if you have to blow.
My energy co. is Green Mountain Energy. Wind no emissions.


What does that have to do with, "The end is not near"?

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Sat 05/02/09 04:07 PM


I just received information brochure from my electric co op that cap and trade legislation in it's current form being considered by Congress would raise customer bills in the Se United States by 40 %.

Cap and trade is a consumer tax. And the real question is what will the government do with the money they collect? Will it all go back into developing better supply and transmission lines for example or be diverted to say social programs.


Upon further reading, the brochure states:

Wind
According to the U.S. Department of Energy, not all areas are suitable for wind energy development, and after measuring the potential wind energy resources of areas across the United States; the Southeast was deemed “marginal” to “unsuitable” for utility-scale wind energy development many times. Wind is not available when it is needed, and wind energy cannot be effectively stored using today’s technology. Though the Southeast is not well suited for wind power, we look for opportunities to participate in wind power projects in other areas of the country.

Solar
Advances in technology have made solar energy an option in some areas of our state. However, it may seem that sunlight is plentiful in the Southeast, it is not intense enough to make up for the lack of solar panel efficiency in most applications. While there are some solar projects onlie or in development, this resource is limited in the Southeast.

This is the position of my electric co op. Electric co op are not for profit electricity providers.




conclusion of co op:

In the Southeast, biomass has the greatest renewable energy generation potential. Wind in our region is marginal, at best, and it is not a practical source of large-scale generation. Solar power is expensive for our area, and we lack the direct sunlight required to truly benefit from this resource. Additionally, most hydropower resources are fully mature, and geothermal resources for power generation are concentrated in the western United States.
Do Not Let the West Coast Dictate What Will Work For Our Region

It is necessary that Congressional representatives from the Southeast understand that there are regional differences in renewable energy resources. Many of the current Congressional leadership is from the West Coast. Our elected officials cannot let Congressional leaders from one area of the country dictate the provisions of any energy policy legislation to all others.

Let your policy makers know that you are concerned about the regional differences of renewable energy by calling 1-877-40BALANCE.

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Sat 05/02/09 04:41 PM

Don't think the average joe is going to be left out here.There is already talk about taxing houses on how much carbon they emit.They also are pushing for taxing by the mile when you drive a car.

The end is near!Live it up while you can.



laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Sun 05/03/09 09:02 AM
Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant! You exhale it. NO proof exists that would classify it as a pollutant.It has been argued that more CO2 gas is released into the atmosphere by 1 volcano than all of the cars on the planet since the car's invention.

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Sun 05/03/09 09:09 AM

Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant! You exhale it. NO proof exists that would classify it as a pollutant.It has been argued that more CO2 gas is released into the atmosphere by 1 volcano than all of the cars on the planet since the car's invention.



The ocean and plants absorb more CO2 than we could ever create and they thrive on it!

Pollution is the problem! Corporate "waste products" that is not being addressed or properly controlled thru legislation of strict fines and penalties!

Corporations control the government, so that will never be addressed properly, so let's blame it on the people so we can impose more unjust taxes by making them feel like the guilty party.

Enter cap and trade!

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Mon 05/04/09 07:22 AM

Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant! You exhale it. NO proof exists that would classify it as a pollutant.It has been argued that more CO2 gas is released into the atmosphere by 1 volcano than all of the cars on the planet since the car's invention.



By the way, when we cap our emissions, whats stopping these business from simply moving off to the third world where there won't be any retarded cap and trade? By the way, who stands to make the most money off of cap and trade?

Do the research.

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Mon 05/04/09 07:24 AM


Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant! You exhale it. NO proof exists that would classify it as a pollutant.It has been argued that more CO2 gas is released into the atmosphere by 1 volcano than all of the cars on the planet since the car's invention.



By the way, when we cap our emissions, whats stopping these business from simply moving off to the third world where there won't be any retarded cap and trade? By the way, who stands to make the most money off of cap and trade?

Do the research.


some just do not get it war

drinker drinker drinker

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Mon 05/04/09 08:47 AM



Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant! You exhale it. NO proof exists that would classify it as a pollutant.It has been argued that more CO2 gas is released into the atmosphere by 1 volcano than all of the cars on the planet since the car's invention.



By the way, when we cap our emissions, whats stopping these business from simply moving off to the third world where there won't be any retarded cap and trade? By the way, who stands to make the most money off of cap and trade?

Do the research.


some just do not get it war

drinker drinker drinker


By the way, when we cap our emissions, whats stopping these business from simply moving off to the third world where there won't be any retarded cap and trade? By the way, who stands to make the most money off of cap and trade?

A big Amen to that truth!:thumbsup: