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Thu 04/30/09 09:46 PM
So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:49 PM

So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.


Why are the workers not compitent to help lead their own company?

Are all workers ignorant? Are all workers too greedy to make sound decisions? If all of this is true then no American is fit to contribute their imput into how this country is running, right?

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Thu 04/30/09 09:54 PM


So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.


Why are the workers not compitent to help lead their own company?

Are all workers ignorant? Are all workers too greedy to make sound decisions? If all of this is true then no American is fit to contribute their imput into how this country is running, right?


Ideally no, but a big part of the downfall of the American auto industry is the fault of the UAW. I'm not against unions, but sometimes they too can be become too greedy.

mark5222's photo
Thu 04/30/09 10:00 PM
yes unions have proven its all about them.the american public is not far behind

AndrewAV's photo
Thu 04/30/09 10:03 PM


So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.


Why are the workers not compitent to help lead their own company?

Are all workers ignorant? Are all workers too greedy to make sound decisions? If all of this is true then no American is fit to contribute their imput into how this country is running, right?


Yes. Greed makes capitalism work. However, greed on every side pulling at the pot keeps the pot as centered as possible. If the UAW controls the entire company from top to bottom, there is no longer that balance. Greed will follow and they'll take every last bit they can out of that company.

not everyone is qualified to do every job. That is why some pay more than others. Can you perform bypass surgery? I know I sure as hell can't, so I stay the hell out of the OR. The average UAW worker has no college education, let alone any real corporate experience. There's a reason the CEO makes so much and it's not just because of greed. You don't get there overnight.

input is one thing, unabated control is another.

Winx's photo
Thu 04/30/09 10:06 PM
There's a Chrysler plant in St. Louis County - over 5,000 employees.

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:11 AM
Edited by adj4u on Fri 05/01/09 05:14 AM

So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.



will NEVER again be largely profitable.

why is this a bad thing (if it comes to be)

after all how profitable is it now

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besides if the uaw has major share and sees first hand that the union demands are over reaching and hurting the company maybe it will be less demanding

after all union members do not own the union they merely are members(workers) for/of the union




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Fri 05/01/09 05:35 AM
but first they have to pay back the tax payers the billions they just squandered, yes?

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:39 AM

but first they have to pay back the tax payers the billions they just squandered, yes?


could you give examples plz with links to follow up with

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:48 AM
example of what?

I am not certain what you are asking?

Nothing has been decided until the bankruptcy hearing ...

but the money was not a gift it was a loan.....supposedly



but first they have to pay back the tax payers the billions they just squandered, yes?


could you give examples plz with links to follow up with

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:50 AM
of the taxpayer money chrysler squandered

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:02 AM
underwriting Hollywood movies with bail out money....like the next Terminator .......

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:07 AM
link plz

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:44 AM
here is a link that might help you


http://www.internet4classrooms.com/search.htm

and another

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/TeachingLib/Guides/Internet/FindInfo.html

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:53 AM
so obviously you have no related link to your claim

if one makes a claim it is expected that they can back that claim up with evidence their claim is legit

not show how someone can find info on said claim themselves


be well

and

may much good come to you and yours


no photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:54 AM
your bias is showing


so obviously you have no related link to your claim

if one makes a claim it is expected that they can back that claim up with evidence their claim is legit

not show how someone can find info on said claim themselves


be well

and

may much good come to you and yours



Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:56 AM



So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.


Why are the workers not compitent to help lead their own company?

Are all workers ignorant? Are all workers too greedy to make sound decisions? If all of this is true then no American is fit to contribute their imput into how this country is running, right?


Ideally no, but a big part of the downfall of the American auto industry is the fault of the UAW. I'm not against unions, but sometimes they too can be become too greedy.


BS!
You've just been brainwashed by those intending to push globalization on Americans!

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:59 AM

your bias is showing


so obviously you have no related link to your claim

if one makes a claim it is expected that they can back that claim up with evidence their claim is legit

not show how someone can find info on said claim themselves


be well

and

may much good come to you and yours






laugh laugh laugh laugh

ya think

your refusal to have info to back your claims is defiantly showing




Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:59 AM
Dont feel bad though a whole generation or two was brainwashed the same way!

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Fri 05/01/09 07:01 AM
if you are incapable or unwilling to "fact check" it does not matter ....

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